Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I can't remember in which thread I predicted it but here it is:
Two US senators have proposed a plan to offer visas for foreigners buying homes worth $500,000 or more.

Democrat Chuck Schumer and Republican Mike Lee, sponsoring a bill, say it is a move to increase housing demand.

The proposal is similar to an existing Green Card program for foreigners who invest at least $500,000 in an American business that creates at least 10 jobs.

The US Chamber of Commerce has announced its support for the new legislation proposal.

"Our housing market will never begin a true recovery as long as our housing stock so greatly exceeds demand. This is not a cure-all, but it could be part of the solution," said Mr Schumer, a Democrat from New York.

Mr Lee, a Republican from Utah, described the bill as a "free market method for increasing demand for housing".

The proposal would provide a three-year residential visa for foreign owners.

Prospective buyers would need to spend at least $250,000 on one property that would serve as their primary residence, and could make up the $500,000 requirement with additional rental properties.

To qualify for the visa, however, the purchases must be in cash, and the owners would have to reside at the primary residences for 180 days out of the year.

They would also have to apply for a separate work visa in order to be employed in the US, and would not be eligible for government aid programs.

"The bill does not limit people from being productive," Mr Schumer said. "It simply prevents them from coming here and taking jobs that otherwise would go to Americans."

The idea has also been supported by billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

"If you wanted to change your immigration policy so that you let 500,000 families in but they have to have a significant net worth and everything, you'd solve things very quickly," Mr Buffett told PBS's Charlie Rose in August.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15406776
I guess the 'free-market' needs a bit of govt help now and then
To overcome protectionist immigration policies? Umm, ok.
Countries just don't like poor immigrants you know that jay you can pretty much buy a retirement visa for aussie.
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Macbeth
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It would also be nice if we gave work visas to foreign students who complete school here. Sending them back overseas after they finish an engineering or other science degree is just dumb.
Cybargs
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Macbeth wrote:

It would also be nice if we gave work visas to foreign students who complete school here.
Yes they do, it's called an H1B visa. You join everyone else in the visa line.
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Macbeth
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Do I really have to explain why the getting in line with everyone else doesn't solve the problem of people leaving.

It would be great if the degree gets them an instant work visa instead of having to wait, get sponsors, etc.
Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

It would also be nice if we gave work visas to foreign students who complete school here. Sending them back overseas after they finish an engineering or other science degree is just dumb.
I agree.
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Cybargs
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Macbeth wrote:

Do I really have to explain why the getting in line with everyone else doesn't solve the problem of people leaving.

It would be great if the degree gets them an instant work visa instead of having to wait, get sponsors, etc.
From my friends on visas in the states, they get to stay up to 6 months getting a job till they get booted.
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Dilbert_X
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Jay wrote:

To overcome protectionist immigration policies? Umm, ok.
No, to solve the collapsed housing market.
Fuck Israel
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

To overcome protectionist immigration policies? Umm, ok.
No, to solve the collapsed housing market.
Australia should do the same except we'd have way too many Chinese round here. Rise of housing market is due to a lot of funds slushing from CCP members.
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Business owners can buy their way in, thats about it I think.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/business … bility.htm

It used to be far easier.
Fuck Israel
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Business owners can buy their way in, thats about it I think.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/business … bility.htm

It used to be far easier.
Thing is CCP members aren't supposed to be engaged in business Supposedly lol.

US has perm res where you need to invest at least 500k/1mil USD and upstart a business.

http://usimmigration.visapro.com/EB5.asp
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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

To overcome protectionist immigration policies? Umm, ok.
No, to solve the collapsed housing market.
They need to let the market bottom and clear, not find new ways to artificially prop it up.
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Amazon Profit Plunges; Shares Tumble

From http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-2 … umble.html :

Bloomberg wrote:

Amazon.com Inc., the world’s largest Internet retailer, reported a plunge in third-quarter profit after it ramped up spending on new products such as the Kindle Fire tablet. The shares tumbled 19 percent in late trading.

Net income fell 73 percent to $63 million, or 14 cents a share, from $231 million, or 51 cents, a year earlier, the Seattle-based company said today in a statement. That missed the 24 cents predicted by analysts, according to Bloomberg data. Amazon also said it may post an operating loss this quarter.
[...]

The company also is suffering from soaring shipping expenses, he said. One reason: a rise in customers using Amazon’s Prime program, which offers unlimited two-day shipping for $79 a year.
I've saved a ton with Amazon Prime on quick shipping (if you can call spending anything at all "saving"), so I wouldn't mind paying a bit more than that a year for Prime service. But I'd like to see an increased amount of free HD streaming for Prime customers if they were to do so.
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From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
13urnzz
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i agree. the problem is proliferation, when nuclear materials are available to more than just the 'cold war superpowers'.
FEOS
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Commie Killer wrote:

From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?
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FEOS wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?
Did you notice that we still have missiles pointed at eachother?
Commie Killer
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13urnzz wrote:

i agree. the problem is proliferation, when nuclear materials are available to more than just the 'cold war superpowers'.
See this is what I don't understand. How the hell can you feel its ok for the US and the Russians to have missiles pointed at each other. Everyone fucks up eventually.
FEOS
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Commie Killer wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:


From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?
Did you notice that we still have missiles pointed at eachother?
Actually, we don't. Those missiles are targeted as required...they're pointed straight up.

And even if we did...it still wouldn't support your argument. It would support mine.
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Cybargs
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FEOS wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
So you're saying MAD didn't work?

Did we have a nuclear war and we just missed it?
Not nuking everyone was the Nash Equilibrium of MAD.
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Jay
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Commie Killer wrote:

From the article: "The B53's disassembly ends the era of big megaton bombs, he said. The bombs' size helped compensate for their lack of accuracy. Today's bombs are smaller but more precise, reducing the amount of collateral damage, Kristensen said."

Right. So now we can only take out a large city in one hit, not a huge city. Much less collateral damage. Fucking morons.

How the fuck did we end up so brainwashed as to think that MAD is actually a sane concept to live by?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you and your neighbor are both pointing guns at each others heads does not mean you are safe. You're assuming people, in this case governments, are rational, unemotional, well-informed, and infallible. What happens when he stumbles. Does he pull the trigger going down?
Has there been a war between nuclear powers? No? Ok, then I guess it works then eh?
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-Frederick Bastiat
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It just meant you ended up fighting proxy wars. Like Vietnam.
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Cybargs
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AussieReaper wrote:

It just meant you ended up fighting proxy wars. Like Vietnam.
Better than not nuking each other I suppose.
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Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

It just meant you ended up fighting proxy wars. Like Vietnam.
Better than what a direct war would've looked like. 58,220 US soldiers died in Vietnam. In the grand scheme of things, that's a very small amount. We had 89,500 casualties alone at the Battle of the Bulge during WWII. A single battle. Russia lost millions during the war. A direct battle between Russia and NATO would've made WWII casualty rates seem pitiful by comparison.

Last edited by Jay (2011-10-25 20:36:03)

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