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2011-08-20 06:13:34
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Wars started by Obama - 0

Torture Camps opened by Obama - 0
Financial collapses triggered by Obama - 0
AQ attacks on America on Obama's watch - 0
Number of opportunities to kill Bin Laden missed - 0

Seems sound to me, better than the last guy at least.
Libya much?

He seems to think Gitmo turned out to be a good idea after the fact...

There weren't any triggered by Bush, either...

Blaming one person for another's actions?

You have no idea how many opportunities Obama might have missed or how many Bush did or didn't.


As stated...go find another bridge.
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2011-08-20 06:17:32
Dilbert_X
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America has ground troops invading Libya and carting people off to torture camps?
This I didn't know.
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2011-08-20 06:25:10
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

America has ground troops invading Libya and carting people off to torture camps?
This I didn't know.
Oh, I didn't realize that was required for something to be called a "war." you'd better inform all the international lawyers out there.

Pretty sure Daffy thinks he's in a war right now...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-20 06:52:43
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FEOS wrote:

Kmar wrote:

scary
Why?
I can't speak for Kmar but for me- social conservative with tough Texan cowboy persona. Someone with a socially liberal or moderate views with conservative economic beliefs and a not a walking cliche would be cool. A Huntsman would get my vote in a second. A Perry, Bachmann, Santorum? Hell no.
2011-08-20 07:04:28
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Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Kmar wrote:

scary
Why?
I can't speak for Kmar but for me- social conservative with tough Texan cowboy persona. Someone with a socially liberal or moderate views with conservative economic beliefs and a not a walking cliche would be cool. A Huntsman would get my vote in a second. A Perry, Bachmann, Santorum? Hell no.
Oh, I totally get that. That's what's going to kill him: the "optics". His record as a governor, though, is pretty damn good.

I can't say I disagree with your lineup. I think Huntsman needs more attention, but he won't get it. Santorum is portrayed as a nut job, but he's far from it, if you actually listen to him talk on issues. Yes, very conservative on certain social issues like abortion (don't agree with him there) but he's pretty libertarian on many others...as is Perry. Bachmann's a train wreck, a slightly more experienced Palin. I honestly don't see the draw there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-20 17:48:27
Macbeth
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His record as a governor, though, is pretty damn good.
When is your state's budget coming up? They do it every 2 years if I'm not mistaken. Didn't the last budget have something like a two billion shortfall that was filled in with stimulus money?

Anyway I liked this little snippet from the NYT about about Rick Perry's entrance into the race as well as a Chris Christie run
Moreover, serving as the budget-cutting Republican governor of a Democratic state is a far, far better preparation for what awaits the next president than either Perry’s small-government idyll or Romney’s permanent campaign. In his brief New Jersey tenure, Christie has accomplished more, against more determined opposition, amid more media scrutiny and with more resilient poll numbers than almost any Great Recession politician.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opini … s-cue.html
The rest of it's meh and to be taken with a grain of salt since it's NYT but I think that part is at least spot on.
2011-08-20 17:55:40
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Macbeth wrote:

His record as a governor, though, is pretty damn good.
When is your state's budget coming up? They do it every 2 years if I'm not mistaken. Didn't the last budget have something like a two billion shortfall that was filled in with stimulus money?
Just finished legislative session last month, and the budget was balanced with cuts. There was a rider in the stimulus bill specific to Texas to prevent us getting certain types of funds unless the state enacted certain legislation...so we didn't get that funding. Most here didn't want it, anyway: too many strings attached.

Macbeth wrote:

Anyway I liked this little snippet from the NYT about about Rick Perry's entrance into the race as well as a Chris Christie run
Moreover, serving as the budget-cutting Republican governor of a Democratic state is a far, far better preparation for what awaits the next president than either Perry’s small-government idyll or Romney’s permanent campaign. In his brief New Jersey tenure, Christie has accomplished more, against more determined opposition, amid more media scrutiny and with more resilient poll numbers than almost any Great Recession politician.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opini … s-cue.html
The rest of it's meh and to be taken with a grain of salt since it's NYT but I think that part is at least spot on.
Christie's a rock star. But he's not going to run, so it's wasted print.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-20 17:56:46
Macbeth
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ah that explains it.
2011-08-20 17:59:13
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Macbeth wrote:

ah that explains it.
But good on the NYT to point out that executive experience is somewhat important when you're going to be running the Executive Branch of our government.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-20 18:04:18
Macbeth
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Christie's a rock star. But he's not going to run, so it's wasted print.
I think he will run maybe in 2016 or later but not now of course. It was evident back when NY passed the same sex marriage law. NJ democrats as well as Republicans claimed they had the legislative votes to do that it only came down to Governor Christie whom remarked that there would be veto if it came to him.

If he passed such a law his standing with the social conservatives would evaporate. In NJ that wouldn't be a problem at all since they have next to nil power in this deep blue state but on the national scale they could swing a primary. A same sex marriage law might even help Christie in NJ since I think most democrats are very open to conservative economic policy. I could be projecting here but I think GOP social stances alienate a good chunk of people who could easily fall into a strong military, conservative economy camp.

So yeah, if NJ doesn't fall into the ocean I think he will run in 2016 or later.
2011-08-20 18:08:16
Jay
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GOP social stances are the single largest contributing factor to their failure to gain any sort of foothold in the northeast. Put down the bibles people, and you might just win an election. It's not like the south is going to suddenly turn blue. And even if it did, we have way more electoral votes.
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2011-08-20 21:03:26
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

America has ground troops invading Libya and carting people off to torture camps?
This I didn't know.
Oh, I didn't realize that was required for something to be called a "war." you'd better inform all the international lawyers out there.
US and NATO are barely involved, compared with two 10 year ground wars.
There is no real comparison.
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2011-08-21 06:30:07
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

America has ground troops invading Libya and carting people off to torture camps?
This I didn't know.
Oh, I didn't realize that was required for something to be called a "war." you'd better inform all the international lawyers out there.
US and NATO are barely involved, compared with two 10 year ground wars.
There is no real comparison.
Oh, so now that the illogic of your position has been pointed out, you backtrack to yet another illogical position? Libya isn't really a war "in comparison" to either Iraq or Afghanistan? Well, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are "really" wars "in comparison" to World War 2. in fact, neither were Korea or Vietnam. Glad we have you here to clarify for us that war is a comparative exercise.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-21 06:34:58
Dilbert_X
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We're comparing Bush and Obama. WW2, Korea and Vietnam are irrelevant.

Do Bush's two ground invasions each involving hundreds of thousands of ground troops over more than a decade really compare with a few air strikes in Libya over a few weeks?

I say they don't.
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2011-08-21 07:36:34
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War is war, Dilbert. Obama expanded Afghanistan and initiated hostilities in Libya, with no US interests at stake and the stated intent to topple the dictator in power there. Sound familiar?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-22 02:13:39
Dilbert_X
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How was Afghanistan 'expanded'? It was already ongoing, and badly.

Libya doesn't even begin to compare with Iraq and Afghanistan. There was no pre-existing popular uprising to support in either for a start.
You're clutching at straws.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-08-22 02:15:20)

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2011-08-22 03:34:09
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Dilbert_X wrote:

How was Afghanistan 'expanded'? It was already ongoing, and badly.
Implementing a surge in Afghanistan, for one. Expanding drone strikes in Pakistan, for another.

Maybe you should learn a bit about objectives and such, rather than just taking what's being fed to you by the media, who sell more copy if they report bad news, rather than good. It's not going "badly". Could it be going better? Of course. But that's primarily up to the Afghans, not the coalition.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Libya doesn't even begin to compare with Iraq and Afghanistan. There was no pre-existing popular uprising to support in either for a start.
You're clutching at straws.
You're saying Libya's not a war...and I'm the one clutching at straws?

You're saying wars are only wars by comparison...and I'm the one clutching at straws?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-22 05:18:16
Dilbert_X
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Then according to your logic Obama's deficit is exactly the same as Bush's deficit.
They're both deficits, the magnitude is irrelevant.
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2011-08-22 16:33:52
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War =/= deficit
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-23 02:17:27
Dilbert_X
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Latest Fox News quote:

"Teaching evolution is a way for the left to get at religious people"

Always gives me a laugh while I'm eating my toast and marmalade.
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2011-08-23 02:18:47
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

War =/= deficit
So as lowing would say, you're tap-dancing.

One set of logic for one subject, a wholly different set for another.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-08-23 02:19:29)

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2011-08-23 03:50:30
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

War =/= deficit
So as lowing would say, you're tap-dancing.

One set of logic for one subject, a wholly different set for another.
No. It's called critical thought. You look at every situation on its own merit. To say that you must apply the same argument to every single situation, regardless of context or content of the situation is ludicrous.

How am I the one tap-dancing? You are the one saying that Obama's deficits are justified, but that Bush's wars aren't, yet you are saying that war and deficits are the same and my logic is flawed. Which is it? Are they the same, or aren't they? If they are the same, then your logic is flawed. If they aren't, then my logic is sound.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-23 04:54:01
Dilbert_X
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No, you apply the same critical thought to each situation.

If, according to you, wars are wars and involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is exactly the same as a bystander role in Libya, but deficits aren't all the same - it does matter that Obama's deficit is larger than Bush's - even though the circumstances are very different - then clearly you're not applying critical thinking.
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2011-08-23 19:28:54
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Dilbert_X wrote:

No, you apply the same critical thought to each situation.

If, according to you, wars are wars and involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is exactly the same as a bystander role in Libya, but deficits aren't all the same - it does matter that Obama's deficit is larger than Bush's - even though the circumstances are very different - then clearly you're not applying critical thinking.
But we aren't in a bystander role in Libya.

So I guess that shoots your logic right in the ass.

Your move.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-08-24 01:23:55
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, you apply the same critical thought to each situation.

If, according to you, wars are wars and involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is exactly the same as a bystander role in Libya, but deficits aren't all the same - it does matter that Obama's deficit is larger than Bush's - even though the circumstances are very different - then clearly you're not applying critical thinking.
But we aren't in a bystander role in Libya.

So I guess that shoots your logic right in the ass.

Your move.
How many thousand ground troops does the the US have in Libya?
Is it 100,000?

Are any US troops actually fighting in Libya?
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