it's not a rumour, it's confirmed. it was in the news. the bullet was from a police gun.
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I doubt fire arms officers are so incompetent that they get in each others firing lines. Let alone miss the target completely that they ricochet.
Link please uzique.
Link please uzique.
Last edited by Vilham (2011-08-08 14:52:03)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 … ndon-burnsVilham wrote:
I doubt fire arms officers are so incompetent that they get in each others firing lines. Let alone miss the target completely that they ricochet.
Link please uzique.
"get real vilham".Doubts have emerged over whether Mark Duggan, whose death at the hands of police sparked the weekend's Tottenham riots, was killed during an exchange of fire .
The Guardian understands that initial ballistics tests on a bullet, found lodged in a police radio worn by an officer during Thursday's incident, suggested it was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by Duggan.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ndon-riots
sums up what i've been trying to say quite eloquently. "people are pissed off". this is why. it's more than just a drug dealer getting shot.Since the coalition came to power just over a year ago, the country has seen multiple student protests, occupations of dozens of universities, several strikes, a half-a-million-strong trade union march and now unrest on the streets of the capital (preceded by clashes with Bristol police in Stokes Croft earlier in the year). Each of these events was sparked by a different cause, yet all take place against a backdrop of brutal cuts and enforced austerity measures. The government knows very well that it is taking a gamble, and that its policies run the risk of sparking mass unrest on a scale we haven't seen since the early 1980s. With people taking to the streets of Tottenham, Edmonton, Brixton and elsewhere over the past few nights, we could be about to see the government enter a sustained and serious losing streak.
The policies of the past year may have clarified the division between the entitled and the dispossessed in extreme terms, but the context for social unrest cuts much deeper. The fatal shooting of Mark Duggan last Thursday, where it appears, contrary to initial accounts, that only police bullets were fired, is another tragic event in a longer history of the Metropolitan police's treatment of ordinary Londoners, especially those from black and minority ethnic backgrounds, and the singling out of specific areas and individuals for monitoring, stop and search and daily harassment.
One journalist wrote that he was surprised how many people in Tottenham knew of and were critical of the IPCC, but there should be nothing surprising about this. When you look at the figures for deaths in police custody (at least 333 since 1998 and not a single conviction of any police officer for any of them), then the IPCC and the courts are seen by many, quite reasonably, to be protecting the police rather than the people.
Combine understandable suspicion of and resentment towards the police based on experience and memory with high poverty and large unemployment and the reasons why people are taking to the streets become clear. (Haringey, the borough that includes Tottenham, has the fourth highest level of child poverty in London and an unemployment rate of 8.8%, double the national average, with one vacancy for every 54 seeking work in the borough.)
Those condemning the events of the past couple of nights in north London and elsewhere would do well to take a step back and consider the bigger picture: a country in which the richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest, where consumerism predicated on personal debt has been pushed for years as the solution to a faltering economy, and where, according to the OECD, social mobility is worse than any other developed country.
As Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett point out in The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, phenomena usually described as "social problems" (crime, ill-health, imprisonment rates, mental illness) are far more common in unequal societies than ones with better economic distribution and less gap between the richest and the poorest. Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.
Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.
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you can't say with a straight face that equals confirmed though especially from the guardian
ed; @ your first post
ed; @ your first post
Last edited by FatherTed (2011-08-08 14:57:13)
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ipcc report coming back on that within 24 hours, ted. let's see.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … issue.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … issue.html
Mr Duggan’s death during a police operation on Thursday prompted riots on the streets of Tottenham on Saturday.
It was initially suggested that he died following an exchange of fire with police officers. A bullet was found lodged in a police-officer’s radio.
However initial forensic tests suggest that the bullet is a hollow-point round as used by the Metropolitan Police.
Last edited by Uzique (2011-08-08 15:01:23)
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i wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was a police round either, so don't take it as that. was merely pointing out that given a story involving guns and the police the guardian will be group masturbating in their offices right now
fwiw i read the guardian, times and bbc to try and keep a balance.
fwiw i read the guardian, times and bbc to try and keep a balance.
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why a small time drug dealer would have hollow point rounds... sounds like police-on-police incident to me. vilham's amazingly skilled specialist officers are not so skilled.
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yeah but you can't say it's confirmed when it's not, hence the rumour.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if it was true, but lets not get carried away with sensationalist reporting because a lot of people come to this site for current affairs! lel.
I wonder if they'll have a curfew 2moro?
I just saw a video on youtube, a journalist asking a woman why she was looting and rioting
"I'm getting my taxes back" was the answer. Fucking tard
I wouldnt be surprised at all if it was true, but lets not get carried away with sensationalist reporting because a lot of people come to this site for current affairs! lel.
I wonder if they'll have a curfew 2moro?
I just saw a video on youtube, a journalist asking a woman why she was looting and rioting
"I'm getting my taxes back" was the answer. Fucking tard
Incidentally, different kinds of ammunition are not hard to acquire in the states (but that's the states ).Uzique wrote:
why a small time drug dealer would have hollow point rounds... sounds like police-on-police incident to me. vilham's amazingly skilled specialist officers are not so skilled.
sounds like Los Angeles in the 90s tbh
"doubts" "understands" "suggested" yeah defo confirmed then uzique... I thought you studied the non subject called English?Uzique wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 … ndon-burnsVilham wrote:
I doubt fire arms officers are so incompetent that they get in each others firing lines. Let alone miss the target completely that they ricochet.
Link please uzique."get real vilham".Doubts have emerged over whether Mark Duggan, whose death at the hands of police sparked the weekend's Tottenham riots, was killed during an exchange of fire .
The Guardian understands that initial ballistics tests on a bullet, found lodged in a police radio worn by an officer during Thursday's incident, suggested it was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by Duggan.
lol "non-subject" n1 matey. where'd you graduate from again? oh yeah. i remembered the article wrongly from memory, my bad. my point is still the same though: it's looking like the bullet was a police-issue one.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ok now thats cute but seriously check that song by the dubliners
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Socialist faggotry. Your country is broke and yet this moron says that you should spend more money buying off the underclass so they don't riot. Yeah, it's the current governments fault that you were forced into austerity .Uzique wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-london-riotssums up what i've been trying to say quite eloquently. "people are pissed off". this is why. it's more than just a drug dealer getting shot.Since the coalition came to power just over a year ago, the country has seen multiple student protests, occupations of dozens of universities, several strikes, a half-a-million-strong trade union march and now unrest on the streets of the capital (preceded by clashes with Bristol police in Stokes Croft earlier in the year). Each of these events was sparked by a different cause, yet all take place against a backdrop of brutal cuts and enforced austerity measures. The government knows very well that it is taking a gamble, and that its policies run the risk of sparking mass unrest on a scale we haven't seen since the early 1980s. With people taking to the streets of Tottenham, Edmonton, Brixton and elsewhere over the past few nights, we could be about to see the government enter a sustained and serious losing streak.
The policies of the past year may have clarified the division between the entitled and the dispossessed in extreme terms, but the context for social unrest cuts much deeper. The fatal shooting of Mark Duggan last Thursday, where it appears, contrary to initial accounts, that only police bullets were fired, is another tragic event in a longer history of the Metropolitan police's treatment of ordinary Londoners, especially those from black and minority ethnic backgrounds, and the singling out of specific areas and individuals for monitoring, stop and search and daily harassment.
One journalist wrote that he was surprised how many people in Tottenham knew of and were critical of the IPCC, but there should be nothing surprising about this. When you look at the figures for deaths in police custody (at least 333 since 1998 and not a single conviction of any police officer for any of them), then the IPCC and the courts are seen by many, quite reasonably, to be protecting the police rather than the people.
Combine understandable suspicion of and resentment towards the police based on experience and memory with high poverty and large unemployment and the reasons why people are taking to the streets become clear. (Haringey, the borough that includes Tottenham, has the fourth highest level of child poverty in London and an unemployment rate of 8.8%, double the national average, with one vacancy for every 54 seeking work in the borough.)
Those condemning the events of the past couple of nights in north London and elsewhere would do well to take a step back and consider the bigger picture: a country in which the richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest, where consumerism predicated on personal debt has been pushed for years as the solution to a faltering economy, and where, according to the OECD, social mobility is worse than any other developed country.
As Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett point out in The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, phenomena usually described as "social problems" (crime, ill-health, imprisonment rates, mental illness) are far more common in unequal societies than ones with better economic distribution and less gap between the richest and the poorest. Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.
Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's so boring and slowFatherTed wrote:
ok now thats cute but seriously check that song by the dubliners
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
how it was meant to be played. and if you have any irish in you (as any american seems to love to proclaim ) check out 'Christy Moore'.Jay wrote:
It's so boring and slowFatherTed wrote:
ok now thats cute but seriously check that song by the dubliners
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Zero Irish in me but I'll drink a beer to ya on St. Paddy'sFatherTed wrote:
how it was meant to be played. and if you have any irish in you (as any american seems to love to proclaim ) check out 'Christy Moore'.Jay wrote:
It's so boring and slowFatherTed wrote:
ok now thats cute but seriously check that song by the dubliners
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ill drink maybe a few more (:
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Shall we begin now to beat the rush? Brb.FatherTed wrote:
ill drink maybe a few more (:
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
already on
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Oh look my ban expired...
Amazing scenes in London, been on the phone to my family and mates all day, just can't really believe what's going on. My parents moved house from North London to way North of London (Cuffley) just last week, how about that for timing.
Amazing scenes in London, been on the phone to my family and mates all day, just can't really believe what's going on. My parents moved house from North London to way North of London (Cuffley) just last week, how about that for timing.
I know fucking karate
were they banned from London?