http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes … ted_States11 Bravo wrote:
that doesnt add up, macbeth. we get taxed more than that for gas.
US Average 47.0c/gal Gasoline 51.4c/gal diesel
Airlines pay 4.4c/gal
Fuck Israel
US Average 47.0c/gal Gasoline 51.4c/gal diesel
Airlines pay 4.4c/gal
hmmm....wtf was i looking at then.
Anti tax propaganda more than likely.11 Bravo wrote:
hmmm....wtf was i looking at then.
Interesting fact: 27% of Exxon Mobile is owned by U.S. state pension programs.
No, there's only like $0.08 worth of tax on our gas (aside from corporate tax and sales tax that get passed on to us).11 Bravo wrote:
(US question)question about oil. lets assume the govt did not tax us for gas at all. so, basically the stations just get the gas from the big companies. would the cost of gas only be like 1.50 a gallon or something right now?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
At the current price of ~£500 / m2 for solar thermal panels thatll be a bargin at £45,000,000,000,000 upfront cost for construction with that much again to replace the panels in ~20 years plus any additional maintenance that will be required. Add to this the fact the you will have a huge number of bespoke / specially built parts to cope with the loads and distances and you arent looking at a very cheap option.Spark wrote:
Right so have fun building enough solar panels to cover ninety thousand square kilometres. Have fun maintaining it too.Dilbert_X wrote:
As I understand it 30km x 30km would meet Australia's energy needs, 300kmx300km the entire world. I'm sure we can spare that much desert.Spark wrote:
So which massive desert do you intend on covering with said solar-thermal (the claim of which "no exotic materials" are required interests me by the way. Those mirrors don't make themselves shiny)
Aluminium - thats a very exotic material. Isn't most of the earth's crust made of that?
Or £450,000,000,000 for the 900km2 array
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Well, to be fair, introducing a bunch of new oil to the market would naturally reduce the cost. Plus, it wouldn't have all of the costs of import on it.Macbeth wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
(US question)question about oil. lets assume the govt did not tax us for gas at all. so, basically the stations just get the gas from the big companies. would the cost of gas only be like 1.50 a gallon or something right now?Nope. Besides the market sets the price for oil so that whole "drill everywhere in the U.S." thing wouldn't make a difference either.Fuel taxes in the United States vary by state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8] For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L)
But yeah, it wouldn't be like 1.50 a gallon, even if America did start drilling and we abolished all taxes on oil, if for no other reason than inflation.
The thing is: there isn't enough oil in the U.S. to make the middle east irrelevant. Even if we tap everywhere in the U.S. most of the world's oil will still come from the middle east and the price will still spike every time something bad happens over there. So the whole "drill baby drill" and the "get rid of all gas taxes" ''solutions'' wouldn't bring down gas prices all that much.Blue Herring wrote:
Well, to be fair, introducing a bunch of new oil to the market would naturally reduce the cost. Plus, it wouldn't have all of the costs of import on it.Macbeth wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
(US question)question about oil. lets assume the govt did not tax us for gas at all. so, basically the stations just get the gas from the big companies. would the cost of gas only be like 1.50 a gallon or something right now?Nope. Besides the market sets the price for oil so that whole "drill everywhere in the U.S." thing wouldn't make a difference either.Fuel taxes in the United States vary by state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8] For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L)
But yeah, it wouldn't be like 1.50 a gallon, even if America did start drilling and we abolished all taxes on oil, if for no other reason than inflation.
I thought that was a finger at first. lol
Like someone was playing with the dog with it's finger in it's mouth.
Like someone was playing with the dog with it's finger in it's mouth.
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Kinda looks like Kmars dog.
It looks nothing at all like my dog.Macbeth wrote:
Kinda looks like Kmars dog.
He spammed it like 8 times. Don't understand it when people do that.
A. It's not like we haven't seen 1000'x's worse
B. It's gonna get deleted. Soon.
C. You're gone. Forever.
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I'm gone forever?
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Bye!
No. The bestiality posting Czech.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Not talking about photo-voltaic, try to keep up.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
At the current price of ~£500 / m2 for solar thermal panels thatll be a bargin at £45,000,000,000,000 upfront cost for construction with that much again to replace the panels in ~20 years plus any additional maintenance that will be required. Add to this the fact the you will have a huge number of bespoke / specially built parts to cope with the loads and distances and you arent looking at a very cheap option.Spark wrote:
Right so have fun building enough solar panels to cover ninety thousand square kilometres. Have fun maintaining it too.Dilbert_X wrote:
As I understand it 30km x 30km would meet Australia's energy needs, 300kmx300km the entire world. I'm sure we can spare that much desert.
Aluminium - thats a very exotic material. Isn't most of the earth's crust made of that?
Or £450,000,000,000 for the 900km2 array
Fuck Israel
Ah of course, thatll be 5p / m2 then 8-)Dilbert_X wrote:
Not talking about photo-voltaic, try to keep up.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
At the current price of ~£500 / m2 for solar thermal panels thatll be a bargin at £45,000,000,000,000 upfront cost for construction with that much again to replace the panels in ~20 years plus any additional maintenance that will be required. Add to this the fact the you will have a huge number of bespoke / specially built parts to cope with the loads and distances and you arent looking at a very cheap option.Spark wrote:
Right so have fun building enough solar panels to cover ninety thousand square kilometres. Have fun maintaining it too.
Or £450,000,000,000 for the 900km2 array
Point still stands.
There's more oil in the US than you think. The Atlantic Shelf is said to be a massive untapped oil field.Macbeth wrote:
The thing is: there isn't enough oil in the U.S. to make the middle east irrelevant. Even if we tap everywhere in the U.S. most of the world's oil will still come from the middle east and the price will still spike every time something bad happens over there. So the whole "drill baby drill" and the "get rid of all gas taxes" ''solutions'' wouldn't bring down gas prices all that much.Blue Herring wrote:
Well, to be fair, introducing a bunch of new oil to the market would naturally reduce the cost. Plus, it wouldn't have all of the costs of import on it.Macbeth wrote:
Nope. Besides the market sets the price for oil so that whole "drill everywhere in the U.S." thing wouldn't make a difference either.11 Bravo wrote:
(US question)question about oil. lets assume the govt did not tax us for gas at all. so, basically the stations just get the gas from the big companies. would the cost of gas only be like 1.50 a gallon or something right now?
But yeah, it wouldn't be like 1.50 a gallon, even if America did start drilling and we abolished all taxes on oil, if for no other reason than inflation.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Now do the figures for nuclear.
Fuck Israel
Is there any reason it remains untapped?Jay wrote:
There's more oil in the US than you think. The Atlantic Shelf is said to be a massive untapped oil field.Macbeth wrote:
The thing is: there isn't enough oil in the U.S. to make the middle east irrelevant. Even if we tap everywhere in the U.S. most of the world's oil will still come from the middle east and the price will still spike every time something bad happens over there. So the whole "drill baby drill" and the "get rid of all gas taxes" ''solutions'' wouldn't bring down gas prices all that much.Blue Herring wrote:
Well, to be fair, introducing a bunch of new oil to the market would naturally reduce the cost. Plus, it wouldn't have all of the costs of import on it.
But yeah, it wouldn't be like 1.50 a gallon, even if America did start drilling and we abolished all taxes on oil, if for no other reason than inflation.
hippies.Jaekus wrote:
Is there any reason it remains untapped?Jay wrote:
There's more oil in the US than you think. The Atlantic Shelf is said to be a massive untapped oil field.Macbeth wrote:
The thing is: there isn't enough oil in the U.S. to make the middle east irrelevant. Even if we tap everywhere in the U.S. most of the world's oil will still come from the middle east and the price will still spike every time something bad happens over there. So the whole "drill baby drill" and the "get rid of all gas taxes" ''solutions'' wouldn't bring down gas prices all that much.
Is that the official reason?
BP incident didn't help the cause of domestic offshore drilling lol.Jaekus wrote:
Is that the official reason?
Environmentalists.Jaekus wrote:
Is there any reason it remains untapped?Jay wrote:
There's more oil in the US than you think. The Atlantic Shelf is said to be a massive untapped oil field.Macbeth wrote:
The thing is: there isn't enough oil in the U.S. to make the middle east irrelevant. Even if we tap everywhere in the U.S. most of the world's oil will still come from the middle east and the price will still spike every time something bad happens over there. So the whole "drill baby drill" and the "get rid of all gas taxes" ''solutions'' wouldn't bring down gas prices all that much.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Fucking hate those bastards, make life miserable. Dishwasher detergent now sucks because of those fucking assholes.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Works for me.
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