BF2S Forums About Barry "No Longer The Impostor" Obama

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

-"Palin is more qualified than Obama."
-"How is she more qualified?"
-"Because I value her qualifications more than Obama's"
-"But that doesn't explain how she is more qualified? Why is she more qualified?"
-"Because I said so"

War Man wrote:

What makes Obama more qualified than Palin exactly?

lowing wrote:

Ty wrote:

lowing wrote:

what the article was saying is Palin, an average citizen has done great things for being so average... Obama a well above average citizen who was handed this life, hasn't accomplished anything with it, all he has done is ride a wave with no credentials backing his popularity

And what I'm saying is that Palin, an average citizen, has achieved average things for being so average while Obama, a well above average citizen, whether through his own merit or the merit of others is the President of the United fucking States. That article inflates her accomplishments in the same way it accuses Obama of embellishing his on the basis that she is completely unastounding. How is there any merit in this argument?

I love this myth that nothing can be handed to you and great men are those that achieve greatness on their own. Read Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' to see the absolute bullshit in all of this.

governor of a state, and vice president candidate are not average accomplishments, she worked for it.. Obama has no credentials to justify being president of a capitalist society. I mean since he never worked for a living in his life to build any.

Ty wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ty wrote:

And what I'm saying is that Palin, an average citizen, has achieved average things for being so average while Obama, a well above average citizen, whether through his own merit or the merit of others is the President of the United fucking States. That article inflates her accomplishments in the same way it accuses Obama of embellishing his on the basis that she is completely unastounding. How is there any merit in this argument?

I love this myth that nothing can be handed to you and great men are those that achieve greatness on their own. Read Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' to see the absolute bullshit in all of this.

governor of a state, and vice president candidate are not average accomplishments, she worked for it.. Obama has no credentials to justify being president of a capitalist society. I mean since he never worked for a living in his life to build any.

She attained political office in the same way Obama did and she was chosen as a vice presidential candidate because she differed from the "rich old white man" image that the Republican Party struggles with. During the campaign she proved how unsuitable she was for the role, there is more than enough evidence of this.  Even so even if her accomplishments are seen as extraordinary, why should the be considered moreso just because Palin is average? There's no evidence that she had to work any harder for them despite there seemingly being a belief that she did.

Let's see, you accuse Obama of inflating and even lying about his resume yet lets see how you've presented Palin. A business owner? C'mon Lowing let's put this in perspective here; she helped run her husband's fishing business. While there is valuable experience in this it hardly suggests that it gave her any great or even basic knowledge of the private sector. Her knowlege of politics comes from her being mayor of a small isolated town and then the Governor of Alaska for not quite three years. This is not the experience you want in someone holding one of the top and potentially the top office in the land. This despite her degree in journalism.

Obama? He he has had seven years in State Senate, three in the US Senate and before then his academic accomplishments speak for themselves. You do not graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law School by accident. Now certainly Obama's focus was not in the private sector shown by his work in community organisations, his teaching career and his work in civil rights and neighbourhood economic development. It should be mentioned that for some of this he was working in a small law firm while also noting that being a lawyer isn't just standing up in court and shouting 'objection!' You say he's never worked for a living so I don't know what you'd consider that. Look, his focus is clearly not in the private sector, you say this counts as him not having the credentials to run a capitalist society - no president is an expert in all things, they have their own areas of expertise and their own policies. Obama's background is in the public sector and considering his office is a public office how the Hell does this make him less qualified than someone who helped run a fishing business?

AussieReaper wrote:

War Man wrote:

What makes Obama more qualified than Palin exactly?

Well, Obama is the POTUS.

While Palin is not.

lowing wrote:

Ty wrote:

I looked into a couple of those articles Lowing posted. How slanted can you get? While I can see some points in Obama's potential versus his  achievements, to say that Palin overachieved because of her mediocre academic years reminds me of my old primary school where mediocrity was celebrated from those who were mediocre while smarter kids, (which would you believe included myself in those days,) were not celebrated due to fears that it would upset the slower kids. There's a culture of it here in New Zealand, we call it "tall poppy syndrome" where anyone thought to be overachieving is cut down to size while mediocrity is celebrated. There is nothing amazing about Palin being a councillor of a small Alaskan town, bored housewives become councillors. Her mayorality, sure it's a decent acheivement but let's not get carried away here, Wasilla has a population of just under eight thousand people. That first article only identifies one accomplishment of Palin's mayorality - lowering taxes by 40% which seems to be the only measure of success nowadays - and identifies nothing of her so-called 'distinguished' time as Governor which I see as absolutely unastounding. The reason this article puts these up as significant accomplishments is because of how average Palin was in her formative years. Fuck, you can almost understand why America would elect a C student President with that logic.

On Obama - I don't doubt that he has embellished his career and his resume - he's a showman and he's good with words. He can word a phrase to sound far more grand on paper than it ever was in real life while still maintaining the truth. I do it myself with my current job, (I call myself a "media writer" and let people draw their own conclusions about what that actually entails.) This can be seen with the most blatant example "Professor" Obama which I'm sure was more like lecturer Obama. The word 'professor' evokes images of a true scholar, a researcher, an expert in their field - what it means is just 'teacher'. In Europe and some other countries the word 'Professor' is a legal title bestowed on those who earn it. Not so in the US where professor describes anyone teaching at college levels regardless of rank. Again it seems dishonest because of people's own perceptions of what the word means but Professor Obama is entirely accurate.

Obama, I'm sure, is arrogant, I'm sure he has streaks of narcisism, he is not above game-playing and as 13rin seems to be focussing on for some reason, he's not above the occasional derp moment. He's a politician for Christ's sake, how is this not expected? A number of people have pointed out the juvenile nature of people like Trump and even Obama in this whole birth certificate thing; politics is juvenile. It's all a bunch of game playing, rarely are events determined by policy with most of the focus being on absolute inconsequential fluff like this.

what the article was saying is Palin, an average citizen has done great things for being so average... Obama a well above average citizen who was handed this life, hasn't accomplished anything with it, all he has done is ride a wave with no credentials backing his popularity

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

-"Palin is more qualified than Obama."
-"How is she more qualified?"
-"Because I value her qualifications more than Obama's"
-"But that doesn't explain how she is more qualified? Why is she more qualified?"
-"Because I said so"

11 Bravo wrote:

why the fuck are you tards arguing about palin?

lowing wrote:

Palin has practical experience in the private sector as well as a natural progression through politics. Obama is akin to being hired by the yankees straight from tee ball. He had no experience to base being a state senator on, and he wasn't even a US senator long enough to count before he ran for president and won... lets remember, Obama won on a campaign of "hope and change", he brought nothing to the table as tangible accomplishments that were put to any sort of use.

Ty wrote:

I don't know how this debate got to this point but that's just the way things go.

lowing wrote:

Palin has practical experience in the private sector as well as a natural progression through politics. Obama is akin to being hired by the yankees straight from tee ball. He had no experience to base being a state senator on, and he wasn't even a US senator long enough to count before he ran for president and won... lets remember, Obama won on a campaign of "hope and change", he brought nothing to the table as tangible accomplishments that were put to any sort of use.

What you call practical experience in the private sector I still call helping in her husband's fishing business. If you accuse Obama of this exaggeration-type behavior it doesn't strengthen your argument to do it yourself.

This "natural progression" thing you talk about... I don't know what you'd consider a natural progression. From fishwife to councillor to mayor to Governor to vice presidential candidate? I don't know how that's any less natural than from community worker to teacher to lawyer to state senator to US senator to presidential candidate to President. I don't have any figures but I'm willing to bet that most major politician's backgrounds are in the law and politics than journalism and small-town local Government.

What it sounds like to me, and I could be wrong in this, is that you object to Obama being offered fellowships and other such positions. The difference between someone being headhunted for a job and someone having to apply for one. I'm sorry to tell you that this is just the way the world works. Scholarships, fellowships, certain jobs, they are given to people based on the merits they have shown. There is no place where this is in evidence more than in politics in how parties choose their candidates. Obama was chosen by his party because he was an electable candidate as shown by his background in the law and politics - and his rhetoric, let's not forget that. Palin was chosen because her small-town charm and vagina offset McCain's rich old white man smell.

You're saying he had nothing to base being a state senator on. What about his fucking law and politics degrees for starters? Generally these are key areas to study if you fancy a political career, far moreso than journalism. Never mind his work as both a law teacher and civil rights attorney. Face it, you just value the private sector more than the public sector, even to the extent of holding a couple of years running a fishing boat above working in community organisations. But like I said before, the office of President is public office. Experience working in the public sector should not and can not be dismissed, it is vital to the job. Yes the private sector is important, especially in a place like the US but we're talking the head of state here not Chair of the Federal Reserve.

Last edited by lowing (2011-04-29 00:21:15)