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2011-04-23 01:46:30
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX
I'm thinking more of privates and NCOs.

If, in peacetime, they weren't in their barracks playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck where would they be?
In their trailer playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck.
Fuck Israel
2011-04-23 05:41:00
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6661
I have absolutely no problem with the size of our military. Sure. Our weapon systems are extremely over priced because of the massive bureaucracy that forces an extremely inefficient and drawn our procurement process. BUT, we do end up with the best of the best, and I have no problem paying for the best.

Here is what it comes down to for me: I believe any country who has the opportunity to be the baddest kid on the block and doesn't pursue that opportunity is absolutely, 100%, retarded. The fact that our military is so absurdly huge is actually what guaranteed the peace that we've had. Seriously guys, the past 10 years of unconventional warfare was honestly a lot better then even a couple months of two bigger countries duking it out. Hopefully we stay off the conventional stage for awhile longer.


I bet 2012 for a big 'ol conventional war, but I won't tell you why, and its not because of the Mayans.

Now Dilbert, troll me.
2011-04-23 05:44:15
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm thinking more of privates and NCOs.

If, in peacetime, they weren't in their barracks playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck where would they be?
In their trailer playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck.
actually we played video games during lunch because you know....work and all.
2011-04-23 05:47:03
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5116|Amsterdam
Dutch military is cutting everything.
We're selling all our tanks and a lot of jets (were replacing a few for better ones, but most will be sold) and they almost completely stopped hiring people a while ago and now they are even going to fire people.
The military is supposed to be the place where you can always go if the job market is shit.
This is ridiciolous.
2011-04-23 05:58:57
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX

Commie Killer wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with the size of our military. Sure. Our weapon systems are extremely over priced because of the massive bureaucracy that forces an extremely inefficient and drawn our procurement process. BUT, we do end up with the best of the best, and I have no problem paying for the best.

The fact that our military is so absurdly huge is actually what guaranteed the peace that we've had. Seriously guys, the past 10 years of unconventional warfare was honestly a lot better then even a couple months of two bigger countries duking it out. Hopefully we stay off the conventional stage for awhile longer.

I bet 2012 for a big 'ol conventional war, but I won't tell you why, and its not because of the Mayans.

Now Dilbert, troll me.
The size of your military guaranteed nothing. If anything its what caused you to start a good number of wars.
A small fleet of nuclear submarines is what has guaranteed peace.

Here is what it comes down to for me: I believe any country who has the opportunity to be the baddest kid on the block and doesn't pursue that opportunity is absolutely, 100%, retarded.
Why exactly? What does being big and bad do other than compensate for a small penis and daddy issues?

Spending trillions to counter nothing is retarded, unless you admit it really is just a form of workfare.

the past 10 years of unconventional warfare was honestly a lot better then even a couple months of two bigger countries duking it out
But a lot worse than no war at all wouldn't you think?
Fuck Israel
2011-04-23 05:59:44
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm thinking more of privates and NCOs.

If, in peacetime, they weren't in their barracks playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck where would they be?
In their trailer playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck.
actually we played video games during lunch because you know....work and all.
How does running up and down hills and polishing things which don't need polishing count as work?
Fuck Israel
2011-04-23 06:02:53
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm thinking more of privates and NCOs.

If, in peacetime, they weren't in their barracks playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck where would they be?
In their trailer playing videogames and waiting for their next meal and paycheck.
actually we played video games during lunch because you know....work and all.
How does running up and down hills and polishing things which don't need polishing count as work?
wat
2011-04-23 06:04:51
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


actually we played video games during lunch because you know....work and all.
How does running up and down hills and polishing things which don't need polishing count as work?
wat
We've all seen Full Metal Jacket.
Are you really going to say its not the equivalent of digging holes and filling them in again?
Fuck Israel
2011-04-23 06:05:48
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

How does running up and down hills and polishing things which don't need polishing count as work?
wat
We've all seen Full Metal Jacket.
Are you really going to say its not the equivalent of digging holes and filling them in again?
infantry is the only job in the military?

oh and infantry wasnt my only job so inb4 your next troll

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-04-23 06:12:39)

2011-04-23 06:06:19
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+564|6988|Purplicious Wisconsin
Really? I thought there was more to it.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
2011-04-23 06:48:54
menzo
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+616|6720|Amsterdam‫

Kampframmer wrote:

Dutch military is cutting everything.
We're selling all our tanks and a lot of jets (were replacing a few for better ones, but most will be sold) and they almost completely stopped hiring people a while ago and now they are even going to fire people.
The military is supposed to be the place where you can always go if the job market is shit.
This is ridiciolous.
the tanks idea is shit, but i doubt they will sell them all. For the fighters the plan is to buy 85  F-35s and get rid of the 100 F16s we have
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2011-04-23 10:05:34
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5748|Ventura, California
Hey guys I'm dilbert

https://cuthulan.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/military-welfare1.jpg

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Too bad the US military is paid to sit around and do nothing, you know...digging holes and filling them in, since that's all they're good for eh?

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2011-04-23 10:09:13)

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2011-04-23 10:21:27
UnkleRukus
That Guy
+236|5310|Massachusetts, USA

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Hey guys I'm dilbert

http://cuthulan.files.wordpress.com/201 … lfare1.jpg

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Too bad the US military is paid to sit around and do nothing, you know...digging holes and filling them in, since that's all they're good for eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSSekyh … re=related
Wow you're dumb.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
2011-04-23 10:31:49
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6273|...

Commie Killer wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with the size of our military. Sure. Our weapon systems are extremely over priced because of the massive bureaucracy that forces an extremely inefficient and drawn our procurement process. BUT, we do end up with the best of the best, and I have no problem paying for the best.

Here is what it comes down to for me: I believe any country who has the opportunity to be the baddest kid on the block and doesn't pursue that opportunity is absolutely, 100%, retarded. The fact that our military is so absurdly huge is actually what guaranteed the peace that we've had. Seriously guys, the past 10 years of unconventional warfare was honestly a lot better then even a couple months of two bigger countries duking it out. Hopefully we stay off the conventional stage for awhile longer.


I bet 2012 for a big 'ol conventional war, but I won't tell you why, and its not because of the Mayans.

Now Dilbert, troll me.
I would argue it has actually had an opposite effect. To justify your extreme military budget the US seems to get itself involved militarily in just about any conflict it can - which has made your country hugely impopular around the globe. Undoubtedly the past ten years have had devastating effects on the diplomatic relations with lots and lots of nations. Even within the European Union, supposed to be your staunchest allies, you'll be able to find anti-US sentiments in almost half, if not half of the population. Going around appearing like the big bad bogeyman could have far reaching consequences for the future of your nation.

It's had to effect that countries whose support you need in combatting terrorism are non compliant, and that you've gotten yourself an enemy that is very, very hard to defeat. 10 years on since the invasion of Afghanistan and the fighting in some areas of the nation seem to be just as intense as they were at the beginning of the invasion.  The way the conflict has been managed and getting involved in it in such a way has had to an effect that you're actually feeding the anti-US sentiment, while the goal was to remove this - it's what got you involved in the first place! Although the failure here could be blamed on gross mismanagement of the war by the people in the upper echelons of your military circles. Nevertheless, that's still not all there is to it.

I meant it when I said the biggest threat to global security and stability, ironically seems to be the US. Although the collapse of the soviet union has had a lot to do with the current world situation, the US has not properly adapted itself and somehow managed to rationalise going on the same course while the big enemy had already been defeated.
inane little opines
2011-04-23 10:42:10
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5748|Ventura, California

UnkleRukus wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Hey guys I'm dilbert

http://cuthulan.files.wordpress.com/201 … lfare1.jpg

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Too bad the US military is paid to sit around and do nothing, you know...digging holes and filling them in, since that's all they're good for eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSSekyh … re=related
Wow you're dumb.
Actually I thought that was a pretty good post.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2011-04-23 10:43:25
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6273|...

UnkleRukus wrote:

Wow you're dumb.
Actually for once shifty is right

This is a strange day for bf2s
inane little opines
2011-04-23 10:45:00
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5748|Ventura, California
Lets not get condescending.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2011-04-23 10:46:00
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6273|...
Hey I'm agreeing, no complaint here
inane little opines
2011-04-23 10:49:08
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5748|Ventura, California
Anyway, is the amount spent on the DoD really that significant when compared to the amount of money the U.S. makes? I'd rather cut silly government programs than cut the military.

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2011-04-23 10:49:55)

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2011-04-23 10:54:48
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6273|...
Just look at the graph. It's extremely significant. If we combine the entire EU just for perspective; it's got a larger economy than the US, and still the US spends more than double the amount of money on military matters.

And we're allies. EU and US combined probably amount to over 60% of worldwide military expenditure. Not counting Japan or other countries that have mutual defence agreements.

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues.
And as I argued before, this trend, imo, has done little to improve global security.
inane little opines
2011-04-23 11:03:53
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5748|Ventura, California
28% of taxes huh? Where can I find what every other cent of the remaining 72% is spent on?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2011-04-23 11:11:07
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio
well imo fuck the world and cut the military in half
2011-04-23 11:33:04
menzo
̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#
+616|6720|Amsterdam‫

-Sh1fty- wrote:

28% of taxes huh? Where can I find what every other cent of the remaining 72% is spent on?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Unite … ral_budget
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2011-04-23 12:01:16
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6273|...
It's very regrettable that NASA has such a tiny budget. Many of the world's brightest minds in that place, completely unused and underfunded, I would even say neglected. NASA was actually subject to cuts - see the constellation program. While the military budget got increased, completely without valid reason.

If you truly wanted to invest in technological advancement then why in hell is no money being funneled to that place instead? It's probably the best thing the US has ever produced. No moment in history that has inspired as many people as the moon landing - if it wasn't for the cuts you could've gotten yourself the mars landing in the near future...

Imagine what that could've meant. Fuck lobbyists & politics.
inane little opines
2011-04-23 12:13:35
menzo
̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#
+616|6720|Amsterdam‫
it is sad that their budget is small, but the constellation program wasn't the best. with their new commercial approach it seems they are o9n the right track but i think they also should have their own rocket.
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