lowing
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Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Has Canada ever been attacked?

What about Greenland?

Maybe you just don't have anything anyone would bother attacking you for?

Whoever is sitting on the ME oil wells is going to need to sell you their oil so thats hardly an issue either.

Anyway, on topic:

Dunno, is anyone addressing the quality of recruits, or is it the quality of their management once they're in?
didn't know Canada or Greenland was every our enemy.

Now then, ask me if Japan wold have ever attacked, or Germany.... They didn't seem to have much problem taking out countries ill prepared for their advancements.

We have not been attacked because we have a formidable military force. History has shown, even recent history, that countries without a strong military, or (allies with one to keep it current) get invaded.
the fact that you have two massive oceans either side helps, tbh. as i said before i'm not necessarily disagreeing with your above point but that, IMO, is a far bigger factor in why no one in their right mind has/would try to invade northern america from the outer.
oceans are great, but they do not stop rockets and planes and battle groups. It is called deterrence through superior fire power.

Oceans would also not stop an invading army to a defenseless land.
Spark
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Indeed but it means you don't exactly need a mindbogglingly powerful military to prevent invasion.
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lowing
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Spark wrote:

Indeed but it means you don't exactly need a mindbogglingly powerful military to prevent invasion.
you do when you are providing deterrence not only for an invasion of your land, but also the land of all of your allies.
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Has Canada ever been attacked?

What about Greenland?

Maybe you just don't have anything anyone would bother attacking you for?

Whoever is sitting on the ME oil wells is going to need to sell you their oil so thats hardly an issue either.

Anyway, on topic:
How the hell do we let these crazies into the military?
Dunno, is anyone addressing the quality of recruits, or is it the quality of their management once they're in?
didn't know Canada or Greenland was every our enemy.

Now then, ask me if Japan wold have ever attacked, or Germany.... They didn't seem to have much problem taking out countries ill prepared for their advancements.

We have not been attacked because we have a formidable military force. History has shown, even recent history, that countries without a strong military, or (allies with one to keep it current) get invaded.
Canada and Greenland have tiny militaries and yet they haven't been attacked.
Your argument that the US needs a huge military to deter attack fails.
Fuck Israel
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Has Canada ever been attacked?

What about Greenland?

Maybe you just don't have anything anyone would bother attacking you for?

Whoever is sitting on the ME oil wells is going to need to sell you their oil so thats hardly an issue either.

Anyway, on topic:

Dunno, is anyone addressing the quality of recruits, or is it the quality of their management once they're in?
didn't know Canada or Greenland was every our enemy.

Now then, ask me if Japan wold have ever attacked, or Germany.... They didn't seem to have much problem taking out countries ill prepared for their advancements.

We have not been attacked because we have a formidable military force. History has shown, even recent history, that countries without a strong military, or (allies with one to keep it current) get invaded.
Canada and Greenland have tiny militaries and yet they haven't been attacked.
Your argument that the US needs a huge military to deter attack fails.
Well Canada being in a nice geographical location and all, former colony of the UK, member of NATO and having a neighbor with a HUGE military...

with the greenland example i c wat you did thar troll. who the fuck wants to invade greenland lol.
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Has Canada ever been attacked?

What about Greenland?

Maybe you just don't have anything anyone would bother attacking you for?

Whoever is sitting on the ME oil wells is going to need to sell you their oil so thats hardly an issue either.

Anyway, on topic:

Dunno, is anyone addressing the quality of recruits, or is it the quality of their management once they're in?
didn't know Canada or Greenland was every our enemy.

Now then, ask me if Japan wold have ever attacked, or Germany.... They didn't seem to have much problem taking out countries ill prepared for their advancements.

We have not been attacked because we have a formidable military force. History has shown, even recent history, that countries without a strong military, or (allies with one to keep it current) get invaded.
Canada and Greenland have tiny militaries and yet they haven't been attacked.
Your argument that the US needs a huge military to deter attack fails.
Canada and greenland have what the US doesn't have.... Someone to protect them. My argument does not fail. I give the entire world history of invasion and conquering as proof.

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Spark
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lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

Indeed but it means you don't exactly need a mindbogglingly powerful military to prevent invasion.
you do when you are providing deterrence not only for an invasion of your land, but also the land of all of your allies.
That I don't dispute. The question then becomes of whether it's worth it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
lowing
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Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

Indeed but it means you don't exactly need a mindbogglingly powerful military to prevent invasion.
you do when you are providing deterrence not only for an invasion of your land, but also the land of all of your allies.
That I don't dispute. The question then becomes of whether it's worth it.
I feel it is, the US provide stability. In a warped way the fall of the USSR was probably not such a great thing. They kept order in their part of the world. Look at the turmoil since its demise. With no one babysitting rogue nations start acting like fools.
11 Bravo
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another ruined thread yay.....stupid cunts
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Cybargs wrote:

with the greenland example i c wat you did thar troll. who the fuck wants to invade greenland lol.
Who the fuck wants to invade America lol
Fuck Israel
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

with the greenland example i c wat you did thar troll. who the fuck wants to invade greenland lol.
Who the fuck wants to invade America lol
Japan tried in WW2. Brits innit, Mexicans back then.
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jord
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Britain?
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well..dont think anyone would want to invade america..partly because of the big army it has..among other reasons
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Cybargs
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jord wrote:

Britain?
Lots of border conflicts with Canada (being a crown colony back then) and the civil war did have a huge opening for the brits to retake the colonies, plus they did supply the south with a lot of shit.
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Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

well dilbert and vilham bash sources yet used what you said as the gold standard.  i find that funny tbh.  or typical.
Yeah, my little anecdote proves that soldiers are retarded monkeys that are unfit to live a normal life.

The only difference between the people I served with and the people we left at home was one was a group of cowards and the other wasn't. Everything else was pretty much equal. We had geniuses, retards, rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, black people, white people, hispanic people, asians etc. Nice cross section of America as a whole. So yes, the argument is absurd.
so because tons of people have something better and more constructive to do theyre suddenly cowards?
Jay
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HaiBai wrote:

Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

well dilbert and vilham bash sources yet used what you said as the gold standard.  i find that funny tbh.  or typical.
Yeah, my little anecdote proves that soldiers are retarded monkeys that are unfit to live a normal life.

The only difference between the people I served with and the people we left at home was one was a group of cowards and the other wasn't. Everything else was pretty much equal. We had geniuses, retards, rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, black people, white people, hispanic people, asians etc. Nice cross section of America as a whole. So yes, the argument is absurd.
so because tons of people have something better and more constructive to do theyre suddenly cowards?
Absolutely.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
HaiBai
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no.

what do i get for serving in the military?  benefits of the GI bill?  self-discipline?  cool stories to tell to my grandchildren?

it's a waste of time.  i have many better and more constructive things to do then be cannon fodder
Cybargs
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HaiBai wrote:

no.

what do i get for serving in the military?  benefits of the GI bill?  self-discipline?  cool stories to tell to my grandchildren?

it's a waste of time.  i have many better and more constructive things to do then be cannon fodder
pussy

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11 Bravo
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HaiBai wrote:

no.

what do i get for serving in the military?  benefits of the GI bill?  self-discipline?  cool stories to tell to my grandchildren?

it's a waste of time.  i have many better and more constructive things to do then be cannon fodder
doubt it
jord
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Haibai I don't think when anyone insults you they bring emotion into it, you're just rather tiresome. It's okay, I get the whole "I'm 15 and the internet provides a safety blanket for me to share my incorrect opinions annoymously" thing. Just ya know... Tone it down a bit. I don't know, limit yourself to 3 posts a day or something...
jord
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He's just young. I look back on my posts 5 years ago and cringe. He'll change, and if he doesn't. May science help him...
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
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you have a point jord.  i honestly don't have any real life experience and most of my opinions are probably ignorant.

that makes me wonder though, if we'll all still be here in 5 years
Shocking
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I understand the benefits, I'm asking who pays for it.
Jay is claiming its self-funding, I don't believe him.

Jay wrote:

deferred salary
. But here's the thing though: if you actually want the GI Bill you have your wages garnished for the first year you serve. They take out $100 a month for the first twelve months (out of our already meager $1200 a month minus taxes salary) of service in order to fund it.
+ you work for it

whats not to understand?
inane little opines
11 Bravo
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he calls it workfare.  well every job is basically that... especially for your "free" healthcare.
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On one hand, the military isn't the only valid calling for Americans and military elitism can get rather old. On the other, those who join should think before they insult the very people who volunteered to maintain draft-free service.

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