"How's that hopey changey thing workin out fer ya?" -PalinWar Man wrote:
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Obama's dad was never in the U.S. military...he also wasn't a U.S. citizen at all.Cybargs wrote:
... Is dad is still an Officer in the US Army, last I check you had to be a citizen to be an officer in the military. Ever heard of dual citizenship warman?War Man wrote:
This, what is he afraid of?CC-Marley wrote:
Why the hell doesn't he just release the real birth certificate to say fuck you to the birthers.....anyway Hildogs crew would of outed him if he were not really a US citizen.Dad is a Kenyan who moved back to Kenya, his mom might of lived with him there and gave birth to Obama. Then she could of sent him to Hawaii so his grandparents would raise them. His grandparents then would announce and claim he was born in Hawaii.Cybargs wrote:
his mum and dad are american isnt that good enough.
Dude he did release his birth certificate so stfu lol.
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We know for sure that it is a nonissue. The state of Hawaii by their authority has said that they have the original on file. By law he is required to present his certificate of live birth, which he has done. The LAW has been satisfied, and he is perfectly within his right to tell birthers to fuck off.. the law is only thing that binds us all.War Man wrote:
This, what is he afraid of?CC-Marley wrote:
Why the hell doesn't he just release the real birth certificate to say fuck you to the birthers.....anyway Hildogs crew would of outed him if he were not really a US citizen.Dad is a Kenyan who moved back to Kenya, his mom might of lived with him there and gave birth to Obama. Then she could of sent him to Hawaii so his grandparents would raise them. His grandparents then would announce and claim he was born in Hawaii.Cybargs wrote:
his mum and dad are american isnt that good enough.
Obama isn't "afraid" of releasing his birth certificate.. if I were him, at this point, I wouldn't do it out of pure principle. I'd be perfectly content letting the fringe birthers chase their tails and spend their money on non issues. You see, that takes their eye off of the ball. That is the smart, logical thing to so. Just think about it for a bit.
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Kmar wrote:
We know for sure that it is a nonissue. The state of Hawaii by their authority has said that they have the original on file. By law he is required to present his certificate of live birth, which he has done. The LAW has been satisfied, and he is perfectly within his right to tell birthers to fuck off.. the law is only thing that binds us all.War Man wrote:
This, what is he afraid of?CC-Marley wrote:
Why the hell doesn't he just release the real birth certificate to say fuck you to the birthers.....anyway Hildogs crew would of outed him if he were not really a US citizen.Dad is a Kenyan who moved back to Kenya, his mom might of lived with him there and gave birth to Obama. Then she could of sent him to Hawaii so his grandparents would raise them. His grandparents then would announce and claim he was born in Hawaii.Cybargs wrote:
his mum and dad are american isnt that good enough.
Obama isn't "afraid" of releasing his birth certificate.. if I were him, at this point, I wouldn't do it out of pure principle. I'd be perfectly content letting the fringe birthers chase their tails and spend their money on non issues. You see, that takes their eye off of the ball. That is the smart, logical thing to so. Just think about it for a bit.
Hmm.War Man wrote:
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
or he could just release it....why not just make things simple
Release it to whom? They're conspiracy nuts. The idiots wouldn't believe it was real even if it was placed in their hands and they were each allowed to conduct carbon dating or whatever. They should simply be ignored.11 Bravo wrote:
or he could just release it....why not just make things simple
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
wtf i read somewhere on the birth certificate that his dads occupation was "US Army, officer."Macbeth wrote:
Obama's dad was never in the U.S. military...he also wasn't a U.S. citizen at all.Cybargs wrote:
... Is dad is still an Officer in the US Army, last I check you had to be a citizen to be an officer in the military. Ever heard of dual citizenship warman?War Man wrote:
This, what is he afraid of?CC-Marley wrote:
Why the hell doesn't he just release the real birth certificate to say fuck you to the birthers.....anyway Hildogs crew would of outed him if he were not really a US citizen.
Dad is a Kenyan who moved back to Kenya, his mom might of lived with him there and gave birth to Obama. Then she could of sent him to Hawaii so his grandparents would raise them. His grandparents then would announce and claim he was born in Hawaii.
Dude he did release his birth certificate so stfu lol.
my mistakes i apologize.
But his mom was still american so regardless, he's a US citizen at birth.
Kmar is bang on though. He's done it to legal standard - the highest standard required. Move on ffs. There are plenty of other legitimate things to attack his less than polished record over, going on about this makes you look like a deadset tosser.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
It removes credibility from the birthers, because whilst the rest of the country has accepted he's American born, they won't shut up about it, and everyone think they're idiots, denying them votes and undermining their politics.CC-Marley wrote:
Why the hell doesn't he just release the real birth certificate to say fuck you to the birthers.....anyway Hildogs crew would of outed him if he were not really a US citizen.
Plus publicly showing them is a tacit admission - or will seem to be - of the legitimacy of their queries (legitimacy they do not actually have), and would serve to reintegrate them into the mainstream, rather than keeping them on the side as the crazy tossers which they are.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Like I said.. the distraction is of great political use.11 Bravo wrote:
or he could just release it....why not just make things simple
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I never understood why McCain never had any questions raised about his birth given that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, (in a naval base which is technically but not actually part of America,) while Barack Obama was born in Hawaii which is actually part of America yet BOOM red flag becasue his dad was Kenyan. He's still a US citizen, no one's denying him that, (actually I'm sure some are,) and the opinion that some bizarre scheme was concocted at his birth by his parents, grandparents and probably a Kenyan terrorist cell or something because one day they expected him to become President is ridiculous.
It's an argument by those who don't like Obama's policies but are too fucking brain-dead to actually know what they are. Why learn about politics and formulate opinions as to why you are in support or opposition of something if you can just latch onto an idiotic conspiracy?
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
It's an argument by those who don't like Obama's policies but are too fucking brain-dead to actually know what they are. Why learn about politics and formulate opinions as to why you are in support or opposition of something if you can just latch onto an idiotic conspiracy?
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
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It's in the Constitution, which people here hold very dear to their heart in terms of policies and laws... and for good reason.Ty wrote:
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
McCain was questioned about his birth. However, that was easily shit down. We know that both McCain's parent were US citizens (his Dad and Grandfather were both Admirals in the US Navy). I suppose the Conspiracy folks cut him a little slack because of what he had to endure whilst serving in the military... but really there was no chance of his citizenship being in question.Ty wrote:
I never understood why McCain never had any questions raised about his birth given that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, (in a naval base which is technically but not actually part of America,) while Barack Obama was born in Hawaii which is actually part of America yet BOOM red flag becasue his dad was Kenyan. He's still a US citizen, no one's denying him that, (actually I'm sure some are,) and the opinion that some bizarre scheme was concocted at his birth by his parents, grandparents and probably a Kenyan terrorist cell or something because one day they expected him to become President is ridiculous.
It's an argument by those who don't like Obama's policies but are too fucking brain-dead to actually know what they are. Why learn about politics and formulate opinions as to why you are in support or opposition of something if you can just latch onto an idiotic conspiracy?
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
A US military base counts as US soil. Just like an/a US embassy would count as US soil.
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/63650/j … -biographyWar Man wrote:
A US military base counts as US soil. Just like an/a US embassy would count as US soil.
That doesn't matter anyways.. as previously mentioned both of his parents are citizens.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Not doubting that the US Constitution is important, (and realising that I come from a country without a constitution,) but old laws that are protected to the same level the US Constitution is tend to become very out of date. While, like you say, there is very good reason to hold the Constitution dear there is very little reason to have blind devotion to an unchanging law. People are so opposed to any notion of altering the Constitution that they ignore the potential for it to be improved. There are already enough political safeguards in place to ensure the Constitution is not altered frivelously. I'm getting off topic though and constitutional law is boring.Poseidon wrote:
It's in the Constitution, which people here hold very dear to their heart in terms of policies and laws... and for good reason.Ty wrote:
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
@ Kmar, I know that McCain's citizenship or... America-birth-ship ws easily defendible and pretty much beyond question, I just ask given the interesting situation, i.e. being born in an American Navy base instead of America itself, it wasn't made a bigger issue considering the gargantuan issue that Obama's thing has become when the only thing that suggested anything other than him being and American citizen and American born was that his father was of another nationality. A relitively minor thing blown out of proportion which McCain's thing could also have been -iIt's equally as idiotic.
@ WarMan, yeah I know that and mentioned it.
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Last part threw me off.Ty wrote:
I never understood why McCain never had any questions raised about his birth given that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, (in a naval base which is technically but not actually part of America,) while Barack Obama was born in Hawaii which is actually part of America yet BOOM red flag becasue his dad was Kenyan. He's still a US citizen, no one's denying him that, (actually I'm sure some are,) and the opinion that some bizarre scheme was concocted at his birth by his parents, grandparents and probably a Kenyan terrorist cell or something because one day they expected him to become President is ridiculous.
It's an argument by those who don't like Obama's policies but are too fucking brain-dead to actually know what they are. Why learn about politics and formulate opinions as to why you are in support or opposition of something if you can just latch onto an idiotic conspiracy?
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
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Exactly.Ty wrote:
Anyway, the whole "US President must by born in the US" is defunct in this day and age. What the fuck difference does it make? "US citizen by birth", sure that's completely reasonable but how does the patch of dirt you slimed your way into the world on have anything to do with anything?
Things tend to get outdated after 225 years.
'Cause I don't want a fucking commonwealther(or what do you call them?) for President. I don't want any foreigner at all for president, in fact.
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Well then don't vote for him.
If he gets more than 50% of the vote however, than you're outta luck pal.
If he gets more than 50% of the vote however, than you're outta luck pal.
I know. I was just weighing in with why I thought it wasn't even a comparable scenario.Ty wrote:
@ Kmar, I know that McCain's citizenship or... America-birth-ship ws easily defendible and pretty much beyond question, I just ask given the interesting situation, i.e. being born in an American Navy base instead of America itself, it wasn't made a bigger issue considering the gargantuan issue that Obama's thing has become when the only thing that suggested anything other than him being and American citizen and American born was that his father was of another nationality. A relitively minor thing blown out of proportion which McCain's thing could also have been -iIt's equally as idiotic.
I mean are Americans really even going to consider the idea that McCain isn't a citizen when he fought and paid dearly in service of the US?
Also note that most people have accepted the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate and citizenship. Even the majority of conservative talking heads are aware of the wasted time spent pursuing the issue. It's much more productive for them to talk about Obama's performance.
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We're not talking about foreigners here, I still clearly said that you can keep the US citizen by birth thing. I was saying that having to be born on a patch of dirt that is designated to be the United States of America is outdated and pointless. Think of a US diplomat serving overseas, if he or she has a kid while there and it is born in an overseas hospital that kid will be forever denied the chance to go for the highest office. Why? What's the point? Why on earth would the fact that a kid from US parents who for his entire life will be completely and utterly American was born overseas have any impact on whether he should be able to run for President? Name me one thing.War Man wrote:
'Cause I don't want a fucking commonwealther(or what do you call them?) for President. I don't want any foreigner at all for president, in fact.
What if John McCain's mum had to be rushed to a nearby hospital in Panema because the services at the Navy base weren't enough? How would that one factor make him any less applicable to run for President?
The constitution comes from a time when something like being born in America was a key factor in whether you were American. A time when most Americans were migrants, a time when travelling to the other side of the world took a matter of months not a matter of hours. Back then yes, being born in America could be considered an important determination of whether you were American or not. Nowadays? Hell I have an American friend who couldn't run for President because she was born to US parents on a foriegn airliner, (interestingly enough had she been born on a US carrier she would have been able to despite the fact that the plane was midway over the Atlantic at the time.)
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What commonwealth is Indonesia a part of?War Man wrote:
'Cause I don't want a fucking commonwealther(or what do you call them?) for President. I don't want any foreigner at all for president, in fact.