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Blue Herring wrote:

The same reason murder is illegal. Do you condone filicide simply because "it's none of your concern"?  Part of living in a society with (inalienable)rights is that everyone's rights are protected, even the people who don't have means to protect them themselves.

How can you define human life as starting from the moment of conception? It doesn't make sense, a fetus doesn't even remotely resemble a human - the only thing that connects it to us is the fact that it could become a human. It can in no way be equated to murder, that's a ridiculous statement - if aborting a fetus is the same as murder I guess you must feel an awful lot of remorse for all the ants you've burned with a magnifying glass as a kid because they are effectively more 'alive' than a fetus. Oh wait, not the same because they can't evolve into humans?

Know what happens to aborted fetusses? They get collected in black garbage bags and burnt to a crisp, why aren't they being buried by the prolifers? Can barely even use them for research because pro-lifers deem that as being immoral, while it could save hundreds of lives. Another example of self righteous bullshittery; denying research on fetusses to try and save people's lives. Who knows how many people we could've helped by now if it wasn't for the anti abortion/ 'life is sacred' crowd?

Last edited by Shocking (2011-03-28 14:23:43)

Uzique wrote:

haibai humans have sex for pleasure. it's a trait of our species as an animal being. we don't only copulate to have a child. our urge to masturbate is the exact same primal relation of pleasure and sex. we like it. your church doesn't. which is inhuman? your church lacks humanity. marriage similarly is an institution invented to coerce human nature and discipline the human spirit, for power reasons. it's all about maintaining power structures. if the church can have a monopoly on sex and childbirth, then they have a generational control.

i realize that humans have sex for pleasure.  i would too.

my point is that if you want this pleasure, you have to accept the risk that you could create a child, and you can't run to abortion if that turns out to be true

Shocking wrote:

Blue Herring wrote:

The same reason murder is illegal. Do you condone filicide simply because "it's none of your concern"?  Part of living in a society with (inalienable)rights is that everyone's rights are protected, even the people who don't have means to protect them themselves.

How can you define human life as starting from the moment of conception? It doesn't make sense, a fetus doesn't even remotely resemble a human - the only thing that connects it to us is the fact that it could become a human. It can in no way be equated to murder, that's a ridiculous statement - if aborting a fetus is the same as murder I guess you must feel an awful lot of remorse for all the ants you've burned with a magnifying glass as a kid because they are effectively more 'alive' than a fetus. Oh wait, not the same because they can't evolve into humans?

Know what happens to aborted fetusses? They get collected in black garbage bags and burnt to a crisp, why aren't they being buried by the prolifers? Can barely even use them for research because pro-lifers deem that as being immoral, while it could save hundreds of lives. Another example of self righteous bullshittery; denying research on fetusses to try and save people's lives. Who knows how many people we could've saved or helped by now if it wasn't for the anti abortion crowd?

because it doesn't justify abortion

HaiBai wrote:

Shocking wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

lmfao, are you really telling me the child is better off dead?  let's just kill every single person who has a mental disability, they're obviously suffering.  let's take all the children from the families in the ghettos and kill them.  they're probably suffering too.

site wrote:

The UK-based Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has published a government commissioned scientific review and concluded that a fetus is not conscious at 24 weeks of age. It is also not able to feel pain.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/2 … z1HvgvH5W9

24 weeks being the maximum time of abortion, at that stage the fetus is pretty much the equivalent of a jellyfish or plant, people acquire consciousness anywhere between 1 and 4 years of age, long after being born.

No, I'm telling you that you have no right to decide on other people's lives in such a manner, what's not to understand? If the woman doesn't want the child then who are you to tell her that she must have it?

Oh and at 24 weeks I believe the fetus can only be removed through abdominal incision, great huh?

there are many ways to kill someone without pain, so maybe we should be allowed to kill babies up until the time they gain their consciousness?  which is up until age 4 in some cases.  sounds good to me

Monkey Spanker wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

so you must also be pissed that the white house was built, right?

the second you stick your dick in her vagina you basically throw all your excuses away.  you knew the risks going into it, so now you have to deal with it

Did you even read what I wrote as a couple the choice has been made not to have a child. Anyway how old are you 13 ffs grow up.

yes, i did, it was pretty much the entire point of your post.  the point of sex is to have a child.  anything else is selfish

OK so after you have sex with a man or woman you come back to me & tell me sex is only for pro creation & not enjoyment now grow up & enjoy sex with someone else but Mrs Palm & her five lovely sisters ya wierdo.

HaiBai wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

nah, masturbating doesn't result in a child bro

yes im raging hard.  you've got me all figured out because you're so smart.  good job man!

Well, if sex is "only for making a child, anything else is selfish" logic is going to hold true with all of your beliefs... sperm's sole usage would be for making a child. So again, you've never masturbated in your life? Even once? Wastin' babies if you did bro, not good. God frowns upon you, child.

yeah, not really.  the act of sex should only be used for creating children.  never said anything about sperm.  explain wet dreams in that case

Obviously these views come from your religiousness... doesn't God frown upon masturbating? And from your previous post, it sounds like you have indeed done it. You're just making excuses for the "sins" you've committed because you've had the opportunity to masturbate, but not have sex.

HaiBai wrote:

fyi, i am a virgin.

And Bruce Willis was a ghost the whole time.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

There's a kid in the other room (I'm living at my grandparents, they run a daycare) and the little baby is only a year old or so. He is a kid that was put up for adoption, the parents didn't want him.

He doesn't have a conscious, supposedly, and the parents didn't want him so can I take my grandma's massive frying pan and whack the kid over the head really hard? I promise he won't feel a thing.

fucking sickos

Go away the adults are talking.

Monkey Spanker wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Shocking wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

lmfao, are you really telling me the child is better off dead?  let's just kill every single person who has a mental disability, they're obviously suffering.  let's take all the children from the families in the ghettos and kill them.  they're probably suffering too.

24 weeks being the maximum time of abortion, at that stage the fetus is pretty much the equivalent of a jellyfish or plant, people acquire consciousness anywhere between 1 and 4 years of age, long after being born.

No, I'm telling you that you have no right to decide on other people's lives in such a manner, what's not to understand? If the woman doesn't want the child then who are you to tell her that she must have it?

Oh and at 24 weeks I believe the fetus can only be removed through abdominal incision, great huh?

there are many ways to kill someone without pain, so maybe we should be allowed to kill babies up until the time they gain their consciousness?  which is up until age 4 in some cases.  sounds good to me

Monkey Spanker wrote:

Did you even read what I wrote as a couple the choice has been made not to have a child. Anyway how old are you 13 ffs grow up.

yes, i did, it was pretty much the entire point of your post.  the point of sex is to have a child.  anything else is selfish

OK so after you have sex with a man or woman you come back to me & tell me sex is only for pro creation & not enjoyment now grow up & enjoy sex with someone else but Mrs Palm & her five lovely sisters ya wierdo.

HaiBai wrote:

Uzique wrote:

haibai humans have sex for pleasure. it's a trait of our species as an animal being. we don't only copulate to have a child. our urge to masturbate is the exact same primal relation of pleasure and sex. we like it. your church doesn't. which is inhuman? your church lacks humanity. marriage similarly is an institution invented to coerce human nature and discipline the human spirit, for power reasons. it's all about maintaining power structures. if the church can have a monopoly on sex and childbirth, then they have a generational control.

i realize that humans have sex for pleasure.  i would too.

my point is that if you want this pleasure, you have to accept the risk that you could create a child, and you can't run to abortion if that turns out to be true

Poseidon wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Well, if sex is "only for making a child, anything else is selfish" logic is going to hold true with all of your beliefs... sperm's sole usage would be for making a child. So again, you've never masturbated in your life? Even once? Wastin' babies if you did bro, not good. God frowns upon you, child.

yeah, not really.  the act of sex should only be used for creating children.  never said anything about sperm.  explain wet dreams in that case

Obviously these views come from your religiousness... doesn't God frown upon masturbating? And from your previous post, it sounds like you have indeed done it. You're just making excuses for the "sins" you've committed because you've had the opportunity to masturbate, but not have sex.

are you stupid or something?  i'm not perfect retard, i've openly said i might lose my virginity before my marriage if i had the oppurtunity.  i'm not making excuses.  learn to read

Sh1fty wrote:

There's a kid in the other room (I'm living at my grandparents, they run a daycare) and the little baby is only a year old or so. He is a kid that was put up for adoption, the parents didn't want him.

He doesn't have a conscious, supposedly, and the parents didn't want him so can I take my grandma's massive frying pan and whack the kid over the head really hard? I promise he won't feel a thing.

fucking sickos

Where did I state that you can kill actually real, born humans?

Macbeth wrote:

Shocking wrote:

let's play a game; which one is the human fetus?

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2569/hurrf.png

None of those. Those are clearly baby seahorses.

the first two are fish!

Shocking wrote:

let's play a game; which one is the human fetus?

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2569/hurrf.png

They look like delicious, delicious shrimp to me. I'd eat all of them, no questions asked.

Shocking wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Shocking wrote:

let's play a game; which one is the human fetus?

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2569/hurrf.png

None of those. Those are clearly baby seahorses.

the first two are fish!

I'd rather like to guess, since we recently covered reproduction in my Anatomy & Physiology class, but I don't know which week the picture is at

Shocking wrote:

Blue Herring wrote:

The same reason murder is illegal. Do you condone filicide simply because "it's none of your concern"?  Part of living in a society with (inalienable)rights is that everyone's rights are protected, even the people who don't have means to protect them themselves.

How can you define human life as starting from the moment of conception? It doesn't make sense, a fetus doesn't even remotely resemble a human - the only thing that connects it to us is the fact that it could become a human.

It will become a fully cognitive human if no outside force stops it. It doesn't have any less human in it than a baby. I explained this in other parts of my post.

It can in no way be equated to murder, that's a ridiculous statement - if aborting a fetus is the same as murder I guess you must feel an awful lot of remorse for all the ants you've burned with a magnifying glass as a kid because they are effectively more 'alive' than a fetus. Oh wait, not the same because they can't evolve into humans?

Well, I never did that but yes its different. What you're basically telling me is that its about having conscious in the present, yes? The fact that it will be conscious is irrelevant? If it's not conscious NOW, its okay to kill? Is that what you're saying?

Know what happens to aborted fetusses? They get collected in black garbage bags and burnt to a crisp, why aren't they being buried by the prolifers? Can barely even use them for research because pro-lifers deem that as being immoral, while it could save hundreds of lives. Another example of self righteous bullshittery; denying research on fetusses to try and save people's lives. Who knows how many people we could've helped by now if it wasn't for the anti abortion/ 'life is sacred' crowd?

I never said they shouldn't be used for study. Plenty of fetuses would come to be from pregnancies with babies who would never live in the first place. I have no problem with that. That's a completely different issue and has no relevancy to the point at hand. If you want to debate the issue of not using fetuses for study then do so with someone who agrees with that viewpoint.

Turquoise wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What I'm saying is that the scale of the Church causes a lot of the corruption problems.  The pedo issue is another discussion altogether, but in terms of embezzlement, the Church has a long history of corruption.

However, getting more to the idea of fighting contraception, the Church (and any other religious institution dependent on tithes) has a vested interest in allowing for rapid procreation of its members.

I'm not saying it's the only reason for their stance on abortion, but it certainly helps.

government also has a long history of corruption.  down with government!  up with anarchy!

....not every argument is all or nothing.

When I criticize the Church, it's not under the suggestion that Catholicism should die.  However, I am suggesting that maybe they should revise some of their stances.

Every couple hundred years or so, they do actually change stances, but I think they might need to speed things up a bit.

it will never happen for abortion because abortion is murder