Dude, what happens in Florida, stays in Florida.Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
says the guy from the biggest redneck state in the union.Pug wrote:
Dude, what happens in Florida, stays in Florida.Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
"A living baby" ? lolMacbeth wrote:
Would you deny a 10 year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her own father an abortion? Would you tell her she couldn't have a second chance at life? Simple yes or no.
Because it isn't developed enough.LoL. Good one chief. No of course not, it's a living baby at that point. It's fully developed, and conscious.and would the murder of a year old baby be acceptable as long as it was unconscious?
Once that sperm hits the egg it's living. It's also a baby. "Fetus" is just a term you blokes slap on to justify killing it.
Your question is an incorrect one. Having a child at ten years old is not the end of life. Put the baby up for adoption.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
lol, worth it. g'nightKmar wrote:
says the guy from the biggest redneck state in the union.Pug wrote:
Dude, what happens in Florida, stays in Florida.Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
would read again
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Myth?Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
Stop trolling.
not trollin at all.AussieReaper wrote:
Myth?Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
Stop trolling.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
He doesn't live in Mississippi, Kmar. Unless you mean by size, in which case, yes he most certainly does.Kmar wrote:
says the guy from the biggest redneck state in the union.Pug wrote:
Dude, what happens in Florida, stays in Florida.Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
ahh, quality versus quantity argument...
That's a nice story and all but we both know the amount of crack babies who don't end up in stable households far outweigh the ones that do. I don't see the point in a story of how less than 1% of crack babies got lucky.Pug wrote:
Most rape babies aren't "the father's deformed rape baby", btw, but if that's the case...no she shouldn't. BUT, in some cases it makes sense to see if she's willing to accept support from everyone until the birth comes and then adoption.Macbeth wrote:
It's not a baby it's a fetus. It doesn't have consciousness.
So a 10 year old girl would be forced to have her fathers deformed rape baby because you draw a solid line against all abortions for whatever the reason?
I know a couple who adopts crack babies. They've raised three thru college so far, and have three others well on their way. The kids who went to college: one graduated and became a priest, one is in medical school, and the other is a dentist.
Yeah, tough to think that some people beat the odds, but it happens a lot more than you think.
I once was asked for money by a homeless lady who was obviously a drug addict. I talked to her for a little while after I gave her two dollars. She claimed she was pregnant and had HIV. What possible good would it do the child or the world for it to be born? She wasn't raped, she claimed she had gotten pregnant by being a prostitute, so she couldn't get an abortion if we drew the line at "only in cases of rape and incest". Would you deny her abortion knowing the child would come out with HIV and addicted to drugs?
I'm okay with a woman getting counseling if she needs it but it's obvious the bills up for debate aren't about getting woman help, they are about stopping abortion no matter the cost.
I'm assuming you mean no abortion, but we (the government) makes sure that she is comfortable, etc. No. Once the woman see's the child after it's born or goes through the bonding process of pregnancy and all that jazz to separate her from the child would cause unneeded psychological harm.Pug wrote:
Macbeth...if it was possible to make the mother completely comfortable in every way - mentally, physically, monetarily, etc, during the pregnancy, and then the adoption was mentally, physically, and monetarily, etc, acceptable to the child...
....would that change you mind?
The plan also fails when it comes to the monetary side of the issue...
I'm sorry to cut up the post like that, could you just respond to everything in one post? I hate quote trees and arguing 20 different things at once because of them.
It is a myth. I was being hyperbolic to make a point. IIRC the genetic defect chance for non-relatives is like 3-5% and for relatives 5-7%. It's not much of a difference really.Kmar wrote:
not trollin at all.AussieReaper wrote:
Myth?Kmar wrote:
Incestuous birth = deformities is a popular myth.
Stop trolling.
I know a woman who became pregnant in her teens, had the baby instead of aborting, and put the child up for adoption at birth. The baby was adopted pretty quickly and that was the end of it.
Just because a child has HIV doesn't allow you to make the choice of whether it lives or dies. The person has a right to life from the moment they're created.
Just because a child has HIV doesn't allow you to make the choice of whether it lives or dies. The person has a right to life from the moment they're created.
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And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Actually there are some anthropologist who say that inbreeding is beneficial to the gene pool.. but we won't go there just yet.Macbeth wrote:
It is a myth. I was being hyperbolic to make a point. IIRC the genetic defect chance for non-relatives is like 3-5% and for relatives 5-7%. It's not much of a difference really.Kmar wrote:
not trollin at all.AussieReaper wrote:
Myth?
Stop trolling.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
It would feel something, pinch a child sometime and you'll see. It has a very low understanding of the world but is learning from it and interacting with it. You can't compare a fetus to a baby. It just doesn't work.its still just a baby, it doesn't know any better! it wont even feel anything! besides, the year old baby never said we can't do it, so we might as well just do it because the parents dont want to have to waste all their money on their baby.
and it's not fully developed, it still has to grow into an adult.
What's different from a fetus to a baby? The underdevelopment? Well heck, lets allow "Abortion" until the age of ~20.Macbeth wrote:
It would feel something, pinch a child sometime and you'll see. It has a very low understanding of the world but is learning from it and interacting with it. You can't compare a fetus to a baby. It just doesn't work.its still just a baby, it doesn't know any better! it wont even feel anything! besides, the year old baby never said we can't do it, so we might as well just do it because the parents dont want to have to waste all their money on their baby.
and it's not fully developed, it still has to grow into an adult.
there are ways of killing a child painlessly. Stop using the word fetus.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
they're both going to end up as the same thing. it is the same thing, they're just in different stages of developmentMacbeth wrote:
It would feel something, pinch a child sometime and you'll see. It has a very low understanding of the world but is learning from it and interacting with it. You can't compare a fetus to a baby. It just doesn't work.its still just a baby, it doesn't know any better! it wont even feel anything! besides, the year old baby never said we can't do it, so we might as well just do it because the parents dont want to have to waste all their money on their baby.
and it's not fully developed, it still has to grow into an adult.
The sperm and egg nuclei haven't even fused into a zygote when the cells meet. Even after fertilization, it's still got to implant in the endometrium to not keep from getting tossed out the uterus. Also, it's an embryo for roughly the first trimester and a fetus for the second and third.-Sh1fty- wrote:
"A living baby" ? lolMacbeth wrote:
Would you deny a 10 year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her own father an abortion? Would you tell her she couldn't have a second chance at life? Simple yes or no.
Because it isn't developed enough.LoL. Good one chief. No of course not, it's a living baby at that point. It's fully developed, and conscious.and would the murder of a year old baby be acceptable as long as it was unconscious?
Once that sperm hits the egg it's living. It's also a baby. "Fetus" is just a term you blokes slap on to justify killing it.
Your question is an incorrect one. Having a child at ten years old is not the end of life. Put the baby up for adoption.
Since when does a bundle of cells automatically get rights at some arbitrary point in its development? People just go "Awwwww" over babies for some odd reason and lose whatever sense they had.
fetus
And that again increases if the grandparents are also blood related.Macbeth wrote:
It is a myth. I was being hyperbolic to make a point. IIRC the genetic defect chance for non-relatives is like 3-5% and for relatives 5-7%. It's not much of a difference really.Kmar wrote:
not trollin at all.AussieReaper wrote:
Myth?
Stop trolling.
Incestuous birth increases the risk of deformities simply because the recessive genes are more likely to be produced in the offspring.
How is protecting a baby from murder, oh I'm sorry, a fetus losing every sense a person has? So killing kids is proper sense? Oh my apologyDesertFox- wrote:
The sperm and egg nuclei haven't even fused into a zygote when the cells meet. Even after fertilization, it's still got to implant in the endometrium to not keep from getting tossed out the uterus. Also, it's an embryo for roughly the first trimester and a fetus for the second and third.-Sh1fty- wrote:
"A living baby" ? lolMacbeth wrote:
Would you deny a 10 year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her own father an abortion? Would you tell her she couldn't have a second chance at life? Simple yes or no.
Because it isn't developed enough.
LoL. Good one chief. No of course not, it's a living baby at that point. It's fully developed, and conscious.
Once that sperm hits the egg it's living. It's also a baby. "Fetus" is just a term you blokes slap on to justify killing it.
Your question is an incorrect one. Having a child at ten years old is not the end of life. Put the baby up for adoption.
Since when does a bundle of cells automatically get rights at some arbitrary point in its development? People just go "Awwwww" over babies for some odd reason and lose whatever sense they had.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
How about don't get pregnant. Using abortion as birthcontrol is sick. Be fucking responsible for your actions.Macbeth wrote:
You still have all of those other cost that come from unwanted children that make a one time abortion cheaper than the alt.
I suppose yes.. if you made it a habit to restrict the gene pool. But my comment was relative to a father raping his daughter. There are societies where inbreeding is quite common, and the ratio of kids born with birth defects compared to other societies is small.AussieReaper wrote:
And that again increases if the grandparents are also blood related.Macbeth wrote:
It is a myth. I was being hyperbolic to make a point. IIRC the genetic defect chance for non-relatives is like 3-5% and for relatives 5-7%. It's not much of a difference really.Kmar wrote:
not trollin at all.
Incestuous birth increases the risk of deformities simply because the recessive genes are more likely to be produced in the offspring.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I'm pro abortion. This surplus population of idiots is driving up the cost of living for everyone. Abortions for all.
Why do you automatically assume that the only options are abortion or a lifetime of welfare?Macbeth wrote:
You still have all of those other cost that come from unwanted children that make a one time abortion cheaper than the alt.
Your analysis is flawed.
Reform of the adoption laws (particularly post-adoption) of this nation and foster-to-adopt would greatly reduce the number of kids in the foster system (our version of orphanages) and match them to waiting families, many of whom are hesitant to adopt due to adoption laws here that allow the birth family to "change their mind" at nearly any point after the adoption, as well as a court system that forces contact with birth families that are not in the best interest of the child or their new families. (run-on sentence ftw)
Fix that and you have a VERY good option to abortion and a lifetime of welfare. Slightly more expensive than the former, much less expensive than the latter, but doesn't involve the possibility of killing a growing fetus for convenience's sake.
That doesn't mean abortion as a medical option should be outlawed. That's just insane.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Sounds like a good Idea.FEOS wrote:
killing a growing fetus for convenience's sake.
Well, that's somewhat true, but then again, that doesn't tackle the moral dilemma in such case. After all, a willful ending of a consciousness is committed. Or potential consciousness, if you'd like. But, then again, a baby is no different. I guess no one would agree to killing them because they're too cute or whatever.The sperm and egg nuclei haven't even fused into a zygote when the cells meet. Even after fertilization, it's still got to implant in the endometrium to not keep from getting tossed out the uterus. Also, it's an embryo for roughly the first trimester and a fetus for the second and third.
Since when does a bundle of cells automatically get rights at some arbitrary point in its development? People just go "Awwwww" over babies for some odd reason and lose whatever sense they had.
Also, what Kmar says is correct. The only problem with incestuous birth is the dominance of otherwise dormant genes. There's really no other problem with it.