DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6954|Disaster Free Zone
In a statement, the army said it apologised for the distress caused by photographs "depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States".
lol they're sry some pictures got out, but not that an entire unit goes around and
apprehended a mullah who was standing by the road and took him into a ditch where they made him kneel down.

The group's leader, Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, then allegedly threw a grenade at the man while an order was given for him to be shot.

Afterwards, Gibbs is described cutting off one of the man's little fingers and removing a tooth.
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6946|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

Karbin wrote:

I've heard on the news here, that this has come out on Afghan New Year. What passe's for the press there hasn't got their teeth into it....yet.
The Pres has seen the pic's and is said that he will comment on it when back in D.C.
The troops have been charged, C.I.D. is on it.....

We will see how it plays out.
If found guilty they may face the dealth penalty.

The TV also said something like 'it was almost ignored right at the top of the administration' - Not sure if they were on about these events or the previous.

I cant see why you can blame the Prez other than if he knew and didnt do something about it.  Senior, senior officals in suits ignoring this kind of thing hoping it would go away??  Thats awful.

TV just showed a pic of a guy cuffed, knelt down, shitty room, orange boiler suit (i think) his head shaven and just a foot or 2 away a big black dog barking in his face with a soilder holding it on a lead. - I would of thought from Abu.

It also showed what looked like a dead body.

and on n on and on.

Its disgusting.

Two wrongs never make a right
ghettoperson
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lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Moved to DST as requested. Also deleted EE junk and bad link stuff.
thank you. I felt like I walked in on a teenage girl sleepover. didn't mean to interrupt EE.

Sorry for the intrusion ladies.
Slightly confused, and then aroused?
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5747|Ventura, California
I love how people called Abu Ghraib torture, they obviously have no idea what real torture is.
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Macbeth
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

I love how people called Abu Ghraib torture, they obviously have no idea what real torture is.
LoL
Macbeth
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https://moviereviewh2one2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/abu-ghraib-tm.jpg?w=480&h=432
https://www.wired.com/images/slideshow/2008/02/gallery_abu_ghraib/abu.jpg
https://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/12/13/abughraibleash.jpg
Obviously not real torture. I know I watched Saw. /shifty logic

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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Torture and imprisoning these people seems largely pointless to me. How much have we actually gained by doing it?

Most countries don't even want these people back, so you're stuck with them forever.
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Macbeth
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Shocking wrote:

Torture and imprisoning these people seems largely pointless to me. How much have we actually gained by doing it?

Most countries don't even want these people back, so you're stuck with them forever.
Uh Abu Ghraib is in Iraq. Gitmo is in Cuba. Gitmo is for suspected AQ and it's leaders. Abu Ghraib was for Iraqi militia fighters and alike. Two totally different thing.

Last edited by Macbeth (2011-03-22 17:44:09)

Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Sorry, realise it's abu ghraib but I'm a bit sleepy at the moment so I had this idea that we were discussing gitmo.
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7048|Noizyland

Abu Ghraib prison was, loosely speaking, an institution established by the Bush administration which did not seem to regulate the conduct of the guards and the conditions of the facility leading to behavior that caused outrage. This is a disgusting and sick act by a rogue group of soldiers. The two things are different - but no less shocking. I point out the difference simply to show why the Bush administration copped some flack for Abu Ghraib while the Obama administration is unlikely to cop flak for this.

I don't know why there is little outrage over this. Maybe it's just because people are immune to this stuff which is pretty concerning. Maybe it's because it's the belief that this is an isolated incident. The former seems most likely, with the US media, (both liberally slanted and conservatively slanted,) the news is determined by what's sell-able. I'm guessing that they don't think their viewers care to see more atrocities by the military in the middle-east.
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ghettoperson
Member
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Shifty, you are honestly too dumb to make fun of. Having said that, I'm still going to do so.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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I wonder who it was that coined the darkly humorous name, 'Grab an Arab Prison.'
lowing
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ghettoperson wrote:

lowing wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Moved to DST as requested. Also deleted EE junk and bad link stuff.
thank you. I felt like I walked in on a teenage girl sleepover. didn't mean to interrupt EE.

Sorry for the intrusion ladies.
Slightly confused, and then aroused?
just to ease your confusion, I accidentally posted this OP in EE, only to be warned by Jay with a stern message to get out of EE and back into DST.
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5747|Ventura, California
Hey genius, check out what some of the people who were POWs for the baddies had done to them.

Abu Ghraib was a freaking tea party.

Edit: I can see how misleading my posts are. Let me further develop my thoughts.

I'm not attempting to insinuate that Abu Ghraib wasn't torture or condone the actions of the MPs, I'm just pointing out how pathetic some people can be in villinizing an entire country/military when our boys go through much worse, and hence, this can be compared to as a tea party as opposed to what our guys went through.

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2011-03-22 22:36:22)

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Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
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lol dst
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UnkleRukus
That Guy
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

Hey genius, check out what some of the people who were POWs for the baddies had done to them.

Abu Ghraib was a freaking tea party.

Edit: I can see how misleading my posts are. Let me further develop my thoughts.

I'm not attempting to insinuate that Abu Ghraib wasn't torture or condone the actions of the MPs, I'm just pointing out how pathetic some people can be in villinizing an entire country/military when our boys go through much worse, and hence, this can be compared to as a tea party as opposed to what our guys went through.
Stop defending, all sides do terrible things in war. There is no gray area, it's either good or bad.
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-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
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Tbh, I was not aware of this happening, partially because I was under the impression that only Islamic Radicals treated civillians this way. Not American Soilders....

On a serious note, probably haven't heard much of it since radiation and tsunami scares, Lybia, and Charlie Sheen are the big cash cows for the "media" atm.

Hopefully something is done about it swiftly and harshly to set an example of why behavior like this is unnaccpetable.

Also Shifty, jesus, you wonder why people bag on you. What do you mean "our guys", living in america does not make you american! Also, are you under the impression that only American soilders have been tortured during war times?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6963|Tampa Bay Florida
Where is the media?  Stupid question... in Libya and Japan.

But no, seriously, you're right, its a mass left wing communist media conspiracy that no one seems to have noticed.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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lowing wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians
Found this on the net along with a question: Where is the outrage?

Pictures of Abu Ghraib came to define Iraq and demonized Bush for the liberals. Those were pictures of soldiers posing in front of prisoners.

There pictures are of soldiers posing in front of dead civilians they had killed as part of Obama's Afghanistan. Now, where are the liberals with their outrage and disdain for Obama? Where is the media crucifying the president?
Abu Graib was carried out on the instructions of Rumsfeld and Cheney, under CIA supervision, Bush gave tacit approval.

I'm not sure Obama instructed that Afghan civilians should be treated this way.
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ghettoperson
Member
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Spearhead wrote:

Where is the media?  Stupid question... in Libya and Japan.

But no, seriously, you're right, its a mass left wing communist media conspiracy that no one seems to have noticed.
This seems like the obvious answer really. There are much bigger stories going on right now. Were there nothing, I'm quite sure this would much more widely discussed.

Having said that, it tends to lose its impact after the first time it happens. Abu Ghraib was a shock, because no one thought Coalition troops would perform such actions. Now that we know it goes on, it's less surprising to hear it happen again, and therefore of less interest for the media.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6924|USA

Nic wrote:

Tbh, I was not aware of this happening, partially because I was under the impression that only Islamic Radicals treated civillians this way. Not American Soilders....

On a serious note, probably haven't heard much of it since radiation and tsunami scares, Lybia, and Charlie Sheen are the big cash cows for the "media" atm.

Hopefully something is done about it swiftly and harshly to set an example of why behavior like this is unnaccpetable.

Also Shifty, jesus, you wonder why people bag on you. What do you mean "our guys", living in america does not make you american! Also, are you under the impression that only American soilders have been tortured during war times?
No you don't have to be a radical Muslim to do shit like this, an embarrassed Muslim father will be just fine. ( hey, you brought it up)


As pointed out, this shit happened long before Japan or Libya, they are already in trial. Not even any courtroom drama. Hard to deny the difference between coverages of these far worse crimes and those of Abu Ghraib.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6924|USA

ghettoperson wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Where is the media?  Stupid question... in Libya and Japan.

But no, seriously, you're right, its a mass left wing communist media conspiracy that no one seems to have noticed.
This seems like the obvious answer really. There are much bigger stories going on right now. Were there nothing, I'm quite sure this would much more widely discussed.

Having said that, it tends to lose its impact after the first time it happens. Abu Ghraib was a shock, because no one thought Coalition troops would perform such actions. Now that we know it goes on, it's less surprising to hear it happen again, and therefore of less interest for the media.
Never was a story, even though it happened long before Japan.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6948|Canberra, AUS
The story only broke a few days ago...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6684|'Murka

From what I've heard in news reports on this, the photos got to der Speigel as a result of the investigation and prosecution of these douchebags.

That would be the difference and, to me, why there's no reason for outrage. Some people did some horrible things. They are being prosecuted for it. It's not like it was being covered up by anyone (a la Abu Ghraib). Someone blew the whistle on the team, the DoD investigated and started prosecutorial proceedings against them.

As far as trying to keep the pictures from public view? I don't see a problem with it. What purpose does it serve, except to inflame hatred for Americans in general when it wasn't Americans in general who performed these acts? It was an isolated incident that was investigated and prosecuted as soon as it was discovered--a singularly important aspect that is completely missed/overlooked in the reporting's pursuit of headlines.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6924|USA

Spark wrote:

The story only broke a few days ago...
How can this be in the trial stage right now, and the story "just broke"? It is downplayed, though it is far more atrocious than anything that happened in Abu Ghraib. Even if they did the exact same thing in Abu Ghraib, at least they would have done it to prisoners and not innocent civilians.

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