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2011-03-24 08:54:57
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well is there not an argument for that in the context of maintaining a national identity? France is FRANCE..It isn't the USA who found its roots made up of people from all over the world
I don't even know where to begin... what? No, there is no argument. None. Having pride in national identity does not enable racism, who the hell is he to decide that Sarkozy is a 'foreigner' and he's a real frenchman? And that's just merely based on Sarkozy's mixed ancestry, what's more french about him? Is it french to be a xenophobe? Is your national identity determined by wether or not your grand daddy was french?

I don't even understand your reasoning, how can you justify a feeling of superiority solely based on where your ancestors came from? "to preserve national identity"? Well, I can guarantee you that the national identity of France has been evolving continouosly since the dawn of time, so the very notion confuses me.

Isn't this the exact same reasoning on which the nobility of the middle ages justified their position?
Well first of all, being proud of your nation does not make you a racist, it also does not mean you think you are superior to anyone else. So maybe when you dispense of all that non-sense you can address what the guy is actually saying. He is French, he wants France to maintain it heritage, its skyline, its architecture.

It is not different than being a proud southerner in the states automatically makes you a white supremacist. It is not true.
2011-03-24 08:55:50
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6272|...
psht, I'm as pure as they come. Dutch/German all the way back to 1050... just that one occasion of spanish and french mixing in... curses!

I suppose Adolf must've felt deeply inferior when looking at his master race
inane little opines
2011-03-24 08:56:03
lowing
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Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:


Maybe not. You just want everyone else to be the same "American" as you.
lol yeah if you are going to live here, that is exactly what I want.
But I've lived here all my life. So have my parents. We're not the same "American" that you are. I'm not the same "American" that my neighbors are.

Bow out of this conversation. You're making yourself look more and more like an xenophobic ass with every post.
Your not the same American as me, or your neighbor? How so?
2011-03-24 08:56:37
Turquoise
O Canada
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Well, I guess if we want to get technical, we're all African.
2011-03-24 08:59:23
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:


lol yeah if you are going to live here, that is exactly what I want.
But I've lived here all my life. So have my parents. We're not the same "American" that you are. I'm not the same "American" that my neighbors are.

Bow out of this conversation. You're making yourself look more and more like an xenophobic ass with every post.
Your not the same American as me, or your neighbor? How so?
I have a different cultural and moral background than either of you. It would be impossible for either you or my neighbor to have the same beliefs as me unless you are me. Do you have the same genetic background as me? Did you grow up in my mom's house with me? No? Ok, then how can we possibly be the same? Are there certain commonalities that we can agree on? Sure. Don't shoot at me and I won't shoot at you. But I don't have a problem with two dudes fucking each other in the ass. Doesn't concern me in the slightest. Doesn't bother me if they want to get married and adopt a kid.

What you are demanding is universal agreement on everything remotely moral and it's just not going to happen. You're an idiot for even suggesting that it's possible or desirable.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 08:59:40
eleven bravo
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Im seeing a white girl.
Tu Stultus Es
2011-03-24 09:00:26
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

Im seeing a white girl.
lowing and friends will be along to see you shortly

https://americanfootsteps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/kkk.jpg
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 09:01:35
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

psht, I'm as pure as they come. Dutch/German all the way back to 1050... just that one occasion of spanish and french mixing in... curses!

I suppose Adolf must've felt deeply inferior when looking at his master race
All I am saying is, you have labeled the guy racist, or Nazi, based on a lack of an argument in addressing what he actually said. Never really read any arguments against him that didn't include racist, or nazi or some other insult.

You guys have a nasty habit of not providing a counter point, and deciding, accusations and insults are more than enough to carry your point of view.
2011-03-24 09:01:58
eleven bravo
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Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Im seeing a white girl.
lowing and friends will be along to see you shortly

https://americanfootsteps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/kkk.jpg
i got something for that
https://www.electricscotland.com/thomson/images/21.7%20contras-.gif

Last edited by eleven bravo (2011-03-24 09:02:51)

Tu Stultus Es
2011-03-24 09:04:10
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Im seeing a white girl.
lowing and friends will be along to see you shortly

http://americanfootsteps.files.wordpres … 08/kkk.jpg
i got something for that
http://www.electricscotland.com/thomson … ntras-.gif
FARC that.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 09:04:13
lowing
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Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:


But I've lived here all my life. So have my parents. We're not the same "American" that you are. I'm not the same "American" that my neighbors are.

Bow out of this conversation. You're making yourself look more and more like an xenophobic ass with every post.
Your not the same American as me, or your neighbor? How so?
I have a different cultural and moral background than either of you. It would be impossible for either you or my neighbor to have the same beliefs as me unless you are me. Do you have the same genetic background as me? Did you grow up in my mom's house with me? No? Ok, then how can we possibly be the same? Are there certain commonalities that we can agree on? Sure. Don't shoot at me and I won't shoot at you. But I don't have a problem with two dudes fucking each other in the ass. Doesn't concern me in the slightest. Doesn't bother me if they want to get married and adopt a kid.

What you are demanding is universal agreement on everything remotely moral and it's just not going to happen. You're an idiot for even suggesting that it's possible or desirable.
We don't have to be the same, however if we live in the same society than the rules of that society apply to us the same ( or should).

I don't "have a problem with 2 dudes fucking each other in the ass" either or if they want to get married and adopt a kid. All of that goes towards not treading on my neighbors.
2011-03-24 09:05:12
lowing
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Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Im seeing a white girl.
lowing and friends will be along to see you shortly

http://americanfootsteps.files.wordpres … 08/kkk.jpg
appreciate that Jay. If anyone here is full of hate, it is you my friend

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-24 09:05:58)

2011-03-24 09:05:31
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:


Your not the same American as me, or your neighbor? How so?
I have a different cultural and moral background than either of you. It would be impossible for either you or my neighbor to have the same beliefs as me unless you are me. Do you have the same genetic background as me? Did you grow up in my mom's house with me? No? Ok, then how can we possibly be the same? Are there certain commonalities that we can agree on? Sure. Don't shoot at me and I won't shoot at you. But I don't have a problem with two dudes fucking each other in the ass. Doesn't concern me in the slightest. Doesn't bother me if they want to get married and adopt a kid.

What you are demanding is universal agreement on everything remotely moral and it's just not going to happen. You're an idiot for even suggesting that it's possible or desirable.
We don't have to be the same, however if we live in the same society than the rules of that society apply to us the same ( or should).

I don't "have a problem with 2 dudes fucking each other in the ass" either or if they want to get married and adopt a kid. All of that goes towards not treading on my neighbors.
But you would outlaw abortion if given the opportunity.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 09:06:00
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6272|...

lowing wrote:

He is French, he wants France to maintain it heritage, its skyline, its architecture.
I'm sure he must've hated Napoleon's guts because the man was an italian.

Yet a major defining force in what french identity has been ever since, this seems to be acceptable - his current president is, however, a foreigner.

....

Last edited by Shocking (2011-03-24 09:06:26)

inane little opines
2011-03-24 09:06:45
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6924|USA

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:


I have a different cultural and moral background than either of you. It would be impossible for either you or my neighbor to have the same beliefs as me unless you are me. Do you have the same genetic background as me? Did you grow up in my mom's house with me? No? Ok, then how can we possibly be the same? Are there certain commonalities that we can agree on? Sure. Don't shoot at me and I won't shoot at you. But I don't have a problem with two dudes fucking each other in the ass. Doesn't concern me in the slightest. Doesn't bother me if they want to get married and adopt a kid.

What you are demanding is universal agreement on everything remotely moral and it's just not going to happen. You're an idiot for even suggesting that it's possible or desirable.
We don't have to be the same, however if we live in the same society than the rules of that society apply to us the same ( or should).

I don't "have a problem with 2 dudes fucking each other in the ass" either or if they want to get married and adopt a kid. All of that goes towards not treading on my neighbors.
But you would outlaw abortion if given the opportunity.
but no I wouldn't...got plenty of posts reflecting that.
2011-03-24 09:08:00
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

He is French, he wants France to maintain it heritage, its skyline, its architecture.
I'm sure he must've hated Napoleon's guts because the man was an italian.

Yet a major defining force in what french identity has been ever since, this seems to be acceptable - his current president is, however, a foreigner.

....
Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
2011-03-24 09:09:15
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6272|...

lowing wrote:

Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
He cherry picks his "french identity". Do you not see why that is a faulty argument to begin with?
inane little opines
2011-03-24 09:12:07
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
He cherry picks his "french identity". Do you not see why that is a faulty argument to begin with?
There is an argument for that, does not automatically make him a racist.....Don't look now, but you are building an argument against his POV, WITHOUT insulting him or throwing accusations. Congrats.
2011-03-24 09:14:44
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

He is French, he wants France to maintain it heritage, its skyline, its architecture.
I'm sure he must've hated Napoleon's guts because the man was an italian.

Yet a major defining force in what french identity has been ever since, this seems to be acceptable - his current president is, however, a foreigner.

....
Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
I already raped and pillaged his argument.

There is no such thing as French culture as a monolith. If anything, it's a derivation, a point in time. Every culture is constantly evolving. France is not the same country that it was in the 1950s, let alone the 1650s. The language has evolved. The food has evolved. The genetic pool has evolved. Maybe the borders have largely stayed the same, and yes, some rural areas are probably homogeneous enough that they can trace their inbred history back centuries, but they weren't always French. Before being French, they were Celts or Franks or Romans, or god forbid, Moors.

The entire concept of being a pure blood or having a purified culture is completely flawed. As shocking put it so aptly, he's cherry picking what he wants to define as French.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 09:15:35
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6272|...

lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
He cherry picks his "french identity". Do you not see why that is a faulty argument to begin with?
There is an argument for that, does not automatically make him a racist.....Don't look now, but you are building an argument against his POV, WITHOUT insulting him or throwing accusations. Congrats.

wiki wrote:

Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1][2][3] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
By claiming that foreigners living in France affects French culture negatively doesn't it mean that you view your own kin as being superior within a closed environment?
inane little opines
2011-03-24 09:15:39
eleven bravo
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friggin' gauls
Tu Stultus Es
2011-03-24 09:16:20
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

friggin' gauls
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 09:17:09
lowing
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+1,662|6924|USA

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:


I'm sure he must've hated Napoleon's guts because the man was an italian.

Yet a major defining force in what french identity has been ever since, this seems to be acceptable - his current president is, however, a foreigner.

....
Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
I already raped and pillaged his argument.

There is no such thing as French culture as a monolith. If anything, it's a derivation, a point in time. Every culture is constantly evolving. France is not the same country that it was in the 1950s, let alone the 1650s. The language has evolved. The food has evolved. The genetic pool has evolved. Maybe the borders have largely stayed the same, and yes, some rural areas are probably homogeneous enough that they can trace their inbred history back centuries, but they weren't always French. Before being French, they were Celts or Franks or Romans, or god forbid, Moors.

The entire concept of being a pure blood or having a purified culture is completely flawed. As shocking put it so aptly, he's cherry picking what he wants to define as French.
He is defining French as being what he has identified as being French, and I am sure that does not include mosques, foot washing stations, and burka filled streets. Probably the jest of his argument, I really don't know.
2011-03-24 09:17:46
eleven bravo
Member
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lowing wrote:

I really don't know.
QFT
Tu Stultus Es
2011-03-24 09:18:45
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5631|London, England

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:


Whatever, build an argument against his POV with that, just don't call him a racist and let that be that.
I already raped and pillaged his argument.

There is no such thing as French culture as a monolith. If anything, it's a derivation, a point in time. Every culture is constantly evolving. France is not the same country that it was in the 1950s, let alone the 1650s. The language has evolved. The food has evolved. The genetic pool has evolved. Maybe the borders have largely stayed the same, and yes, some rural areas are probably homogeneous enough that they can trace their inbred history back centuries, but they weren't always French. Before being French, they were Celts or Franks or Romans, or god forbid, Moors.

The entire concept of being a pure blood or having a purified culture is completely flawed. As shocking put it so aptly, he's cherry picking what he wants to define as French.
He is defining French as being what he has identified as being French, and I am sure that does not include mosques, foot washing stations, and burka filled streets. Probably the jest of his argument, I really don't know.
And what makes him the arbiter of all that is French?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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