the arab league wants the price of oil to bubble. thats why we are involved in libya
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To be honest I've never seen a dicator go so crazy on his own populace before, he's got hardly any support and a lot of his firepower/support comes from foreign mercs who come from sub saharan Africa and eastern Europe, they don't give a shit about anything they just want money.
There was a clear line between him and the rebels and it seemed like a vast majority of them Libyans wanted him gone and were getting their arse kicked for it.
Same shit is going on in Yemen and Bahrain though, but just not on such a big scale. The guy was using jets to bomb shit.
That and the country is on Europe's doorstep/Mediterranean sea. There was support from the UN and Arab League/African Union but they really seem to have done an almost unashamedly stab in the back and are now against this. That's just funny is all I can say
There was a clear line between him and the rebels and it seemed like a vast majority of them Libyans wanted him gone and were getting their arse kicked for it.
Same shit is going on in Yemen and Bahrain though, but just not on such a big scale. The guy was using jets to bomb shit.
That and the country is on Europe's doorstep/Mediterranean sea. There was support from the UN and Arab League/African Union but they really seem to have done an almost unashamedly stab in the back and are now against this. That's just funny is all I can say
Yeah especially when they pull the usual shit that happens in the ME sacrifice civilians fo4 headlines and propaganda against the west11 Bravo wrote:
more civs will die due to us "protecting them" then if we had just left it alone
great....lobbing missiles at gadaffy compound. no what zone?
Oh lol, msnbc is playing out that Obama is doing a good job blablablah and leading the way. You mean the same president who was originally against a No Fly Zone but changed his mind because the UN thought it was a good idea?
I don't see USA as being leaders at the moment, read above the quote. ^Ty wrote:
As to why the International community is involved it's because for once it wants to take a stand against something awful. It seems lessons have been learned from Rwanda.
As the why the US is involved... I have no idea. I mean I see it as a good thing but I don't see why other global powers can't do their part instead of it falling to the US armed forces. Again.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
They could do that easily without attacking Libya.eleven bravo wrote:
the arab league wants the price of oil to bubble. thats why we are involved in libya
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If we stayed out of it then their arguments would be in vain. The media, no matter the nation or the region, will always try to spin/splice the truthful stories into some sort of fiction.lowing wrote:
Yeah especially when they pull the usual shit that happens in the ME sacrifice civilians fo4 headlines and propaganda against the west11 Bravo wrote:
more civs will die due to us "protecting them" then if we had just left it alone
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"Senior coalition military official confirms that British submarines fired two missiles at Muammar al-Qaddafi’s Tripoli compound, but that the leader was not the target."
er.. but if we just happen to kill him, whatever, eh?
er.. but if we just happen to kill him, whatever, eh?
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Honestly, if we do kill him, the whole government resistance will probably fall apart, which means no stalemate. Worst case is it doesn't fall apart, yet hes still dead. So either way its a win-win.Kmar wrote:
"Senior coalition military official confirms that British submarines fired two missiles at Muammar al-Qaddafi’s Tripoli compound, but that the leader was not the target."
er.. but if we just happen to kill him, whatever, eh?
I say keep it as it is. If we didn't have such a massive military then we'd get run over. I'm just glad there are no ground troops over there. Sure launch a few missiles and help out but that's the most we should do.Shocking wrote:
I think most americans would have no objection to cutting the defense budget by at least 2%, tbh.
iirc libya (mogaf) was helping us round up militants. Because of that it's reasonable to think that some of the rebels are anti-western militants themselves. If so, face palm.Commie Killer wrote:
Honestly, if we do kill him, the whole government resistance will probably fall apart, which means no stalemate. Worst case is it doesn't fall apart, yet hes still dead. So either way its a win-win.Kmar wrote:
"Senior coalition military official confirms that British submarines fired two missiles at Muammar al-Qaddafi’s Tripoli compound, but that the leader was not the target."
er.. but if we just happen to kill him, whatever, eh?
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fixed.eleven bravo wrote:
the arab league wants free and the brave want their "global economy"-scheme, largely based on the price of oil to bubble be controllable. thats why we are involved in libya
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
So soldiers enforcing a ground ceasefire should just shoot dead every male of military age? To not do it would be abysmally stupid.FEOS wrote:
C2 and air defenses endanger those executing the NFZ. It has been done in every NFZ operation executed. To not do it would be abysmally stupid.Dilbert_X wrote:
And I predicted it would happen before the NFZ was announced.FEOS wrote:
C2 and air defenses have to be taken down to ensure the NFZ doesn't get mucked with.
People have been saying that since the NFZ has started to be discussed, Dilbert.
Announcing a NFZ doesn't give the right to flatten everything on the ground which emits a radio signal.
Its a no-fly zone, not a no-radar zone.
In Bosnia did we wipe out every armoured fighting vehicle in advance of enforcing a ceasefire?
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Fuck Israel
Its crystal clear that once again the objective is regime change - WMDs and protecting civilians are fig leaves.11 Bravo wrote:
great....lobbing missiles at gadaffy compound. no what zone?
Why here? Why not Zimbabwe, Burma other countries?
Saddam and Gadaffi both had oil and both supported the PLO. Coincidence?
Fuck Israel
I agree.. fcn french startin shit again.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its crystal clear that once again the objective is regime change - WMDs and protecting civilians are fig leaves.11 Bravo wrote:
great....lobbing missiles at gadaffy compound. no what zone?
Why here? Why not Zimbabwe, Burma other countries?
Saddam and Gadaffi both had oil and both supported the PLO. Coincidence?
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The French started this?
The US is leading at present.
The last sentence is interesting, we've basically entered a civil war and taken a side.
The US is leading at present.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/124722/2 … uccess.htmThe Pentagon expects to hand over control of allied military operations in Libya "in a matter of days", US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said.
Control would likely go to either to a UK-France coalition or to Nato, Gates said, speaking on a US military plane en route to Russia.
"I think this is basically going to have to be resolved by the Libyans themselves," he said. "Whether or not there is additional outside help for the rebels I think remains to be seen."
The last sentence is interesting, we've basically entered a civil war and taken a side.
Exactly, imposing a no-fly zone and bombing ground targets are not the same thing.The head of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, said Sunday he had requested an emergency meeting of the 22-nation voluntary group. The Arab League had show support for the establishment of a no-fly zone over the country. U.S. officials had said that bombing of Libyan air defenses were essential to establishing the zone.
Moussa said the bombings had "led to the deaths and injuries of many Libyan civilians."
"What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone, and what we want is the protection of civilians and not the bombardment of more civilians," Egypt's state news agency quoted him as saying, according to Reuters.
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Fuck Israel
but the French went in first and destroyed some tanks
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Yes, they launched the first wave.Dilbert_X wrote:
The French started this?
The US is leading at present.
It's a coalition. It makes sense for the most experienced (in recent history) force in the region to coordinate the operation.
The last reported coalition military action was British submarines firing two missiles at Muammar al-Qaddafi’s Tripoli compound. The French and British are currently patrolling the nfz. Canada is about to join them.
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Well, gee.. this is noteworthy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
BBC wrote:
Foreign Secretary, William Hague, tells BBC that Colonel Gaddafi could be a coaltion target depending on the 'circumstances'
Human shields?.. and so..BBC wrote:
More on the air strike on Col Gaddafi's compound in Tripoli. The BBC's Allan Little in the Libyan capital reports: "The compound had filled up with enthusiastic admirers of Col Gaddafi only the previous day. Civilians said they were ready to die with him if necessary. It's not known whether any of them were still in the compound when the missile struck. A Libyan government spokesman said it was proof the allies were targeting non-military locations.
10 minutes ago the BBC wrote:
Britain's ministry of defence says RAF Tornados have aborted a bombing mission over Libya because there were civilians in the target area. It says the aircraft returned to RAF Marham in Norfolk on Monday morning.
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Sounds like they were just looking for an excuse to complain about the US & Co. That or they didn't consider that enforcing a no-fly zone might actually involve getting rid of stuff that can shoot your planes down.Shocking wrote:
Just now on the TV behind me;
"Arab states criticize western military action, states it wanted protection of civillians, not bombing"
Is this like a giant 'stab-you-in-the-back' campaign?
They knew exactly what would happen. They are just trying to play both sides, supporting the NFZ but criticising the bombing so no matter the outcome they can say "well we told them what would happen" or "great job everybody, highfives all round".Pubic wrote:
Sounds like they were just looking for an excuse to complain about the US & Co. That or they didn't consider that enforcing a no-fly zone might actually involve getting rid of stuff that can shoot your planes down.Shocking wrote:
Just now on the TV behind me;
"Arab states criticize western military action, states it wanted protection of civillians, not bombing"
Is this like a giant 'stab-you-in-the-back' campaign?
yupDilbert_X wrote:
Its crystal clear that once again the objective is regime change - WMDs and protecting civilians are fig leaves.11 Bravo wrote:
great....lobbing missiles at gadaffy compound. no what zone?
LOL OK. There was no need for America to be involved, at all.Kmar wrote:
It's a coalition. It makes sense for the most experienced (in recent history) force in the region to coordinate the operation.
Fuck Israel
fxdDilbert_X wrote:
There was no need for anyone to be involved, at all.
Illogical connection, as the threat is different.Dilbert_X wrote:
So soldiers enforcing a ground ceasefire should just shoot dead every male of military age? To not do it would be abysmally stupid.FEOS wrote:
C2 and air defenses endanger those executing the NFZ. It has been done in every NFZ operation executed. To not do it would be abysmally stupid.Dilbert_X wrote:
And I predicted it would happen before the NFZ was announced.
Announcing a NFZ doesn't give the right to flatten everything on the ground which emits a radio signal.
Its a no-fly zone, not a no-radar zone.
No. I don't understand why the French decided to take out armor while enforcing a NFZ, except if the armor was attacking civilians. Of course, I don't see how they could know that, without troops on the ground to tell them that and provide terminal control on the specific armor that was doing the attacking. The ground attacks on armor seem out of bounds to me.Dilbert_X wrote:
In Bosnia did we wipe out every armoured fighting vehicle in advance of enforcing a ceasefire?
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