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Gilbert Gottfried was never my cup of tea. I prefer the cool paradoxes of Steven Wright, say, to Gottfried’s squinty, barking dog comic routine, though he was funny in the delightfully filthy documentary “The Aristocrats.”

His squawk made him perfect for the voice of the Aflac duck, mascot for the insurance giant, which promptly canned Gottfried on Monday over tweets he sent cracking crude jokes about the Japanese earthquake and tsunami.

“Japan is really advanced,” he wrote in one of the more printable efforts. “They don’t go to the beach. The beach comes to them.”

When firing Gottfried, Aflac placed the jokes squarely beyond the pale of humanity.

“There is no place for anything but compassion and concern during these difficult times,” said Michael Zuna, a senior VP and chief marketing officer for Aflac.

Really? No place? No place at all? Because my understanding is that every tragedy in the history of the world quickly becomes the butt of jokes, and humor is especially important to those trying to survive the most extreme and awful circumstances.

Slaves in chains joked about their masters. Jews in Auschwitz put on vaudeville shows.

“Wit produced on the precipice of hell was not frivolity, but psychological necessity,” Steve Lipman writes in Laughter in Hell: The Use of Humor During the Holocaust. “ ‘We kept our morale through humor,’ says Emil Fachenheim, an Auschwitz survivor.”

In public, the right to joke is reserved for those most affected: Gottfried did not lose his children to a tsunami and thus can’t make jokes. To live as a slave or in a concentration camp and joke about your condition is not the same as us making jokes about either today.

And yet. Are we all not also affected by this, to a far milder but still real degree, as fellow humans? It’s been nearly a week since the Japan earthquake and tsunami hit. The world has been processing a continuously unfolding horror — uncounted thousands dead, far more homeless, plus crippled reactors on the brink of full-blown catastrophe. I’m not so sure that cracking a joke at some point isn’t a natural human response, as opposed to maintaining an unwavering expression of generic anguish and continual pro forma concern.

People joke — part of the issue here is how technology has blurred the line between public and private. I’m sure Gottfried didn’t realize he was quitting his Aflac gig when he made those tweets; his timing was off and, as a comic should know, timing is everything.

Private laughter is inevitable, especially during tragedies. I laughed over the situation in Japan, and I’ll tell you exactly when: It was when news broke about the volcano. It just seemed to be cruel fate turning the knife one twist too many. An earthquake. A tsunami. Pending nuclear disaster. And now an erupting volcano. You have to laugh, don’t you?

“Jeez,” I said out loud to myself, with an amazed, sardonic chuckle, “Poor Japan. What’s next — a hail of burning frogs?”

Does that make me a bad person? Indifferent to the plight of the Japanese? Should the paper fire me, too, for printing that just now?

I would suggest that, while you’re always safe with nodding solemnity, laughter is what people who are themselves under the lash of fate find true comfort in.
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People joke — part of the issue here is how technology has blurred the line between public and private. I’m sure Gottfried didn’t realize he was quitting his Aflac gig when he made those tweets; his timing was off and, as a comic should know, timing is everything.

Private laughter is inevitable, especially during tragedies. I laughed over the situation in Japan, and I’ll tell you exactly when: It was when news broke about the volcano. It just seemed to be cruel fate turning the knife one twist too many. An earthquake. A tsunami. Pending nuclear disaster. And now an erupting volcano. You have to laugh, don’t you?

“Jeez,” I said out loud to myself, with an amazed, sardonic chuckle, “Poor Japan. What’s next — a hail of burning frogs?”

Does that make me a bad person? Indifferent to the plight of the Japanese? Should the paper fire me, too, for printing that just now?

I would suggest that, while you’re always safe with nodding solemnity, laughter is what people who are themselves under the lash of fate find true comfort in.
The French editor Jean-Dominique Bauby suffered a brain stem stroke in 1995 that left him completely paralyzed. All he could do was flutter his left eyelid, which he used to dictate the bittersweet, haunting memoir The Diving Bell and the Butterfly.

In it, he is parked every day in front of a glass case at a hospital on the Norman Coast, facing a marble bust of the Empress Eugenie.

Eventually he notices his own reflection:

“An unknown face interposed itself between us. Reflected in the glass I saw the head of a man who seemed to have emerged from a vat of formaldehyde. His mouth was twisted, his nose damaged, his hair tousled, his gaze full of fear. One eye was sewn shut, the other goggled...

“Whereupon a strange euphoria came over me. Not only was I exiled, paralyzed, mute, half deaf, deprived of all pleasures and reduced to the existence of a jellyfish, but I was also horrible to behold. There comes a time when the heaping up of calamities brings on uncontrollable nervous laughter — when, after a final blow from fate, we decide to treat it all as a joke. My jovial cackling at first disconcerted Eugenie, until she herself was infected by my mirth. We laughed until we cried.”
That is sometimes all you can do in a world where horror and humor blur into one.

“Our house is gone,” said Kyoko Nambu, 49, as she gazed at Soma, her ruined hometown, “and now they are telling us to stay indoors.”
Do not post jokes. The topic is about the social acceptability of relevant comedy during a tragedy.
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It's quite tasteless and the same kind of jokes circulated right after the Tsunami in 2004 ...

I can tolerate such jokes told between coworkers and friends ... putting it on FB, Twitter etc etc is a totally different matter ...
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Varegg wrote:

a totally different matter ...
Explain please.
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Hmmm. I think the author of that piece fails to understand while his examples used humour as a coping mechanism, this is not and is just in bad taste - completely different. You're not trying to cope with anything, you're just exploiting misery for a cheap wisecrack.

Will not comment at this stage on the appropriateness of the response, but I think that this most certainly was in poor taste.
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One British comedian 'Jimmy Carr' says he dosent give offence, people take it.

He does step over the line but hopefully he wouldnt crack what he thinks are jokes about this kind of disaster
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Too soon?
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Spark wrote:

Hmmm. I think the author of that piece fails to understand while his examples used humour as a coping mechanism, this is not and is just in bad taste - completely different. You're not trying to cope with anything, you're just exploiting misery for a cheap wisecrack.

Will not comment at this stage on the appropriateness of the response, but I think that this most certainly was in poor taste.
Gilbert, a professional comic, has probably used comedy to deal with everything in his life. That doesn't mean he was not concerned for the Japanese people (as the Aflac person implied). I'm sure telling a joke is his natural instinct, and it may be all he knows. Writers write about what moves them emotionally.. singers sing .. and comedians tell jokes. I'm not saying that I agree with it. But I also don't think that firing him was called for neither.
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Kmar wrote:

Varegg wrote:

a totally different matter ...
Explain please.
Quite obvious really ...

Whatever you put on the internet is meant for everybody in the world to see, it's like telling a tsunami-joke to a tsunami survivor that just lost his/her family ...

Telling a tsunami-joke at work or to a friend is an exchange of words between a small group of people not meant for the rest of the world ...
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So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
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I laughed at his splitting joke but this is really just the wrong time. You don't make jokes about tragedies like that just days after they occurred.
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Kmar wrote:

So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
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Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
I understand its a token of respect... a fictious one.
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Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
Did Gilbert tell those jokes directly to someones face?


There is not one single example not one, of a topic issue or tragedy that has been deemed untouchable. I defy anyone to give an example of such a topic.

As far as Gilbert Godfried goes, he shoulda been fired on day one of his comedy routine. He is an annoying twit, always has been and has never been "funny"
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lowing wrote:

As far as Gilbert Godfried goes, he shoulda been fired on day one of his comedy routine. He is an annoying twit, always has been and has never been "funny"
Not really relevant, he actually has a fan base.. but like the man said, he's not my cup of tea.
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Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

As far as Gilbert Godfried goes, he shoulda been fired on day one of his comedy routine. He is an annoying twit, always has been and has never been "funny"
Not really relevant, he actually has a fan base.. but like the man said, he's not my cup of tea.
Just saying, there are 101 reasons to fire that dumb shit, before you get to his "tasteless jokes."
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Kmar wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
I understand its a token of respect... a fictious one.
Why is it fictious?
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Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Varegg wrote:

That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
I understand its a token of respect... a fictious one.
Why is it fictious?
Oh oh oh can I answer??

For the same reason you love laughing at a funny racist jokes but never around the person whose race is being targeted in the joke.

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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

So you just don't want them to know you're secretly laughing at their expense.
That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
Did Gilbert tell those jokes directly to someones face?
As soon as it is on the internet it litterally is the exact same thing ...
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


That's twisting it a tad but something like that ... and I wouldn't expect anything else on my own expense either, I would tolerate people telling cancerjokes if I should ever contract such a nasty thing myself but I wouldn't appriciate getting one told in my face ... that's the difference ...
Did Gilbert tell those jokes directly to someones face?
As soon as it is on the internet it litterally is the exact same thing ...
no it is not, to tell a cancer joke on the internet is not the same thing as telling a cancer joke to a person in the hospital bed dying of cancer.
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:


I understand its a token of respect... a fictious one.
Why is it fictious?
Oh oh oh can I answer??

For the same reason you love laugh at racist jokes but never around the person whose race is being targeted in the joke.
Not the same, that's situational ... I've told jokes that can be called racist to the target group, I have plenty of friends that belongs to other races and they all laugh when those jokes are told by me, others or even by themselves ...
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Why is it fictious?
Oh oh oh can I answer??

For the same reason you love laugh at racist jokes but never around the person whose race is being targeted in the joke.
Not the same, that's situational ... I've told jokes that can be called racist to the target group, I have plenty of friends that belongs to other races and they all laugh when those jokes are told by me, others or even by themselves ...
Have you told them around a stranger? Ya know, someone who you do not know or how they will react? Or would you laugh at such a joke around a stranger, who you did not know, or know how they would react? I doubt it on both counts. there is a difference.
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


Did Gilbert tell those jokes directly to someones face?
As soon as it is on the internet it litterally is the exact same thing ...
no it is not, to tell a cancer joke on the internet is not the same thing as telling a cancer joke to a person in the hospital bed dying of cancer.
Again it is situational ... maybe not a cancer joke but a tsunami joke clearly is as it stands right now ...

Keyword here is to use good judgement, and Gilbert didn't ...
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


Oh oh oh can I answer??

For the same reason you love laugh at racist jokes but never around the person whose race is being targeted in the joke.
Not the same, that's situational ... I've told jokes that can be called racist to the target group, I have plenty of friends that belongs to other races and they all laugh when those jokes are told by me, others or even by themselves ...
Have you told them around a stranger? Ya know, someone who you do not know or how they will react? Or would you laugh at such a joke around a stranger, who you did not know, or know how they would react? I doubt it on both counts. there is a difference.
I answered that in the previous post ... it's situational!
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


As soon as it is on the internet it litterally is the exact same thing ...
no it is not, to tell a cancer joke on the internet is not the same thing as telling a cancer joke to a person in the hospital bed dying of cancer.
Again it is situational ... maybe not a cancer joke but a tsunami joke clearly is as it stands right now ...

Keyword here is to use good judgement, and Gilbert didn't ...
Not the point, you said telling a joke on the internet is the same thing as telling the joke in person..It isn't and the cancer joke is an example of my point.

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