Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6241|...
Yes, there has been a partial meltdown a long time ago, there has to be because there's lots of hydrogen in the pressure releases, which, in turn - is causing explosions. (certain amount of oxygen + hydrogen + a spark (high temperature) = boom). If the core reaches very high temperatures it causes the cooling water to disassociate and split into hydrogen and oxygen, the higher the core temperature the more disassociation happens. To avoid a large buildup of both steam pressure and these gases, they have to open up the pressure valve once in a while.

Though, due to the large amount of hydrogen, every time they do this they risk an explosion. Those are the booms you're seeing. The core itself is not compromised as pressure release happens in another area.

In fact I believe most of the cores are stable, as they reported initial emergency shutdown procedures were largely successful - getting rid of the excess heat is a problem. The emergency shutdown happens via SCRAM (as kmar pointed out, thanks - I read that this is actually a safety precaution in almost all reactors these days) and injection of boron with the water circulation. SCRAM are moderator rods held outside of a reactor core with either electromagnets or electric motors. Once the power shuts down at an unexpected moment, these rods will instantly fall into the reactor because the electricity keeping them up vanishes. They cause neutrons and delayed neutrons (which cause nuclear reactions if they bump into the nuclear fuel, which in turn will create more neutrons because of that -> chain reaction) to decrease in speed, and thus have a much higher chance of reacting with other (non dangerous) substances than the fuel used in a nuclear reactor.

Once the emergency power supply is on line Boron, which is in a separate tank connected to the cooling system, is injected with the water circulation used to cool the core. Boron absorbs and attracts any remaining neutrons, there were problems in the first reactors that got in trouble because the emergency supply was washed away by the tsunami.

So the core is still very hot as neither SCRAM nor Boron act as a coolant, and perhaps a couple of neutrons are left reacting with the nuclear fuel because Boron injection stopped due to failure of the emergency power system. This is a problem because if Boron is not injected constantly or they ran out, the remaining neutrons may restart the nuclear chain reaction, and cause the core to once again heat up more.

So, that's basically what happened at the first nuclear plant that failed. They restarted the circulation process and by that time the core must have heat up enough to turn quite a bit of water into hydrogen. Furthermore, this plant was already 40 years old and probably didn't have the most up to date safety mechanics installed and this reactor was intended to go out of service later this month, the earthquake really struck at an unfortunate moment.

The other, newer plants that are in danger though - the story is a bit different there. Usually, there are two different types of nuclear fuel, UOX and MOX. The older plant used UOX fuel which is uranium dioxide. The newer plants used MOX, which is a mixture of uranium dioxide and plutonium. MOX fuel is more reactive than UOX fuel, and as such it's a lot harder to keep the nuclear chain reaction under control. These plants must have experienced the same problem as the first one, or even a very minor power outage, which caused the whole hydrogen production process by the core to get out of hand - and there's your explosive formula.

Hydrogen production can start up before a (partial) meltdown happens, yet due to the sheer amount and some rather large explosions, I think it's probably OK to assume that partial meltdowns have actually occurred.

Now, these explosions and sudden pressure releases also carry some radioactivity with them. But I wouldn't be all too worried about that either; nuclear reactors generally use filters to filter out the most of the radioactive isotopes. I don't think I'll have to explain the rest as you all already know that the released radioactivity isn't actually anywhere near lethal or even damaging.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-03-14 11:25:20)

inane little opines
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|6203|Places 'n such
It's them that suffers the consequences if this meltdown happens though, if I were in their position I'd be after all the help I could get.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6901|BC, Canada

presidentsheep wrote:

It's them that suffers the consequences if this meltdown happens though, if I were in their position I'd be after all the help I could get.
Dont worry, Japan has their shit on lock.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6863|London, England

burnzz wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

The media seem to be blowing this out of proportion, 8.9 is huge and the Tsunamis were big...but Japan has got this shit on lock.
more hype;

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8954/quakedamage.jpg

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5584 … 0d3538.jpg

10K dead in Japan amid fears of nuclear meltdowns
I'm saying Japan is an advanced enough country to be able to not completely collapse in lieu of this earthquake, which is exactly how things are going. Something like this has the potential to destroy nations. Japan is clearly not destroyed. Did Katrina destroy the US?

OrangeHound edit:  Personal attacks are bad, mkay?

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2011-03-14 12:06:10)

Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6909

Because 10K deaths (2/3rd of an entire town) gone missing isn't news.
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,741|6979|Cinncinatti
mek, youre only one person, and dont refer to yourself in the third person
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Pineapplewhat
+572|6901|BC, Canada

Ilocano wrote:

Because 10K deaths (2/3rd of an entire town) gone missing isn't news.
Totally blown out of proportion. On lock.
Kez
Member
+778|5945|London, UK
Another explosion at Fukushima, suppression pool potentially damaged
KuSTaV
noice
+947|6753|Gold Coast
Rods are exposed, 200k people evacuated.
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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6241|...
This whole ordeal has just flown past the impossible becoming possible. Worse, the impossible has been breached twice.

Nevertheless, this nuclear reactor still has quite a few impossibly breachable fail safes stacked on top of eachother that are still intact. Earthquakes, Tsunamis, power outages, explosions and now a crack in the reaction chamber - we're not done yet.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-03-14 18:00:22)

inane little opines
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5630|Fuck this.

Shocking wrote:

This whole ordeal has just flown past the impossible becoming possible. Worse, the impossible has been breached twice.

Nevertheless, this nuclear reactor still has quite a few impossibly breachable fail safes stacked on top of eachother that are still intact. Earthquakes, Tsunamis, power outages, explosions and now a crack in the reaction chamber - we're not done yet.
Don't forget the volcano.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Shocking wrote:

This whole ordeal has just flown past the impossible becoming possible. Worse, the impossible has been breached twice.

Nevertheless, this nuclear reactor still has quite a few impossibly breachable fail safes stacked on top of eachother that are still intact. Earthquakes, Tsunamis, power outages, explosions and now a crack in the reaction chamber - we're not done yet.
If this were in almost any other country we'd have already seen widespread looting and panic. Major props to the Japanese for remaining relatively calm and orderly.


Radiation measured at 400 times annual legal limit near No. 3 Fukushima reactor. Japan warned people within 30 km (18.6 miles) of the Fukushima plant to stay indoors.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6893|USA

Kmar wrote:

Shocking wrote:

This whole ordeal has just flown past the impossible becoming possible. Worse, the impossible has been breached twice.

Nevertheless, this nuclear reactor still has quite a few impossibly breachable fail safes stacked on top of eachother that are still intact. Earthquakes, Tsunamis, power outages, explosions and now a crack in the reaction chamber - we're not done yet.
If this were in almost any other country we'd have already seen widespread looting and panic. Major props to the Japanese for remaining relatively calm and orderly.


Radiation measured at 400 times annual legal limit near No. 3 Fukushima reactor. Japan warned people within 30 km (18.6 miles) of the Fukushima plant to stay indoors.
Ok for all of nuclear egg heads....WHat does this mean for global exposure? Is it a concern?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Globally no.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5943|College Park, MD
"Breaking News: Japan steps closer to a full-blown nuclear catastrophe"

man the Washington Post sure has alarmist email subject lines
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KuSTaV
noice
+947|6753|Gold Coast
Higher than normal radiation levels have reportedly been detected in Tokyo but the government says they're not high enough to affect human health.
http://www.news.com.au/world/magnitude- … 6019903430
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

"Breaking News: Japan steps closer to a full-blown nuclear catastrophe"

man the Washington Post sure has alarmist email subject lines
The New York post as well.. must be something about the word post.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Meltdown of 3 of 6 Reactors Imminent. Edano said a meltdown was "highly likely" at the three reactors – meaning a catastrophic failure of the reactor core that could lead to dangerous radiation leaks.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio … z1GdiQO82N
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Compare these tweets just 6 minutes apart
https://i.imgur.com/ybtEK.jpg

That is why I follow multiple outlets.
CBS is almost always the one that lags.. ABC is pretty bad as well.
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KuSTaV
noice
+947|6753|Gold Coast
Yeah I've seen some conflicting reports too.

Maybe we should stop being so up-to-date with everything, lol.
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6779|Long Island, New York

Kmar wrote:

Compare these tweets just 6 minutes apart
http://i.imgur.com/ybtEK.jpg

That is why I follow multiple outlets.
CBS is almost always the one that lags.. ABC is pretty bad as well.
It's also the post... they're the joke of NY papers around here. Same with the Daily News.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

KuSTaV wrote:

Yeah I've seen some conflicting reports too.

Maybe we should stop being so up-to-date with everything, lol.
You learn which ones to trust. For example a bunch just reported cold shut down was in progress at the troubled plants.. but it wasn't at the troubled plants it was at Daini. They reported Daiichi.
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BVC
Member
+325|6937
Just a small point, yes its bad but Japan has survived worse nuclear incidents than this - two of their cities were nuked in WW2, remember.

Last edited by Pubic (2011-03-14 21:46:56)

RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,741|6979|Cinncinatti
yea but besides the nuclear aspect these are 2 totally separate things...
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

wow.. more Japanese stations jumping on ustream

Central Command
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