Kmar
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The Florida Supreme Court ruled Friday that Gov. Rick Scott can reject $2.4 billion in federal money that would have funded a proposed high-speed rail system in the state.

The governor had made clear that he would reject the money, but two state senators -- a Democrat and Republican -- took him to court over that decision. They argued that he would overstep his executive authority and violate Florida's constitution if he did not accept the money, but the state's high court disagreed.

The court decision clears the way for Scott's administration to focus on projects other than high-speed rail, the governor's spokesman, Brian Burgess said."The governor is gratified that the court provided a clear and unanimous decision," Burgess said. "He is now focused on moving forward with infrastructure projects that create long-term jobs and turn Florida's economy around."
Scott had consistently opposed plans for an 84-mile-long high-speed rail line that would link Tampa and Orlando.

After meeting with Scott last week, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood had set Friday as the deadline for accepting the federal dollars to help pay for the project. Otherwise, the money would be redirected to other states.
The loss of the Florida project is seen by some as a direct blow to President Barack Obama's vision for a national high-speed rail network.
"I know that states across America are enthusiastic about receiving additional support to help bring America's high-speed rail network to life and deliver all its economic benefits to their citizens," LaHood said after speaking with Scott on Friday.
In 2009, the legislature created and funded the Florida Rail Enterprise to oversee the high-speed rail line. But in oral arguments before the court on Thursday, an attorney for the governor said no laws were violated.

The governor had stuck to his guns in recent weeks when questioned about his reasons for derailing the project.
"Our taxpayers aren't going to take the risk of the cost overrun of building it," according to Scott, who said the tab for the project could total $3 billion.

He had also expressed concerns about long-term operating costs.
"We already have a train that goes from Palm Beach to Miami," Scott said Sunday during in an interview with Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union." "Only one-sixth the cost of operations is covered by the fares."
But leaders in several of Florida's cities say they've eliminated all risk to taxpayers.
"We have addressed all of the governor's concerns," said Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio. "We have structured this so that if there were cost overruns the private sector would take care if it."

Iorio, along with the mayors of Orlando, Lakeland and Miami, signed an agreement that calls for local authorities to take over the project with the help of the private sector. They presented their plain to Scott Wednesday.

"If there are operational short falls -- private sector. This is a true public-private partnership," Iorio said. "This is what governors all across the country want and we had structured this in such a way that there would not be risk to the Florida taxpayers."
Enjoy your new train California.
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Dilbert_X
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Doesn't affect me in Australia.
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Uzique
dasein.
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does a mormon getting expelled from a small private institution in utah affect you in australia, then?
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lowing
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I love it. Anytime the govt. will sue you to take its money has got to mean something sinister is afoot with the govt., namely keeping private enterprise from flourishing
Kmar
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Doesn't affect me in Australia.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=132794
Have a ball.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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lowing wrote:

I love it. Anytime the govt. will sue you to take its money has got to mean something sinister is afoot with the govt., namely keeping private enterprise from flourishing
The courts pretty much said they don't want any part of this. The fact of the matter is that as governor of the state he does have the right to refuse federal funding.
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lowing
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Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

I love it. Anytime the govt. will sue you to take its money has got to mean something sinister is afoot with the govt., namely keeping private enterprise from flourishing
The courts pretty much said they don't want any part of this. The fact of the matter is that as governor of the state he does have the right to refuse federal funding.
Yup but when the govt. wants to sue you to take money you don't want......Have you heard of such a thing?
Dilbert_X
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Uzique wrote:

does a mormon getting expelled from a small private institution in utah affect you in australia, then?
I was interested in how all the libertarians here would view people signing away their fundamental freedoms.
Seems that rights most of the world think would not conceivably even be on the table for discussion are worth exchanging for a little advantage, to study at a better college run by end-of-times fruitcakes than whatever the alternative is.

This I think would have wider relevance than whether Florida gets a new train or not.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-05 04:38:20)

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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

does a mormon getting expelled from a small private institution in utah affect you in australia, then?
I was interested in how all the libertarians here would view people signing away their fundamental freedoms.
Seems that rights most of the world think would not conceivably even be on the table for discussion are worth exchanging for a little advantage, to study at a better college run by end-of-times fruitcakes than whatever the alternative is.

This I think would have wider relevance than whether Florida gets a new train or not.
How I view it....You are free to be as big an idiot as you so desire, you signed a contract to act a certain way, you broke that contract...The school was justified, what is there to debate?....answer in the other thread please. Will continue it there if you want
Dilbert_X
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The other thread was closed without explanation.
The question was what people thought about it, seems they are happy to give up their freedoms.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-05 04:45:01)

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Stop "derailing" my thread.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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lowing wrote:

Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

I love it. Anytime the govt. will sue you to take its money has got to mean something sinister is afoot with the govt., namely keeping private enterprise from flourishing
The courts pretty much said they don't want any part of this. The fact of the matter is that as governor of the state he does have the right to refuse federal funding.
Yup but when the govt. wants to sue you to take money you don't want......Have you heard of such a thing?
Just a few dems who want to ride the jobs train in and jump off when they can't maintain the rail or the jobs. Tampa can barely keep its trolly line running through downtown. Such a joke.
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lowing
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Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmar wrote:


The courts pretty much said they don't want any part of this. The fact of the matter is that as governor of the state he does have the right to refuse federal funding.
Yup but when the govt. wants to sue you to take money you don't want......Have you heard of such a thing?
Just a few dems who want to ride the jobs train in and jump off when they can't maintain the rail or the jobs. Tampa can barely keep its trolly line running through downtown. Such a joke.
exactly, and florida saw right through it. good for Florida.
Kmar
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We want sustainable jobs. The mayors of the cities involved are saying that the private sector is going to pick up the maintenace, but they have absolutely no solid evidence to back it. It's just a rediculous boondoggle. But nevertheless it will cost the governor votes in the next election.. the votes of the short sighted.
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lowing
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Kmar wrote:

We want sustainable jobs. The mayors of the cities involved are saying that the private sector is going to pick up the maintenace, but they have absolutely no solid evidence to back it. It's just a rediculous boondoggle. But nevertheless it will cost the governor votes in the next election.. the votes of the short sighted.
in short....liberal votes.
ROGUEDD
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Doesn't affect me in Australia.
Doesn't affect  me in the panhandle.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
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When I saw this thread, I had to fire up photoshop once again...

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Kmar
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ROGUEDD wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Doesn't affect me in Australia.
Doesn't affect  me in the panhandle.
Really? The backbone of your governor doesn't affect you? ..oh yea, you are in the land of rednecks. Get away from alabama asap.
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FEOS
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Kmar wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Doesn't affect me in Australia.
Doesn't affect  me in the panhandle.
Really? The backbone of your governor doesn't affect you? ..oh yea, you are in the land of rednecks. Get away from alabama asap.
East L.A.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
East Lower Alabama
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:

Kmar wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Doesn't affect  me in the panhandle.
Really? The backbone of your governor doesn't affect you? ..oh yea, you are in the land of rednecks. Get away from alabama asap.
East L.A.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
East Lower Alabama
He is from Freeport, which is just outside of Mobile, Al. I used to live in Pensacola, it's where I was born. Alabama is a swamp of mother lovin dumb. Ask Db, I think he lives in the panhandle as well.

But yea, I don't see how a high speed rail would benifit the incestous backwoodsman. Unless it were to shuttle them to and from their cousins house on date night.
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Jay
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Kmar wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Kmar wrote:


Really? The backbone of your governor doesn't affect you? ..oh yea, you are in the land of rednecks. Get away from alabama asap.
East L.A.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
East Lower Alabama
He is from Freeport, which is just outside of Mobile, Al. I used to live in Pensacola, it's where I was born. Alabama is a swamp of mother lovin dumb. Ask Db, I think he lives in the panhandle as well.

But yea, I don't see how a high speed rail would benifit the incestous backwoodsman. Unless it were to shuttle them to and from their cousins house on date night.
Are you for or against the train? I can't tell.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Really? .. look at my exchange with lowing. It's bullshit tax and spend. This forum has stimulus supporters. The point of this thread is that it got shot down.. and it has been ruled that the fed can not force the states to take the money. It's victory for states rights.

I don't think people understand the gravity of this. It could impact obamacare as well.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5632|London, England

Kmar wrote:

Really? .. look at my exchange with lowing. It's bullshit tax and spend. This forum has stimulus supporters. The point of this thread is that it got shot down.. and it has been ruled that the fed can not force the states to take the money. It's victory for states rights.

I don't think people understand the gravity of this. It could impact obamacare as well.
Obamacare won't stand anyway.


Surely this isn't the first time in history that a state has refused federal money. I seem to remember the governor of Texas doing it within the past two years.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

But the states senators took it to court, pressed the issue, and lost. There is legal precedent now.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6685|'Murka

Kmar wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Kmar wrote:


Really? The backbone of your governor doesn't affect you? ..oh yea, you are in the land of rednecks. Get away from alabama asap.
East L.A.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
East Lower Alabama
He is from Freeport, which is just outside of Mobile, Al. I used to live in Pensacola, it's where I was born. Alabama is a swamp of mother lovin dumb. Ask Db, I think he lives in the panhandle as well.

But yea, I don't see how a high speed rail would benifit the incestous backwoodsman. Unless it were to shuttle them to and from their cousins house on date night.
I lived in FWB/Navarre for 3 years. After years of living in OK, I said, "DAMN! This place is full of rednecks!"
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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