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2011-03-04 14:57:33
Dilbert_X
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A university in the US state of Utah has suspended a star basketball player for having pre-marital sex with his girlfriend in violation of the school's strict "honour code".

Brandon Davies was dropped after admitting the transgression to staff at Brigham Young University (BYU).
His team, ranked 3rd in the nation in college basketball, went on to lose against an unranked team on Wednesday.

The BYU honour code requires students to be "chaste and virtuous".
BYU officials have defended the decision after the news was first reported by the Salt Lake Tribune, saying that students are fully aware of the rigorous code, and often choose the school because of it.

"We live this. This is who we are," said Tom Holmoe, BYU athletic director.

The Utah-based university is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, also known as the Mormon church. All students agree to abide by the honour code, which reflects Mormon values.
The code includes prohibitions on drinking, smoking, drugs, tea, coffee, swearing and sex, as well as a commitment regularly to attend church.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12652669

Where will this go? Looks like a freedom of expression issue.

Seems incredible to me that a University could restrict adults in this way, voluntarily or not, and another argument for maintaining separation of church and state.
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2011-03-04 14:58:29
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2011-03-04 14:59:11
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BYU, Mormons, Utah. explains it really.
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2011-03-04 14:59:13
13urnzz
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old news, here.

he signed on, knew the rules, broke them. it's a private university, they can kick you out for no reason, really.
2011-03-04 15:01:12
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burnzz wrote:

old news, here.

he signed on, knew the rules, broke them. it's a private university, they can kick you out for no reason, really.
^this.
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2011-03-04 15:03:17
13urnzz
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if he were smart (he wouldn't have signed on with byu, but anyways) he would transfer to the university of utah. they have no such restrictions, and he would be playing for a rival.
2011-03-04 15:04:53
Dilbert_X
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presidentsheep wrote:

burnzz wrote:

old news, here.

he signed on, knew the rules, broke them. it's a private university, they can kick you out for no reason, really.
^this.
Private organisations are bound by the constitution are they not?
Can you sign away constitutional rights?

Could they require that you don't associate with black people during your time at university for example?
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2011-03-04 15:08:37
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Dilbert_X wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

burnzz wrote:

old news, here.

he signed on, knew the rules, broke them. it's a private university, they can kick you out for no reason, really.
^this.
Private organisations are bound by the constitution are they not?
Can you sign away constitutional rights?

Could they require that you don't associate with black people during your time at university for example?
Where did they violate his constitutional rights?  Never saw the "right to bang college chicks" part of it.

He violated the schools code of conduct which he knew about, his bad.
2011-03-04 15:16:01
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

another argument for maintaining separation of church and state.
It's a private school.

Derp.
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2011-03-04 15:17:20
FEOS
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burnzz wrote:

if he were smart (he wouldn't have signed on with byu, but anyways) he would transfer to the university of utah. they have no such restrictions, and he would be playing for a rival.
And find more hotter, more promiscuous chicks.
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2011-03-04 15:42:00
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

A university in the US state of Utah has suspended a star basketball player for having pre-marital sex with his girlfriend in violation of the school's strict "honour code".

Brandon Davies was dropped after admitting the transgression to staff at Brigham Young University (BYU).
His team, ranked 3rd in the nation in college basketball, went on to lose against an unranked team on Wednesday.

The BYU honour code requires students to be "chaste and virtuous".
BYU officials have defended the decision after the news was first reported by the Salt Lake Tribune, saying that students are fully aware of the rigorous code, and often choose the school because of it.

"We live this. This is who we are," said Tom Holmoe, BYU athletic director.

The Utah-based university is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, also known as the Mormon church. All students agree to abide by the honour code, which reflects Mormon values.
The code includes prohibitions on drinking, smoking, drugs, tea, coffee, swearing and sex, as well as a commitment regularly to attend church.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12652669

Where will this go? Looks like a freedom of expression issue.

Seems incredible to me that a University could restrict adults in this way, voluntarily or not, and another argument for maintaining separation of church and state.
Umm, it's BYU. You know what you're getting into before you pay your tuition.
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2011-03-04 15:44:25
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

burnzz wrote:

old news, here.

he signed on, knew the rules, broke them. it's a private university, they can kick you out for no reason, really.
^this.
Private organisations are bound by the constitution are they not?
Can you sign away constitutional rights?

Could they require that you don't associate with black people during your time at university for example?
You enter into it freely. It's not forced on you or anyone else. If some private university decided to be white only there isn't anything the federal government can do. It's private. Same as any club that wants to restrict its membership to people with polka dot tattoos. Completely legal.
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2011-03-04 15:57:07
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

another argument for maintaining separation of church and state.
It's a private school.

Derp.
The state doesn't regulate schools?
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2011-03-04 16:00:10
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

another argument for maintaining separation of church and state.
It's a private school.

Derp.
The state doesn't regulate schools?
Umm, what would they have to regulate? It's a private institution. As long as they aren't breaking civil law then they can do whatever the hell they please.
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2011-03-04 16:01:32
Jay
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In most countries in the world, the function of educational accreditation for higher education is conducted by a government organization, such as a ministry of education. In the United States, however, the quality assurance process is independent of government and performed by private membership associations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_edu … reditation
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2011-03-04 16:01:45
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:


It's a private school.

Derp.
The state doesn't regulate schools?
Umm, what would they have to regulate? It's a private institution. As long as they aren't breaking civil law then they can do whatever the hell they please.
Regulate them to prevent them breaching constitutional rights and international treaties the US has signed up to, freedom of association being one.
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2011-03-04 16:05:14
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


The state doesn't regulate schools?
Umm, what would they have to regulate? It's a private institution. As long as they aren't breaking civil law then they can do whatever the hell they please.
Regulate them to prevent them breaching constitutional rights and international treaties the US has signed up to, freedom of association being one.
What freedom of association? That's one of our constitutional rights? Could've fooled me.

They aren't doing anything wrong. If they were forcing people to sign the contract against their will it would be an issue. As they are adults, they can sign any pledge they want. They sign a pledge saying they won't drink, do drugs, or have sex outside of marriage. It's not even remotely illegal.
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2011-03-04 16:06:29
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What freedom of association? That's one of our constitutional rights? Could've fooled me.
Protip: Read to the end of the sentence before you start typing.
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2011-03-04 16:11:26
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

What freedom of association? That's one of our constitutional rights? Could've fooled me.
Protip: Read to the end of the sentence before you start typing.
Oh yeah? Who enforces international law. That's right. No one. Stop bringing the UN and international law into arguments. You know damn well that both bodies are entirely irrelevant.
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2011-03-04 16:13:10
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The US has signed up to the UDHR for example, if the country hasn't got round to implementing it it simply demonstrates how slow and backwards it is
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2011-03-04 16:14:02
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it's a private school, the kid willingly signed up and signed on.  Is this really a big deal in Australia?
2011-03-04 16:14:25
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The US has signed up to the UDHR for example, if the country hasn't got round to implementing it it simply demonstrates how slow and backwards it is
Nope. We never ratified it.
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2011-03-04 16:15:46
Dilbert_X
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I don't think any University anywhere else in the world would be able to enforce this, I've never heard of Universities requiring students to sign contracts either.
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2011-03-04 16:16:12
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The US has signed up to the UDHR for example, if the country hasn't got round to implementing it it simply demonstrates how slow and backwards it is
Nope. We never ratified it.
That was my point.
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2011-03-04 16:16:57
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't think any University anywhere else in the world would be able to enforce this, I've never heard of Universities requiring students to sign contracts either.
Umm, have you never seen Dazed and Confused? Have you never signed an agreement with your employer stating you won't do drugs? You're being obtuse.
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