Pure evil.
Pure evil.
Kmar wrote:
Reagan busted PATCO and fired 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike.
The issue is public service.. employees paid with tax dollars.
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mmhmm11 Bravo wrote:
Kmar wrote:
Reagan busted PATCO and fired 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike.
The fact that it was developed under Carter is the icing on the cake..While Ronald Reagan did fire more than 11,000 air traffic controllers when they engaged in (as federal workers) an illegal strike less than a year after taking office, the strike contingency plan Reagan deployed had already been developed under Carter.
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i didnt like reagan but loved that he did this. dunno why AR even mentioned him. trolling i guess. go figure.
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Baiting.. he was probably sitting on the video waiting for a response..lol.
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ya he did a post and run...figuring one of us were reagan fanbois. fail.
Reagan supported unions.
It was when the air traffic controllers decide to strike he had them fired.
It was when the air traffic controllers decide to strike he had them fired.
so what?
i like crab cakes. just tossing that out there.
He supports unions, but hates virtually their only form of leverage? .. and again, the issue is public vs private collective bargaining. It's easy to understand why one would support one and not the other.AussieReaper wrote:
Reagan supported unions.
It was when the air traffic controllers decide to strike he had them fired.
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Because he said something in a speech? A politician said something he didn't really believe in a speech designed to win votes? WHO DOES THESE THINGS!?!?!??! ZOMG!!!!AussieReaper wrote:
Reagan supported unions.
It was when the air traffic controllers decide to strike he had them fired.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
No. They can't.Karbin wrote:
With the breaking of the CBA the Senate can pass another bill to cut wage's and pensions.11 Bravo wrote:
lol detroyed. they are still getting paid? yes. fuck they even have a pension. so, they have way more than most people. way way more. why are you being so dramatic about this? try dealing with facts.Karbin wrote:
I see.... and you would just go to work when your livelihood was being re-written, destroyed or taken away?
Pull the other one.
To me... all the bitching about someone elsie's wages or benefits or pensions....has the sound of....jealousy. They have it... I want it.. I can't have it ...so why should they..... answer....
Join a Fucking Union
Don't want to, then don't bitch about those who join together to make their lives better.
The CBA was eliminated for benefits, not for wages. The teachers can still collectively bargain for wages, just not for benefits. And they are only having to pay slightly more for their pension and health care plan than before...which is still far below the private sector average.
So. To be clear: collective bargaining rights are still in place for wages. Benefits are still in place, but the teachers are required to chip in slightly more than before, but at a rate still much less than the private sector does.
Not union busting. Not stripping CB rights. Not violating any laws.
Unions have/had their place. The vast majority of that purpose has been instantiated in labor laws in the US. Hence why the majority of the US population feels unions have outlived their usefulness: most of what the unions "fight for" today in the US are inflated wages and benefits packages, rather than workplace safety (covered by law) and hiring/firing practices (covered by law).Karbin wrote:
Only when you stop trying to 'educate' me on how great it is NOT to have a union.JohnG@lt wrote:
You like your union, fine, now stop trying to 'educate' us.
I've posted why before from personal experience.
Unless you think an employer should be able to slowly kill their staff or, pull scam rip-offs and receive kick-backs for employment?
Maybe it's different in Canada.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FD Roosevelt!President FD Roosevelt wrote:
“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”
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The man was clearly a fascist.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
And this is why JFK is the worst president in history imo.Kmar wrote:
FD Roosevelt!President FD Roosevelt wrote:
“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
not sure if seriousJohnG@lt wrote:
And this is why JFK is the worst president in history imo.Kmar wrote:
FD Roosevelt!President FD Roosevelt wrote:
“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”
think he's being at least somewhat serious, he's posted a few mini-rants about jfk in the past
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/libr … cument=541Macbeth wrote:
not sure if seriousJohnG@lt wrote:
And this is why JFK is the worst president in history imo.Kmar wrote:
FD Roosevelt!
What did he do that was positive? Take the cold war to the next level? The Bay of Pigs? Screwing around with Marilyn Monroe in the White House? He had a hot wife and the media loved him but I've never understood the mythology surrounding the guy that was wholly responsible for tens of thousands of American dead in Vietnam.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's funny that the three most beloved (or most mythologized) Presidents of the twentieth century were in my opinion three of the worst: FDR, JFK, and Reagan.Spark wrote:
think he's being at least somewhat serious, he's posted a few mini-rants about jfk in the past
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
you can see why that's the case though surely
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
But that's not my point...JohnG@lt wrote:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/libr … cument=541Macbeth wrote:
not sure if seriousJohnG@lt wrote:
And this is why JFK is the worst president in history imo.
What did he do that was positive? Take the cold war to the next level? The Bay of Pigs? Screwing around with Marilyn Monroe in the White House? He had a hot wife and the media loved him but I've never understood the mythology surrounding the guy that was wholly responsible for tens of thousands of American dead in Vietnam.
The point is- we've had much much much worse. So much worse by comparison Kennedy wasn't such a bad President. Can you name one good thing about the presidency's of Franklin Pierce, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, and Zachary Taylor?
That string of incompetent dipshits damn near destroyed the U.S. Those 4 were just the presidents before the Lincoln who saw the run up to the Civil war. In our history we've had over 40 presidents. You can find worse than Kennedy.
That's my point. The Kennedy is the worse thing since the bubonic plague thing is extremely hyperbolic and not very intelligent.
The presidents either side of Lincoln did seem pretty dire tbh
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
The best type of Presidency is the one in which nothing is done.Macbeth wrote:
But that's not my point...JohnG@lt wrote:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/libr … cument=541Macbeth wrote:
not sure if serious
What did he do that was positive? Take the cold war to the next level? The Bay of Pigs? Screwing around with Marilyn Monroe in the White House? He had a hot wife and the media loved him but I've never understood the mythology surrounding the guy that was wholly responsible for tens of thousands of American dead in Vietnam.
The point is- we've had much much much worse. So much worse by comparison Kennedy wasn't such a bad President. Can you name one good thing about the presidency's of Franklin Pierce, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, and Zachary Taylor?
That string of incompetent dipshits damn near destroyed the U.S. Those 4 were just the presidents before the Lincoln who saw the run up to the Civil war. In our history we've had over 40 presidents. You can find worse than Kennedy.
That's my point. The Kennedy is the worse thing since the bubonic plague thing is extremely hyperbolic and not very intelligent.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And Lincoln himself was rubbish. Nothing justifies the suspension of Habeas Corpus. He turned himself into a dictator during the war. Terrible precedent.Spark wrote:
The presidents either side of Lincoln did seem pretty dire tbh
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat