International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Libya's Moammar Gadhafi - AP
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And his son Saif al-Islam, as well as his brother-in-law and intelligence chief Abdullah Senussi.Kmar wrote:
International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Libya's Moammar Gadhafi - AP
Maybe Europe can't be bothered about Libya?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Its telling that Europe cannot function militarily without USA.
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More like they need to invest more in their military and not rely on us.Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe Europe can't be bothered about Libya?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Its telling that Europe cannot function militarily without USA.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Perhaps, but if this were the case I would expect them to not get involved rather than trying to do something and failing.Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe Europe can't be bothered about Libya?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Its telling that Europe cannot function militarily without USA.
No-fly zone is working, job done.
You want to invade go right ahead.
You want to invade go right ahead.
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Dilbert the problem is that, while the no fly zone is working, the EU members participating barely managed to pull it off. It would've been literally impossible without US help, which provided more than half the firepower and lead the initial attack (sort of still is, but under the guise of NATO).
Considering that the Libya mission is a small one, that is worrisome.
Considering that the Libya mission is a small one, that is worrisome.
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The US is providing pretty much all the air refueling and reconnaissance support. Don't think NATO would be able to do anything without that. The organic resources of the NATO countries in those mission areas aren't nearly adequate to the mission requirements.
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The ICC and ICJ are such jokes it's not even funny.Kmar wrote:
International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Libya's Moammar Gadhafi - AP
Noticed more tankers flying around my house lately.FEOS wrote:
The US is providing pretty much all the air refueling and reconnaissance support. Don't think NATO would be able to do anything without that. The organic resources of the NATO countries in those mission areas aren't nearly adequate to the mission requirements.
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Oh so now you think it was only a no fly zone?Dilbert_X wrote:
No-fly zone is working, job done.
You want to invade go right ahead.
And at the same that was the last nail in the coffin for reaching a diplomatic agreement with both parties in Libya ... good job ICC.Kmar wrote:
International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Libya's Moammar Gadhafi - AP
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What, you mean like Iraq was about WMDs?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Oh so now you think it was only a no fly zone?Dilbert_X wrote:
No-fly zone is working, job done.
You want to invade go right ahead.
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I just seem to remember somewhere in the last 50 pages you banging on about how its all for oil and something about no fly zone means you cant attack AA clearly inferring you did not think what was happening in Libya constituted a no fly zone.Dilbert_X wrote:
What, you mean like Iraq was about WMDs?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Oh so now you think it was only a no fly zone?Dilbert_X wrote:
No-fly zone is working, job done.
You want to invade go right ahead.
Now you say it is a no fly zone? Its not, it never was. As the UNSC resolution states all measures short of ground invasion to protect civilians.
Whatever, the UN resolution says its a no-fly zone and not an invasion.
As we know you can't effect regime change from the air, or really protect civilians, if the US wants to invade then please go right ahead.
As we know you can't effect regime change from the air, or really protect civilians, if the US wants to invade then please go right ahead.
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Err no Dilbert. I said this as soon as the resolution was written, it was painfully obvious that this was way more than just a no fly zone.
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The the US is free to do what it wants, whatever that is, and can stop crying that NATO isn't doing it.
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Ah so now the UK is a part of the US. I see what you did there.
The point I made is that Europe cant perform in Libya without the US. Which goes some way to explaining why the UNSC is so toothless as apparently the arab league couldnt do it either.
The point I made is that Europe cant perform in Libya without the US. Which goes some way to explaining why the UNSC is so toothless as apparently the arab league couldnt do it either.
I'm pretty sure Europe can perform in Libya if they really commited to the cause.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Ah so now the UK is a part of the US. I see what you did there.
The point I made is that Europe cant perform in Libya without the US. Which goes some way to explaining why the UNSC is so toothless as apparently the arab league couldnt do it either.
hmmmm, while they still relied on US support for airstrikes and stuff, didn't Britain and France go ahead with sending in attack helicopters? without US sending in some of it's own?Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
The point I made is that Europe cant perform in Libya without the US.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13922821
Its not exactly a tour de force.And with the mission authorised to continue for another 90 days, no-one can yet work out the long-term impact on the UK's stretched armed forces, yet alone how and when it will all end.
The second most senior officer in the Royal Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Sir Simon Bryant, has already warned of the strain on personnel and resources - echoing the concerns of the first Sea Lord, Sir Mark Stanhope, who has spoken out for the Royal Navy.
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And in the meantime the first cracks in the alliance have already started to appear.
Italy's foreign minister has called for a temporary halt to the bombing campaign to avoid civilian casualties.
Nato members have warned of the strain on their military resources. The clock is not just ticking for Col Gaddafi.
The UK has been stretched pointlessly in Iraq and Afghanistan, is handling the no-fly zone in Libya fine, what exactly are you whining about?
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Myself, first Sea Lord, Sir Mark Stanhope and Air Chief Marshal Sir Simon Bryant disagree with you.Dilbert_X wrote:
The UK has been stretched pointlessly in Iraq and Afghanistan, is handling the no-fly zone in Libya fine, what exactly are you whining about?
Whatever, UK modern forces were never developed to fight decade-long wars, nevertheless they are doing OK.
Senior bods always want more money for toys.
Senior bods always want more money for toys.
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So we cant believe the only people in the country who truly know the state of the Armed forces or BBC reporting. So what do you have to offer? Another wiki link? Or just your truly well informed "gut feel"Dilbert_X wrote:
Whatever, UK modern forces were never developed to fight decade-long wars, nevertheless they are doing OK.
Senior bods always want more money for toys.
They were never developed to fight decade long wars? Agreed, I would also argue they never intended to fight decade long wars and particularly in Libya the reason it is taking so long is because they are failing to deliver what they were "developed for."
Lets skim over the fact that many of our aircraft have been serving since the 60s..
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