FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

11 Bravo wrote:

so for some of the country.....and half his people defected.  but ok man.  you win.  he is president.





and i am president of beer and porn land
Hey I didn't say it was an ideal situation. But are you arguing that Lincoln wasn't President just because the South seceded? That's ludicrous.
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11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5208|Cleveland, Ohio
oh brother
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Don't "oh brother." You're essentially making that argument. Just because some in his country have stopped supporting him and have formed their own (somewhat ineffective) govt, that doesn't mean he's not still the leader of Libya. The nation of Libya didn't cease to exist when the TNC stood up. Not every country has recognized them as the legitimate govt of Libya...particularly not the UN.
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― Albert Einstein

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11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5208|Cleveland, Ohio
i said you win


let me retreat to my land of porn and beer.  my people await.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Not a matter of winning. It's about debate and serious talk.

Have fun with that.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5208|Cleveland, Ohio
sorry lad but i aint lowing.  im not gonna have a 5 page circle jerk with you.  i said what i think, you said what you think.  done.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Wasn't looking for anything like that. Hence the "have fun."
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5230|foggy bottom
was saddam still president after april of 03?
Tu Stultus Es
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6703|Cambridge, England
So when you invade a country, at what point do you declare that you run it rather than the previous ruler?

Personally I would say that even if you blow up his house and kids, he is still the ruler. There is a point when he looses popular support that you would not consider him a leader but clearly gadaffi still has a fairly large support base.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6746|Moscow, Russia

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

So when you invade a country, at what point do you declare that you run it rather than the previous ruler?

Personally I would say that even if you blow up his house and kids, he is still the ruler. There is a point when he looses popular support that you would not consider him a leader but clearly gadaffi still has a fairly large support base.
wait, i thought only heartless mercenaries would fight for gaddafi, no?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6703|Cambridge, England

Shahter wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

So when you invade a country, at what point do you declare that you run it rather than the previous ruler?

Personally I would say that even if you blow up his house and kids, he is still the ruler. There is a point when he looses popular support that you would not consider him a leader but clearly gadaffi still has a fairly large support base.
wait, i thought only heartless mercenaries would fight for gaddafi, no?
I dont think that's a view I ever championed? I wont say have looked at the conflict in a great amount of detail but from the off it looks like we've chosen one side of a civil war. Arguably we joined too late and now we don't now how to get out of it.

Would be nice if we can hand it over the Arab league to take over. Im pretty sure they were pushing for involvement from the off. Maybe they knew we couldn't help ourselves and would end up committed for far longer than we would have liked.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

eleven bravo wrote:

was saddam still president after april of 03?
No. His government no longer functioned and he no longer called the shots in Iraq.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|5970|Vortex Ring State
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/21/world … mp;emc=rss

so we're destroying their navy now?

https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/20/world/20libya/20libya-popup.jpg

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-05-20 06:19:47)

Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6441
go the west!
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6076|eXtreme to the maX
Boats can fly and are therefore a threat to aircraft.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6441
well boats can shoot down aircraft, no? but really is it a thinly veiled excuse to just being dismantling the entire country.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Something doesn't have to fly to be a threat to aircraft...

Why hasn't the UN gone back and re-visited this? It's clearly beyond the scope of the resolution. The UNSC should've held meetings long before now.

But this is all "sponsored" by the UN, so everyone has to be OK with it. It's the only legitimate way to conduct military operations, right?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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Trotskygrad
бля
+354|5970|Vortex Ring State
yeah it's not like they have super-high tech AIM-7s on deck with decent AA range.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Trotskygrad wrote:

yeah it's not like they have super-high tech AIM-7s on deck with decent AA range.
Ships (2006)
2 × Koni class frigates (Type 1159) (one operational)

    212 Al Hani: (Captured by Rebels at Benghazi)
    213 Al Ghardabia: (struck by NATO in Tripoli Harbour 20th May 2011).

Armament:

        4 × SS-N-2C Styx SSMs
        2 × SA-N-4 SAMs
        4 × 76mm guns
        4 × 30mm guns
        4 × 406mm torpedoes
        1 × RBU-6000 A/S mortar
        20 mines
SA-N-4 is the naval version of the SA-8.

Much ado about nothing, it appears.
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― Albert Einstein

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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6193|Escea

lold when Sky News wasn't sure if it was a civilian or military vessel, considering they had pictures of the big ass gun on the aft deck.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

And it looks like all that was hit was the missile magazine, at any rate.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6193|Escea

Knocking out the anti-air capability as opposed to completely destroying it I guess.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|5970|Vortex Ring State

FEOS wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

yeah it's not like they have super-high tech AIM-7s on deck with decent AA range.
Ships (2006)
2 × Koni class frigates (Type 1159) (one operational)

    212 Al Hani: (Captured by Rebels at Benghazi)
    213 Al Ghardabia: (struck by NATO in Tripoli Harbour 20th May 2011).

Armament:

        4 × SS-N-2C Styx SSMs
        2 × SA-N-4 SAMs
        4 × 76mm guns
        4 × 30mm guns
        4 × 406mm torpedoes
        1 × RBU-6000 A/S mortar
        20 mines
SA-N-4 is the naval version of the SA-8.

Much ado about nothing, it appears.
exactly... this is just us blowing shit up to make the rebels happy.

They practically have naval superiority now, not that they would use it effectively

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-05-20 08:37:57)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6381|'Murka

Trotskygrad wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

yeah it's not like they have super-high tech AIM-7s on deck with decent AA range.
Ships (2006)
2 × Koni class frigates (Type 1159) (one operational)

    212 Al Hani: (Captured by Rebels at Benghazi)
    213 Al Ghardabia: (struck by NATO in Tripoli Harbour 20th May 2011).

Armament:

        4 × SS-N-2C Styx SSMs
        2 × SA-N-4 SAMs
        4 × 76mm guns
        4 × 30mm guns
        4 × 406mm torpedoes
        1 × RBU-6000 A/S mortar
        20 mines
SA-N-4 is the naval version of the SA-8.

Much ado about nothing, it appears.
exactly... this is just us blowing shit up to make the rebels happy.

They practically have naval superiority now, not that they would use it effectively
If it was about naval superiority, it would have been sunk. They just took out the AA capability of it...in line with the UNSC resolution, it would appear.
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― Albert Einstein

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