Kmar
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Cambridge University geneticist Aubrey de Grey has famously stated, “The first person to live to be 1,000 years old is certainly alive today …whether they realize it or not, barring accidents and suicide, most people now 40 years or younger can expect to live for centuries.”

Perhaps de Gray is way too optimistic, but plenty of others have joined the search for a virtual fountain of youth. In fact, a growing number of scientists, doctors, geneticists and nanotech experts—many with impeccable academic credentials—are insisting that there is no hard reason why ageing can’t be dramatically slowed or prevented altogether. Not only is it theoretically possible, they argue, but a scientifically achievable goal that can and should be reached in time to benefit those alive today.

“I am working on immortality,” says Michael Rose, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of California, Irvine, who has achieved breakthrough results extending the lives of fruit flies. “Twenty years ago the idea of postponing aging, let alone reversing it, was weird and off-the-wall. Today there are good reasons for thinking it is fundamentally possible.”...

...“There are many, many different components of ageing and we are chipping away at all of them,” said Robert Freitas at the Institute for Molecular Manufacturing, a non-profit, nanotech group in Palo Alto, California. “It will take time and, if you put it in terms of the big developments of modern technology, say the telephone, we are still about 10 years off from Alexander Graham Bell shouting to his assistant through that first device. Still, in the near future, say the next two to four decades, the disease of ageing will be cured.”

But not everyone thinks ageing can or should be cured. Some say that humans weren’t meant to live forever, regardless of whether or not we actually can.

“I just don't think [immortality] is possible,” says Sherwin Nuland, a professor of surgery at the Yale School of Medicine. “Aubrey and the others who talk of greatly extending lifespan are oversimplifying the science and just don't understand the magnitude of the task. His plan will not succeed. Were it to do so, it would undermine what it means to be human.”

It’s interesting that Nuland first says he doesn’t think it will work but then adds that if it does, it will undermine humanity. So, which is it? Is it impossible, or are the skeptics just hoping it is?

After all, we already have overpopulation, global warming, limited resources and other issues to deal with, so why compound the problem by adding immortality into the mix.

But anti-ageing enthusiasts argue that as our perspectives change and science and technology advance exponentially, new solutions will emerge. Space colonization, for example, along with dramatically improved resource management, could resolve the concerns associated with long life. They reason that if the Universe goes on seemingly forever—much of it presumably unused—why not populate it?

However, anti-ageing crusaders are coming up against an increasingly influential alliance of bioconservatives who want to restrict research seeking to “unnaturally” prolong life. Some of these individuals were influential in persuading President Bush in 2001 to restrict federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. They oppose the idea of life extension and anti-ageing research on ethical, moral and ecological grounds.

Leon Kass, the former head of Bush's Council on Bioethics, insists that “the finitude of human life is a blessing for every human individual”. Bioethicist Daniel Callahan of the Garrison, New York-based Hastings Centre, agrees: “There is no known social good coming from the conquest of death.”

Maybe they’re right, but then why do we as humans strive so hard to prolong our lives in the first place? Maybe growing old, getting sick and dying is just a natural, inevitable part of the circle of life, and we may as well accept it.

"But it's not inevitable, that's the point," de Grey says. "At the moment, we're stuck with this awful fatalism that we're all going to get old and sick and die painful deaths. There are a 100,000 people dying each day from age-related diseases. We can stop this carnage. It's simply a matter of deciding that's what we should be doing."
Is There a Human Walking the Earth Today Who Will to Live to 1,000?

Currently age related human death a blessing to species. However, will there day be a day when overpopulation and limited resources are not a problem? If so, will we be prepared technically and morally for the dramatic extension of human life when that day comes?

Interesting comments
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jord
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I don't think the human race has another 1000 years in it.
Spark
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Won't happen until we develop reliable mass deep space flight.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Spark wrote:

Won't happen until we develop reliable mass deep space flight.
Perhaps extended human life is what is needed as a component of colonizing the solar system and beyond. Traversing huge distances whilst being bound by the universal  speed limit is actually an example for the need of extended life.
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-CARNIFEX-[LOC]
Da Blooze
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There has been plenty of recent scientific literature regarding multiple aspects of aging that can be countered through genetic modification. 

If you can counter-balance the accumulated, deleterious effects that free radicals have on your biological systems, as well as maintain/enhance telomerase activity (without going into lots of detail, your DNA shortens through the process of replication...telomerase counters this by adding to the ends of the DNA...decreased telomerase activity is linked to the aging process...), then you have already managed to drastically reduce the effects of aging. 

This is stuff that has already been done in fruit flies and mice, and there's no real reason to think that nearly identical procedures couldn't have similar effects in people.  However, I see this more as greatly expanding lifespan, but not necessarily leading to immortality.  People might hit 200 by the year 2100, though...that really doesn't seem that ridiculous to me, TBH.

The limiting factor, as with apparently all good things in life, will of course be money.

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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6864|Canberra, AUS

Kmar wrote:

Spark wrote:

Won't happen until we develop reliable mass deep space flight.
Perhaps extended human life is what is needed as a component of colonizing the solar system and beyond. Traversing huge distances whilst being bound by the universal  speed limit is actually an example for the need of extended life.
Between that and some sort of stasis/cryogenics technology and you've got a winner.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6791|132 and Bush

Spark wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Spark wrote:

Won't happen until we develop reliable mass deep space flight.
Perhaps extended human life is what is needed as a component of colonizing the solar system and beyond. Traversing huge distances whilst being bound by the universal  speed limit is actually an example for the need of extended life.
Between that and some sort of stasis/cryogenics technology and you've got a winner.
Well shit, let's throw in some time travel while we are at it. It is theoretically possible to go forward isn't it?
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unnamednewbie13
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+2,053|6961|PNW

This is extremely bad news until we have more room and the technology with which to spread out. I wish we were fighting for this as hard as we, as a species, fought each other for loot, stupid land grabs and forced religious conversion.

/soap box
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6864|Canberra, AUS
Well it's not technically time travel but push special relativity to near its limits and it'll feel like time travel. For those on board.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6961|PNW

Theoretically.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6791|132 and Bush

When you travel at very fast speeds for a very long time you are in fact traveling forward in time, that is relative to the time you started at least. There is a russian cosmonaut, Sergei Avdeyev, that is technically .02 seconds in the future. :p
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FloppY_
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If this really does become reality in the near future, we will have to take some drastic measures to reduce childbirth...
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Varegg
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When we can eliminate the need for oxygen we can easily live much much longer than today ...
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FloppY_
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Varegg wrote:

When we can eliminate the need for oxygen we can easily live much much longer than today ...
ZOMBIES!?
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Kmar
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Varegg wrote:

When we can eliminate the need for oxygen we can easily live much much longer than today ...
Why not? Through genetic manipulation we can make humans adapt to alien worlds.. rather than searching for the perfect planet or moon according to what we require now. As they say.. life finds a way.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6864|Canberra, AUS
Hmmm... genetic manipulation to make humans that don't require oxygen goes faaaaaaaaar beyond the point at which you can't call them humans any more.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Varegg
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Kmar wrote:

Varegg wrote:

When we can eliminate the need for oxygen we can easily live much much longer than today ...
Why not? Through genetic manipulation we can make humans adapt to alien worlds.. rather than searching for the perfect planet or moon according to what we require now. As they say.. life finds a way.
Wasn't a why not really ... just a fact, we need oxygen to stay alive and oxygen starts to deteriorate our body as soon as we are born ... if we can manage to live without oxygen and live in an enviroment without oxygen the process that makes us die eventually will slow down considerably ...

So the "oxygen" problem is what they need to solve ...
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Spark wrote:

Hmmm... genetic manipulation to make humans that don't require oxygen goes faaaaaaaaar beyond the point at which you can't call them humans any more.
Let's call them advaced hybrid humanoids.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6864|Canberra, AUS
Well, there is the problem that non-oxygen requiring humans can't go anywhere near oxygen. Big part in some very nasty oxidation reactions so royally fucks up anything that isn't specifically designed to use it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6791|132 and Bush

Varegg wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Varegg wrote:

When we can eliminate the need for oxygen we can easily live much much longer than today ...
Why not? Through genetic manipulation we can make humans adapt to alien worlds.. rather than searching for the perfect planet or moon according to what we require now. As they say.. life finds a way.
Wasn't a why not really ... just a fact, we need oxygen to stay alive and oxygen starts to deteriorate our body as soon as we are born ... if we can manage to live without oxygen and live in an enviroment without oxygen the process that makes us die eventually will slow down considerably ...

So the "oxygen" problem is what they need to solve ...
You work on those problems concurrently, as each will require considerable time to solve.
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Kmar
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Radiation is the big problem to solve.
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unnamednewbie13
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+2,053|6961|PNW

Aside from radiation, there's the matter of emulating Earth-norm conditions for long residency duration, which goes into a lot more than just air and water. Just imagine, we could be doing that as a species rather than inventing new killing machines.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6791|132 and Bush

Our desire for killing machines is what put us into space. Pretty ironic considering they may be responsible for prolononging life one day.
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FloppY_
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+1,010|6476|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Kmar wrote:

Our desire for killing machines is what put us into space. Pretty ironic considering they may be responsible for prolononging life one day.
Am I the only one who feels that science & development has kinda stalled?

When you read about the stuff invented during WWII and the Cold War, there doesn't seem to be much these days... but then again, It's easier to read back on it, than to wait for it...
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Jay
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FloppY_ wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Our desire for killing machines is what put us into space. Pretty ironic considering they may be responsible for prolononging life one day.
Am I the only one who feels that science & development has kinda stalled?

When you read about the stuff invented during WWII and the Cold War, there doesn't seem to be much these days... but then again, It's easier to read back on it, than to wait for it...
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