Digital piracy, your thoughts please

2011-02-23 09:02:16

#151

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5634|London, England

Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
I was a music snob while you were in diapers uzique, and I'm not using that as a put down, it's just a statement of fact. You'll either grow out of the phase or you'll become so fucking pretentious that people won't want to be in the same room with you when you start talking about music. Trust me.
don't talk down to me like some veteran. you're a fat cunt that graduated from a shitty navy college and thinks he has seen the world and has 'perspective', just because you joined the military to escape your shitty home upbringing and your deadbeat family. hey look! john is a fucking guru and can talk down to anyone younger than him on matters as diverse as geopolitics, economics, culture and science... no. shut up for once in your fucking life.

Get over yourself. Seriously.

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2011-02-23 09:03:30

#152

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

Uzique you were the guy who said Ronald Reagan's funeral had a bigger impact on the U.S. than 9/11. I honestly don't think you have a very good understanding of American culture.

2011-02-23 09:04:09

#153

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

for saying what? that sigur ros is a mainstream band that everyone should have heard of - when they pretty much are? i can't think of many other bands that have been as 'big' as them from 1999-2010. they're one of the bands of the decade. how am i being snobby? i'm saying that you can't use "i wouldn't have heard of them anyway!" as some dumb excuse for piracy. not only is it ridiculous logic in itself, but it's no defense for criminal piracy.

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2011-02-23 09:05:05

#154

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

Macbeth wrote:
Uzique you were the guy who said Ronald Reagan's funeral had a bigger impact on the U.S. than 9/11. I honestly don't think you have a very good understanding of American culture.

i didn't say it had a bigger impact at all... i said it was an earlier-definable moment in the rise of neoconservatism than 9/11, which people more regularly cite. all i said was that reagan's funeral was an event in the public consciousness prior to 9/11 that still galvanized the same right-wing conservative tendencies. try again.

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2011-02-23 09:06:56

#155

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5634|London, England

Uzique wrote:
for saying what? that sigur ros is a mainstream band that everyone should have heard of - when they pretty much are? i can't think of many other bands that have been as 'big' as them from 1999-2010. they're one of the bands of the decade. how am i being snobby? i'm saying that you can't use "i wouldn't have heard of them anyway!" as some dumb excuse for piracy. not only is it ridiculous logic in itself, but it's no defense for criminal piracy.

Again, within your circle of friends and acquaintances they may have been huge. Perhaps even in the UK they were huge. I can't speak for anywhere but the US and to some extent our hat: if I walked up to 99% of people on the street or even at a university, no one would know who Sigur Rios is. They had zero hits here. They had zero time on the radio. So your zomg Sigur Rios is sooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooold doesn't hold any water, sorry.

And thinking you're better than WC just because he lacks your in depth knowledge of the music industry is exactly what I was talking about. So you know more about music than him, so fucking what? I know more about history than you do. Does it make me a better person than you or worthy of derision? Of course not. People just have different tastes and encounter things at irregular spacings. He's obviously not a person that cares about being on the bleeding edge of music. Only a small minority care about stuff like that.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-02-23 09:09:27)

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2011-02-23 09:07:16

#156

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6961|United States of America

Uzique wrote:
don't excuse your ignorance with some petty "you're a music snob/elitist/hipster faggot argument"

here, this album came out in 1999

International acclaim came with 1999's Ágætis byrjun ([au̯ɣai̯tʰɪs pɪrjʏn] "An all right start"). The album's reputation spread by word of mouth over the following two years. Soon critics worldwide hailed it as one of the great albums of its time,[3] and the band was playing support to established acts such as Radiohead. Three songs, Ágætis byrjun', "Svefn-g-englar", and a live take of the then-unreleased "Njósnavélin" (later 'un-named' "Untitled #4") appeared in the Cameron Crowe film Vanilla Sky. The two songs also subsequently appeared in the US version of the television series Queer as Folk. Their music has also appeared in the TV series 24 with Ný batterí, CSI with "Svefn-g-englar" and CSI: Miami with "Untitled 3" (a.k.a. Samskeyti). In 2004, Wes Anderson used "Starálfur" in The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou[4] as did the Emmy winning 2005 TV film The Girl in the Café and "Untitled 3" (a.k.a. Samskeyti) can be heard in the final scene from the Gregg Araki film Mysterious Skin. It can also be heard in Skins. They are also used in Enki Bilal's Immortel (Ad Vitam). The song "Svefn-g-englar" was also used on "V (2009 TV series)" on November 24, 2009.
1999. 1999. 1999. they had like 3 EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL albums after that. there is no way you can pass this off as the snooty preserve of a musical, hip, cool-crowd elite. sigur ros brought post-rock to the mainstream and they are still to this day synonymous with that 'brand' of absolutely ubiquitous and inescapable rock music. you're wrong. just back down for once? or will you conspicuously log out and send me an apologetic PM again from your shady alt account? pathetic, really.

I wouldn't say that simply having songs in semi-popular programs/films would make them widely acknowledged, especially because most people are unable to pronounce the titles. Perhaps the Radiohead link helped them, because many people are familiar with that band, but other than that I've never even seen any of these movies/shows mentioned.

2011-02-23 09:08:26

#157

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

Uzique wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique you were the guy who said Ronald Reagan's funeral had a bigger impact on the U.S. than 9/11. I honestly don't think you have a very good understanding of American culture.
i didn't say it had a bigger impact at all... i said it was an earlier-definable moment in the rise of neoconservatism than 9/11, which people more regularly cite. all i said was that reagan's funeral was an event in the public consciousness prior to 9/11 that still galvanized the same right-wing conservative tendencies. try again.

Reagan died in '04. And no it didn't.

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2011-02-23 09:09:37

#158

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

galt i just quoted a fucking wikipedia article saying how in NINETEEN NINETY NINE they were all over the american music media. they've had three even bigger albums than that. you CANNOT FUCKING ARGUE WITH THAT. "they had zero hits here". "zero time on the radio". hahahahaha OH MY GOD. if you were being a music snob when i was "in diapers"... how come you completely missed all their hype from 1999-2007? weren't you at your beret-wearing, all-knowing smug prime then? you fucking dunce.

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2011-02-23 09:10:48

#159

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5634|London, England

Uzique wrote:
galt i just quoted a fucking wikipedia article saying how in NINETEEN NINETY NINE they were all over the american music media. they've had three even bigger albums than that. you CANNOT FUCKING ARGUE WITH THAT. "they had zero hits here". "zero time on the radio". hahahahaha OH MY GOD. if you were being a music snob when i was "in diapers"... how come you completely missed all their hype from 1999-2007? weren't you at your beret-wearing, all-knowing smug prime then? you fucking dunce.

Did I say they didn't have hype? They were hyped among the alternative crowd at places like Spin magazine but were never mainstream. Why is this such a difficult concept?

Also, my tastes were much different than them at the time. I was all about hardcore and underground metal and punk bands at the time. Sigur Rios wouldn't have interested me.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-02-23 09:14:49)

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-Frederick Bastiat

2011-02-23 09:11:01

#160

globefish23: sophisticated slacker; +334|6600|Graz, Austria

11 Bravo wrote:
why would i discuss it if it were legal?

I just told you that it IS legal here in Austria.

11 Bravo wrote:
i dont care about other countries laws.

If you don't care, why do you go on shoving your "Why are you stealing?" down people's throats who are not living in your country, thus, under a different country's laws?

11 Bravo wrote:
there wouldnt be an OP now would there?

Here in Austria there are a lot of surveys and discussions about this topic too, yet, it's still legal in the circumstances I mentioned.

2011-02-23 09:11:07

#161

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6275|...

I have never heard of sigur rios

inane little opines

2011-02-23 09:14:54

#162

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

Macbeth wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique you were the guy who said Ronald Reagan's funeral had a bigger impact on the U.S. than 9/11. I honestly don't think you have a very good understanding of American culture.
i didn't say it had a bigger impact at all... i said it was an earlier-definable moment in the rise of neoconservatism than 9/11, which people more regularly cite. all i said was that reagan's funeral was an event in the public consciousness prior to 9/11 that still galvanized the same right-wing conservative tendencies. try again.
Reagan died in '04. And no it didn't.

Seriously am I reading this wrong or did Uzique suggest Reagan died before 9/11?

2011-02-23 09:16:35

#163

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5634|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Uzique wrote:

i didn't say it had a bigger impact at all... i said it was an earlier-definable moment in the rise of neoconservatism than 9/11, which people more regularly cite. all i said was that reagan's funeral was an event in the public consciousness prior to 9/11 that still galvanized the same right-wing conservative tendencies. try again.
Reagan died in '04. And no it didn't.
Seriously am I reading this wrong or did Uzique suggest Reagan died before 9/11?

I don't see why it's relevant here

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-02-23 09:17:05

#164

FloppY_: +1,010|6562|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

globefish23 wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
why would i discuss it if it were legal?
I just told you that it IS legal here in Austria.
11 Bravo wrote:
i dont care about other countries laws.
If you don't care, why do you go on shoving your "Why are you stealing?" down people's throats who are not living in your country, thus, under a different country's laws?
11 Bravo wrote:
there wouldnt be an OP now would there?
Here in Austria there are a lot of surveys and discussions about this topic too, yet, it's still legal in the circumstances I mentioned.

@ Laws

Here in DK the police focus on the sharing hubs, those guys who are uploading gigabyte after gigabyte, not the people who download a game and remove the torrent when they finish...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2011-02-23 09:17:12

#165

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

JohnG@lt wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Macbeth wrote:

Reagan died in '04. And no it didn't.
Seriously am I reading this wrong or did Uzique suggest Reagan died before 9/11?
I don't see why it's relevant here

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 2#p3462142

2011-02-23 09:20:50

#166

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Macbeth wrote:

Seriously am I reading this wrong or did Uzique suggest Reagan died before 9/11?
I don't see why it's relevant here
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 2#p3462142

reagan's right-wing beatification began a long time before his actual death. i was using the state funeral as an example of a public event. are you being obtuse on purpose?

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2011-02-23 09:20:56

#167

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5513|Cleveland, Ohio

globefish23 wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
why would i discuss it if it were legal?
I just told you that it IS legal here in Austria.
11 Bravo wrote:
i dont care about other countries laws.
If you don't care, why do you go on shoving your "Why are you stealing?" down people's throats who are not living in your country, thus, under a different country's laws?
11 Bravo wrote:
there wouldnt be an OP now would there?
Here in Austria there are a lot of surveys and discussions about this topic too, yet, it's still legal in the circumstances I mentioned.

listen smart guy. if you steal it from america you break american laws....and im sure that is illegal unless you are that guy from lethal weapon.

2011-02-23 09:30:20

#168

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

Uzique wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
I don't see why it's relevant here
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 2#p3462142
reagan's right-wing beatification began a long time before his actual death. i was using the state funeral as an example of a public event. are you being obtuse on purpose?

reagan's death seems to be the pivotal point in america's modern history that shifted the nation's trajectory into the altogether more negative, destructive and isolating neoconservative political paradigm. people say 9/11 was the 'flashpoint' that turned america into an insular, antagonistic force on the world-stage; but if you look at the massive outpouring of grief after reagan's death, it seems that event galvinized the 'neocon' form of nationalism and the reactionary attitudes therein far more than the terrorist attacks.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p3452898

We were already well down that path before Reagan died.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3452899

His death really meant nothing. The myth was already well established and he was beautified by the right long before he died.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p3452960
That's great that John and I convinced you and all but that still doesn't change the fact you just suggested Reagan died before 9/11 happened. Like i said before you have a shitty knowledge of American culture.

2011-02-23 09:39:01

#169

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

i don't understand what point you're trying to make. we've both said the exact same thing. im attributing as much importance to reagan's legacy as 9/11 in terms of right-wing politics. where is the shitty knowledge of american culture, exactly? by quoting sigur ros's wiki success in the states? you're the one with your eyes and ears closed to them - not me.

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2011-02-23 09:54:51

#170

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5862

You've said Reagan's death had more of an effect on American politics than 9/11. You then suggested Reagan died before 9/11. You've just now in this thread suggested that sigur ros was one of the most popular and influential bands of the last decade and that they dominated the U.S. which a bunch of Americans just told you didn't happen.

It seems you don't have a good understanding of American culture at all. And it's funny how you're attacking John, and others for being ignorant when you don't know jackshit about what's really going on in the U.S.

It's sorta like this

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Uzique wrote:
edit: hahahaha. "quintessential fundamental attribution error" not even Nuk could come up with that. fuck me. that would make a grown man laugh . what the fuck even is that? it's like a tautological mess; something you'd find on a 13 year old's english test as he strings together lots of long words and hopes it sounds vaguely technical. keep trying!
It's a common psych term dumbass.

You namedrop like a kiss-ass trying to get tenure and when someone else uses terms you don't know you assume it's gibberish.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 3#p3147663

You have a painfully condescending 'smarter than you'' personality despite the fact you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

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2011-02-23 09:58:39

#171

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5513|Cleveland, Ohio

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2011-02-23 10:06:31

#172

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6747

i love how you dug up a post from like 3 years ago (did you have that bookmarked? cute) when you still haven't countered my argument at all. i'm talking about reagan's death as the CULIMINATION of a neocon TREND- you know, something over TIME. i never said reagan died before 9/11, i said the shaping of the public consciousness around reagan prior to 9/11 was more indicative of a turn towards right-wing conservatism. you're picking a bone that doesn't need to be picked. i have a poor understanding of american culture? no, i don't think so. sure, my understanding isn't experential so i can't say for sure how many people on the street have heard of sigur ros... but if mainstream industry success isn't a benchmark of 'popularity', what is? it's the most objective way of determining whether a band is 'popular' or not. and in mainstream rock-band terms, sigur ros are one of the giants of the last decade. really, come on, i'm not claiming anything that outlandish.

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2011-02-23 10:07:28

#173

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5513|Cleveland, Ohio

i never heard of sigur ros till this thread tbh

2011-02-23 10:09:14

#174

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5634|London, England

11 Bravo wrote:
i never heard of sigur ros till this thread tbh

Have you heard of MGMT?

skip halfway in to see if you recognize the tune.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-02-23 10:10:02)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-02-23 10:10:27

#175

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5513|Cleveland, Ohio

JohnG@lt wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
i never heard of sigur ros till this thread tbh
Have you heard of MGMT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI

skip halfway in to see if you recognize the tune.

i have heard the song before but never knew who it was till now

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