FloppY_
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+1,010|6569|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It would be easier if more companies could distribute cut-down versions of their software on a freeware, personal use basis.
Then there'd be less incentive to hack the full version and people could get experience which will make them more inclined to buy for professional use.
I agree. The only happy medium between software such as Photoshop CS5 and the crippled Photoshop Elements is legally accessible only to students and teachers. An Adobe Creative Suite licensed for home and recreational users priced at around $600 under the stipulation that it is not used to create media to sell would do much to quell piracy of $3000 software. As it is now, Photoshop CS5's straight up box is valued at around $650.

11 Bravo wrote:

right so i went to the theater to see true grit.  so i can just walk into best buy and grab it off the shelf and walk out without paying...yes?

oh i also went to a metallica concert once so im gonna go take the cd off the shelf also.  cool?
At a theater, you can walk out during a showing and demand your money back without issue. Have fun returning keyed computer software to Best Buy or Target. Even if they take it, you usually have to endure the scrutiny of the eye of Sauron.

People are still not entirely convinced of the ethical congruity between physical and virtual duplication. That's why they call it a debate.

And to turn the parties around on your scenarios: "people are pirating my software so I'm going to implement frustrating punitive measures only present in non-cracked versions of the program."
The first time I heard the price of photoshop I couldn't believe it... had to go look it up...
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
13urnzz
Banned
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you have no reference to the price of anything.

i paid for photoshop lightroom, and then paid for the upgrade. glad i did, it's my camera's best friend. and by paying, i hope adobe makes lightroom 4 even more
FloppY_
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+1,010|6569|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
I'm sorry, but I see no development cycle that could send a software program into the operating system pricebracket...

If they sold it for half they would make up the losses in private sales easily... I don't see how it could possibly cost as much as Windows to develop...
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6781

FloppY_ wrote:

I'm sorry, but I see no development cycle that could send a software program into the operating system pricebracket...

If they sold it for half they would make up the losses in private sales easily... I don't see how it could possibly cost as much as Windows to develop...
because u haz no clue.

photoshop is the standard for the graphic arts industry, and one artist working 8 hours on the cover art to a retail game . . . oh, my bad. you don't pay for those either.

ok, one artist, working in photosh . . . fuck me, you don't pay for anything, do you?

carry on. on some other forum, preferably . . .
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It would be easier if more companies could distribute cut-down versions of their software on a freeware, personal use basis.
Then there'd be less incentive to hack the full version and people could get experience which will make them more inclined to buy for professional use.
I agree. The only happy medium between software such as Photoshop CS5 and the crippled Photoshop Elements is legally accessible only to students and teachers. An Adobe Creative Suite licensed for home and recreational users priced at around $600 under the stipulation that it is not used to create media to sell would do much to quell piracy of $3000 software. As it is now, Photoshop CS5's straight up box is valued at around $650.

11 Bravo wrote:

right so i went to the theater to see true grit.  so i can just walk into best buy and grab it off the shelf and walk out without paying...yes?

oh i also went to a metallica concert once so im gonna go take the cd off the shelf also.  cool?
At a theater, you can walk out during a showing and demand your money back without issue. Have fun returning keyed computer software to Best Buy or Target. Even if they take it, you usually have to endure the scrutiny of the eye of Sauron.

People are still not entirely convinced of the ethical congruity between physical and virtual duplication. That's why they call it a debate.

And to turn the parties around on your scenarios: "people are pirating my software so I'm going to implement frustrating punitive measures only present in non-cracked versions of the program."
wtf.  who the fuck damands their money back from a bad movie?  thats like wanting your money back because you bet on red and it landed on black.  srsly what is wrong with you people?
unnamednewbie13
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People who pirate Photoshop are learning Photoshop and will generally, if they possess an ounce of moral thought, buy it rather than another once they go professional because, well, that's the program they know how to use. With these budding professionals pretty much under their belt, Adobe is rightly more concerned about established businesses and professionals who pirate their software. The same can be said for programs like 3ds max and autocad, though you're hardly going to hear them admit it publicly.

But pirating games and music when you have an established income and they are so cheap nowadays is incredibly petty.

11 Bravo wrote:

wtf.  who the fuck damands their money back from a bad movie?  thats like wanting your money back because you bet on red and it landed on black.  srsly what is wrong with you people?
you can walk out during a showing
I'd also protest the bill for a steak dinnert if the meat consisted of 80% greasy gristle and I couldn't finish it. But seriously...comparing it to gambling? If purchasing is supposed to be like that, let's just repeal the lemon laws for automobiles, shall we?

11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
i wasnt comparing it to gambling ffs.  fucking hell you people are out to lunch.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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11 Bravo wrote:

i wasnt comparing it to gambling ffs.  fucking hell you people are out to lunch.

11 Bravo wrote:

thats like wanting your money back because you bet on red and it landed on black.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
thats not a comparison.  its a line of thought.

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-03-02 20:29:25)

unnamednewbie13
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11 Bravo wrote:

thats not a comparison.  its a line of thought.
Oh, I'm sorry, just a sec...

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/unnamednewbie13/th_charles-xavier.jpg
11 Bravo
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+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
it was quite obvious.  no need to be a huge fucking douche.
jsnipy
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would you steal a bag of groceries?
unnamednewbie13
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11 Bravo wrote:

it was quite obvious.  no need to be a huge fucking douche.
Whatever.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
jsnipy...would you get to your fucking point?

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-03-02 20:35:21)

13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6781

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

But pirating games and music when you have an established income and they are so cheap nowadays is incredibly petty.
i work for a civil engineering firm. the Recovery Act been berry, berry, good to us.

but part of my responsibility is to show proof of ownership for every piece of software we use. there are so many documented ways around activation, but the future sight of my company is "if AutoCad 2010 is good, how much better is AutoCad 2011?"

i can tell you, ac 2011 is tits. and every drawing we make from it is copyrighted.

people like floppy disgust me, because there is no personal initiative to contribute to the world in anyway, spongebob floppy-pants would rather suck every single bit and byte digitally from his mum's basement than be a contributing member of society.

sub-humans like him don't realize the river of wealth reward those that contribute, and punish those that only take away . . .
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6413|North Tonawanda, NY

burnzz wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

I'm sorry, but I see no development cycle that could send a software program into the operating system pricebracket...

If they sold it for half they would make up the losses in private sales easily... I don't see how it could possibly cost as much as Windows to develop...
because u haz no clue.

photoshop is the standard for the graphic arts industry, and one artist working 8 hours on the cover art to a retail game . . . oh, my bad. you don't pay for those either.

ok, one artist, working in photosh . . . fuck me, you don't pay for anything, do you?

carry on. on some other forum, preferably . . .
Seriously.  Specialized software costs a lot...a real lot...and people pay it because they are quality products.  Look at MATLAB..its like $2k for a single seat commercial license...with no add-ons.  Mathematica, $2.5k.  At work, we have some gene analysis software that's over $2k each year...for one seat, and thats the academic price.  To analyze flow cytometry data, we use software that costs $2.5k per seat, which we have 6 of.  If you need it to do work which generates more income, you'll pay.

See Maya, Lightwave, Solidworks, AutoCAD, SPSS, Statistica, MathCAD, Maple, and countless other pieces of software that cost far more than Windows.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6958|Canberra, AUS
Yeah the Mathematica license is ludicrously expensive if you can't get one from uni or whatever. But without something like it - and face it, all the alternatives are about the same - you'd be proper fucked.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
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Spark wrote:

Yeah the Mathematica license is ludicrously expensive if you can't get one from uni or whatever. But without something like it - and face it, all the alternatives are about the same - you'd be proper fucked.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z00_ZiTx5C4/0.jpg
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Mathematica 8 Home is about $295. I think it's a fair price, considering. $130 for the student edition.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6754
ITT floppy doesn't have a clue, as per usual
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
FloppY_
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+1,010|6569|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
ITT floppy doesn't care for Uziques elitist opinions, as per usual
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6958|Canberra, AUS
there's being elitist, and then there's just being plain wrong...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6884|132 and Bush

FloppY_ wrote:

I'm sorry, but I see no development cycle that could send a software program into the operating system pricebracket...

If they sold it for half they would make up the losses in private sales easily... I don't see how it could possibly cost as much as Windows to develop...
There are professionals who have been specifically appointed to the job of price setting. That is what they do for a living, that is what they went to school for, and their job depends on setting a price point that will maximize profit. I assure you they are aware that they need to consider "what the market will bear". It is important to look at the origin of the problem. Modern sales professionals have to consider that pirating takes supply and demand and mucks it all up. They make up some of the losses (due to piracy) by raising the cost a legitimate customer pays. The software company is reacting to traditional income loss .. and now the cost is higher, which allows the pirate to try and rationalize behavior.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lowing
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+1,662|6935|USA

jsnipy wrote:

would you steal a bag of groceries?
i dunno, how hungry am I?
jord
Member
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shifty hungry. I'm talking haven't eaten for what looks like 2 weeks. Blowing away in the wind kind of thin...

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