Jay
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Uzique wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Wait, your radio stations don't pay royalties???
Zero.
pretty sure that every radio station needs some sort of broadcast license at the very least... and pays licensing/royalties to label

source for your claim that they get nothing?
Performance Tax threatens radio stations

By | Friday, May 15, 2009, 10:35 AM

Buried in the rubble of more high-profile congressional legislation such as H.R.1 — the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act — and H.R. 15 — the National Health Insurance Act — is bill H.R.848, The Performance Rights Tax.

If passed it will result in a quantum shift in the eighty year-old relationship between the recording industry and commercial radio.

A performance tax is a fee that record labels want the government to impose on local radio stations for airing music free of charge for listeners. Critics argue that niche and minority stations, such as Dayton’s WDAO will fold if the bill is approved by congress.

“We can’t afford additional expenses,” said WDAO owner Jim Johnson. “Especially the way the economy is now. Passage of this bill also hurts up and coming artists. Radio stations will limit the number of new artists they promote in favor of the established artists with a successful track record.”

New Orleans radio DJ and music promoter George Williams said the Performance Tax has the potential to cause harm to smaller and independent radio stations.

“It’s no secret that the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is on the warpath against radio, the medium that has driven more sales for them than any other,” Williams said. “After more than eight decades of radio promoting music for free, the RIAA is seeking to enhance their diminishing bottom line by creating a new revenue stream in a way that will injure radio, particularly minority and niche stations.”

In recent years, the record labels have seen sales of CD’s decline as more listeners opt for digital downloads. However, radio remains the number one promotional vehicle for music.

The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) estimates that radio already provides up to $2.4 billion annually in music sales for artists and record labels. Critics claim that by pushing a tax on local radio, record labels are biting the hand that feeds them.

“If this bill passes it means another expense which takes away from our bottom line,” said WDAO’s Johnson. “That’s something we don’t need.”
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Uzique
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but they already pay a publishing license, surely? there is some trade here, is my point.

pirates don't exchange anything.
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Jay
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Uzique wrote:

but they already pay a publishing license, surely? there is some trade here, is my point.

pirates don't exchange anything.
They pay for an FCC license but none of that goes to the artists or record companies.
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Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Wait, your radio stations don't pay royalties???
Zero.
You're wrong.

In the United States, in contrast, the ASCAP, BMI (Broadcast Music, Inc) and SESAC (Society of European Stage Authors & Composers) are the three principal Performance Rights Organizations (PROs), although smaller societies exist. The royalty that is paid to the composer and publisher is determined by the method of assessment used by the PRO to gage the utilization of the music, there being no external metrics as in mechanical royalties or the reporting system used in the UK. Very basically, a PRO aggregates the royalties that are due to all of the composers/songwriters "who are its members" and each composer and publisher is paid royalties based on the assessed frequency of the music's performance, post deductions of charges (which are many). The PROs are audited agencies. They "directly" pay the songwriter and the publisher their respective shares. (If part of the publisher's share is retained by the songwriter, the publisher pays the songwriter that part of the publisher's share).

Typically, the PRO negotiates blanket licenses with radio stations, television networks and other "music users", each of whom receives the right to perform any of the music in the repertoire of the PRO for a set sum of money.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-02-28 14:13:20)

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Uzique
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i don't know much about the regulations or legislation for US radio... but anyway, before going down that route for 3 pages - what does it have to do with separate and isolated individuals each copying a separate and individual file to their computer, all over the world? a radio is a completely different method of distribution and communication. digital pirating doesn't have the same model or implication, at all.
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Miggle
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uzique there's a user on what named inkursion is that you?
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
Uzique
dasein.
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one of my banned accounts, yes

i never denied using what or waffles, did i?

yawn

"i pirate more music than all of you"

want to know my other private torrent site accounts too? want a link to my soulseek account so you can browse the 250,000 mp3's?

Last edited by Uzique (2011-02-28 14:31:04)

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Uzique wrote:

one of my banned accounts, yes

i never denied using what or waffles, did i?

yawn

"i pirate more music than all of you"

want to know my other private torrent site accounts too? want a link to my soulseek account so you can browse the 250,000 mp3's?
Not if its 250,000 dubstep, no.
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Uzique
dasein.
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i don't have any worries about miggle or the creative peons on this forum being fussy about my taste... they've just assimilated it wholly over the last few years, anyway.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-02-28 15:01:55)

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AussieReaper
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Now it's too mainstream for my tastes.
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Uzique
dasein.
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seems miggle has started a tradition of top quality 'in defense of piracy' posts.

erudite as usual
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AussieReaper
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You don't have to justify piracy to anyone.

Only to yourself. Then it's all okay.
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Uzique
dasein.
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haha yeah, evidently so.
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SenorToenails
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liquidat0r wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

As for myself, I like having physical media but I'm not exactly rolling in the dough...so I buy second hand.  It means I don't have the newest stuff available to me, but meh...trade-offs.
Buying second hand means no more money goes to the artist, though.
Yeah, that's true...but I don't really care about how much money goes to the artist, lol
Uzique
dasein.
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at least it's still some form of economic stimulation, in a drip-down and circulatory way

Last edited by Uzique (2011-02-28 15:37:17)

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Uzique wrote:

he's not saying that. he's not talking about formal legal charges. he's talking about the moral principle - 'theft' in the general term.

stop being such an obsequious twat
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JohnG@lt wrote:

If they aren't worthy, why are they worthy of his coin?

Uzique wrote:

that's not the way the business works though, is it? that's not the consumer model.
This much I can agree with. If you're going to download it and use/listen to it for a length of time when no funds are available, buying it should be jotted down in your immediate budget as soon as they are.
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It would be easier if more companies could distribute cut-down versions of their software on a freeware, personal use basis.
Then there'd be less incentive to hack the full version and people could get experience which will make them more inclined to buy for professional use.

This argument doesn't apply to music so much.
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right so i went to the theater to see true grit.  so i can just walk into best buy and grab it off the shelf and walk out without paying...yes?

oh i also went to a metallica concert once so im gonna go take the cd off the shelf also.  cool?
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would you steal a sandvich?
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jsnipy wrote:

would you steal a sandvich?
no
Cybargs
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jsnipy wrote:

would you steal a sandvich?
would you download a car?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

It would be easier if more companies could distribute cut-down versions of their software on a freeware, personal use basis.
Then there'd be less incentive to hack the full version and people could get experience which will make them more inclined to buy for professional use.
I agree. The only happy medium between software such as Photoshop CS5 and the crippled Photoshop Elements is legally accessible only to students and teachers. An Adobe Creative Suite licensed for home and recreational users priced at around $600 under the stipulation that it is not used to create media to sell would do much to quell piracy of $3000 software. As it is now, Photoshop CS5's straight up box is valued at around $650.

11 Bravo wrote:

right so i went to the theater to see true grit.  so i can just walk into best buy and grab it off the shelf and walk out without paying...yes?

oh i also went to a metallica concert once so im gonna go take the cd off the shelf also.  cool?
At a theater, you can walk out during a showing and demand your money back without issue. Have fun returning keyed computer software to Best Buy or Target. Even if they take it, you usually have to endure the scrutiny of the eye of Sauron.

People are still not entirely convinced of the ethical congruity between physical and virtual duplication. That's why they call it a debate.

And to turn the parties around on your scenarios: "people are pirating my software so I'm going to implement frustrating punitive measures only present in non-cracked versions of the program."

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