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For Russians etc WW2 is not their whole personal identity though is it?
Its one day a year, and mostly habit.

Are the Russians demanding a free pass to attack Ukraine 'because WW2' and endlessly brow-beating the world with Operation Barbarossa as an excuse for everything they do?
Of course not.

Well no wonder Israel wouldn't help Ukraine and sided with Russia.

a high proportion of the bolsheviks were jews. stalin's main rival, trotsky, being the obvious figurehead. yeah, that didn't work out well.

anyway, claiming the jews are the only people who rely on recent history as well as invoking mythical pasts for their present-day nationalism is VERY funny. like, it's pretty much paradigmatic of all nationalisms globally. you could find regional examples of the exact same phenomena in asia, africa, south america, etc.

just utterly clueless, illiterate stuff. embarrassing, really.

nothing about contemporary israeli politics or the actions of the state of israel in gaza has ANYTHING to do with 'ancient egyptian myths'.

you really are a berk. touch grass.

comics like that aren't really the 'gotcha' you think they are. do you not think any rabbi is aware of some of the inconsistencies and contradictions in their texts? or, equivalently, a muslim imam or christian clergyman? these people know all this stuff, lol.

the only people taking this stuff deadly literally seriously are bigots. the fundamentalist zanies and their strange mirror-images, the rabidly atheistic and anti-semitic edgelords. normal people are not deeply invested in what the old testament says about canaan, dilbert.

every nation-building ideology has some rather obvious empirical blindspots in their founding myth and supposed 'deep and ancestral ties'. there isn't a single nation state today whose image of itself maps with the actual historical territory. look at all the far-right xenophobes in europe today who are appealing to some 'traditional' or 'essential' state of their nation ... which never existed. a group which themselves migrated into the region in very recent history. there isn't a single nation state today with a culture and borders that would extend back 2500 years. this is just part of the standard nationalist gobbledigook that emerged as an adjunct to the transition to statehood and the modern world order. angles and saxons wouldn't have had a fucking clue what 'england' or 'the united kingdom' was. nor serfs toiling under the plantagenets in the middle ages, speaking a mixture of (old) french and (middle) english in a kingdom that encompassed a large chunk of north and northeastern france.

it's the equivalent of making a cartoon mocking at english patriots who wave around the st. george cross and swear on their 'threatened' identity in a world full of mass immigration. lolz, make a cartoon pointing out that they're staking their whole national identity on a patron saint from turkey!!! of course there's no fucking consistency between a nationalist ideology that was supercharged only recently in the 19th century and the actual historical facts of a patron saint walking around cappadocia in 280 AD and his gradual adoption into the mythos of the city of london/united kingdom. NONE of the myths of modern nation states hold up as soon as you examine them with a boorishly literal eye. traditions and 'muh culture' are silly invented dances and pageantry ALL THE WAY down.

the architects of zionism in the 19th century had a long scriptural tradition to draw upon for their national myth bingo, but the more pressing need was political, if not existential. they didn't need myths of slavery in egypt to make a case for their own nation-state in 1948. literally the only other group of people who prate on about this stuff as much as you is the ultra-orthodox inbred setters in the west bank.

Last edited by uziq (2025-05-30 04:09:33)

what is your point? many countries have made, or are currently making, claims for various types of exceptionalism.

what was "australia, the white man's land", if not an exceptionalist settler-colonial mindset? a landgrab from people there who were barely even worth acknowledging as being human at all?

you can still understand the forces at work in the genocide in gaza today without getting all wrapped up in and being boneheadedly literal about nationalist myths. analyse them for what they are: ideology and expressions of power. not being tediously pedantic about biblical textual studies or whatever the fuck.

Last edited by uziq (2025-05-30 08:43:09)