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2011-03-21 03:41:27
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


I'm sure someone else could make better use of your home than you.
Someone educated, professional, entrepreneurial.

Start packing, go live in the woods, you have to make way for your genetic superior, think of the big picture.
lol, more insults dilbert? shame on you, you know how much I hurt when personally attacked.
Its not an insult, but a suggestion to put yourself in their shoes.
by suggesting some should get my house who is educated or a professional? Neh yer right, don't see an insult lurking in there.
Actually, since I have nothing at stake in anything that goes on there, I tried to think about both sides, ( how about you?) and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. I would rather have Israel there, than another Islamic terrorist state. Sorry.
2011-03-21 03:59:31
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, and I'm probably leaning on your side of the argument, but it really has very little intrinsic value other than religious/cultural/historical value.
Dilbert and company are trying to portray the Jews as "invaders", "conquerers", mass murderers hell bent on 'genocide".

Is anything I pointed out,

1.  the size of the land mass in question ( most of it  useless before the Jews showed up),

2. the time taken for "genocide",

3.the lack of any REAL expansion in the interest of REAL "invasion" and "conquering"

4. the fact that the Jews actually gave land back to those they were just at war with,

5. the fact that IF the Jews were interested in conquering, they could do so in less than a week ( as PROVEN )

consistent with the description of any nation that was really hell bent on 'invasion" "conquering" and "genocide" ?
The size doesn't matter, its the fact its the Palestinians entire country - that there are other neighbouring arab countries is irrelevant.
Israel has effectively doubled or more in size since its foundation.

As I said, I'm sure there is someone who could make better use of your property - clearly you should think about the big picture and meekly hand it over.
Gee Dilbert, I think I made 5 excellent points regarding the murdering conquering and genocide you say is happening there, and you address only 1? Land size?

Yes size matters, Islam is so fuckin intolerant it will not allow a people of a different culture even to inhabit a wasteland they never really used. People that, through history, have every right to be there just as much as anyone else. Islam never gave a shit about Jerusalem. From what I understand it isn't even mentioned in the Koran.

Now everyone keeps harping on how young Islam is and to give it time to evolve, well Judaism isn't young and Jerusalem has ALWAYS been religiously significant to the Jews, almost as if they were there first? and yet a mosque sits on the Temple Mount? How do the Jews not have a historical claim there?
2011-03-21 04:11:05
Spark
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Okay lowing that's not really true. It's not mentioned explicitly but where it is referred to, it's fairly blatantly obvious to any sensible interpretation that Jerusalem is the city involved.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-03-21 04:20:47
lowing
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Spark wrote:

Okay lowing that's not really true. It's not mentioned explicitly but where it is referred to, it's fairly blatantly obvious to any sensible interpretation that Jerusalem is the city involved.
It is mentioned in the bible by name hundreds of times, and again, since Judaism is older than Islam, and the Jews were in Jerusalem BEFORE Islam even existed, how is it again, they have no claims there? and how did mosques get erected on Jewish holy sites, if the Jews do not belong there?

Muslims do not pray toward Jerusalem, they pray toward Mecca. Muslims don't pilgrimage to Jerusalem as does not play a part in their religious beliefs. Jerusalem's only significance to Islam is it is important to the Jews, and thus they can't have it.
2011-03-21 04:43:15
AussieReaper
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FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Neither.

One involves the mass killing of people based on their ethnicity (genocide).

The other involves the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing).

While what Israel is doing is close to the latter, it's not the same. The Pals are still there. They just don't have a homeland.
One involves the mass killing of people based on their ethnicity (genocide).

Yes, Palestinian.

The other involves the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing).

Palestinians are displaced. Take a look at the map. Read up on the number of Palestinian refugees.

How can you say that it is close? It isn't ethnic cleansing until they are all gone?
Facts don't support either argument. The Palestinian population has steadily grown over the years, despite your claims of Israeli "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". If the Israelis were doing either, they are failing miserably.
Take a look at how many of those are displaced and refugees living outside of Palestine.

Your criteria was "the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing)."

Are you going to tell me the Palestinians are not displaced?

The number of Palestinian refugees by country according to UNRWA in January 2010 were as follows:

    * Jordan 1,983,733
    * Lebanon 425,640
    * Syria 472,109
    * West Bank 778,993
    * Gaza Strip 1,106,195

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia … statistics

Millions.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2011-03-21 04:43:41
Spark
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They used to for a while. The al-Aqsa mosque is actually quite significant in some major branches of Islam IIRC and gets a heavy mention in parts of the Koran.

Not interested in getting in the "who was there first" argument, whole thing has always struck me as somewhat childish.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-03-21 04:53:50
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

lol, more insults dilbert? shame on you, you know how much I hurt when personally attacked.
Its not an insult, but a suggestion to put yourself in their shoes.
by suggesting some should get my house who is educated or a professional? Neh yer right, don't see an insult lurking in there.
Actually, since I have nothing at stake in anything that goes on there, I tried to think about both sides, ( how about you?) and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. I would rather have Israel there, than another Islamic terrorist state. Sorry.
You're suggesting the Palestinians are undeserving of their homeland and they should give it to the jews who will make more of it.

All I'm saying is no doubt there is someone somewhere smarter and harder working than you are - would you willingly hand your home to them and walk away with only the goods you can carry?

How about you have a go at the 'big picture'?

lowing wrote:

Yes size matters, Islam is so fuckin intolerant it will not allow a people of a different culture even to inhabit a wasteland they never really used. People that, through history, have every right to be there just as much as anyone else.
Islam isn't a single nation lowing, and the Palestinians aren't all muslim  by any stretch, nor is Jerusalem.

Like I said, America is a big place, you can afford to lose California. Its just a sliver of land inhabited by hippies and mexican illegals.
Why not give it to the jews, then we in the rest of the world won't be bothered by this problem?
Islam never gave a shit about Jerusalem. From what I understand it isn't even mentioned in the Koran.
https://i.picasion.com/pic38/2555670bb9da173bcd5f9e2edd79e29d.gif

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-21 04:58:24)

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2011-03-21 04:55:57
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


One involves the mass killing of people based on their ethnicity (genocide).

Yes, Palestinian.

The other involves the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing).

Palestinians are displaced. Take a look at the map. Read up on the number of Palestinian refugees.

How can you say that it is close? It isn't ethnic cleansing until they are all gone?
Facts don't support either argument. The Palestinian population has steadily grown over the years, despite your claims of Israeli "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". If the Israelis were doing either, they are failing miserably.
Take a look at how many of those are displaced and refugees living outside of Palestine.

Your criteria was "the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing)."

Are you going to tell me the Palestinians are not displaced?

The number of Palestinian refugees by country according to UNRWA in January 2010 were as follows:

    * Jordan 1,983,733
    * Lebanon 425,640
    * Syria 472,109
    * West Bank 778,993
    * Gaza Strip 1,106,195

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia … statistics

Millions.
"Are the Palestinians a separate and unique people, different from the other Arabs? When did the notion arise - of the Palestinians as a separate Arab people?

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough."

Are "Palestinians" simply not refugees from Arab lands?
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2011-03-21 05:02:29
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Are "Palestinians" simply not refugees from Arab lands?
No, that would be the jews.
Are the Palestinians a separate and unique people, different from the other Arabs?
Are the Saudis much different from the Kuwaitis? Does that mean the Israelis can seize Kuwait according to your bizarre logic?
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
So what? Why shouldn't they control 100% of it? It is theirs. They have more right to it than German and Russian tourists.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-21 05:04:40)

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2011-03-21 05:06:57
Shocking
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Just build a large demarcation zone a la north/south korea in the middle and be done with it.

Guess they're already planning something like that with the wall Israel is building.
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2011-03-21 05:08:00
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Are "Palestinians" simply not refugees from Arab lands?
No, that would be the jews.
Are the Palestinians a separate and unique people, different from the other Arabs?
Are the Saudis much different from the Kuwaitis? Does that mean the Israelis can seize Kuwait according to your bizarre logic?
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
So what? Why shouldn't they control 100% of it? It is theirs. They have more right to it than German and Russian tourists.
Stop cherry picking Dilbert, address the entire post.

address how the Jews were there before Islam, how Islam has built shit on top of Jewish holy sites, and yet you maintain the Jews have no claim there.

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-21 05:09:07)

2011-03-21 05:09:04
Dilbert_X
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Shocking wrote:

Just build a large demarcation zone a la north/south korea in the middle and be done with it.

Guess they're already planning something like that with the wall Israel is building.
The problem is its not on the border, plus the settlements outside the wall which are still being expanded.
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2011-03-21 05:12:18
Shocking
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The problem is its not on the border, plus the settlements outside the wall which are still being expanded.
Well it's being built now and when it's done I guess that's it.

Villages built by palestinian contractors, they're not exactly helping their own cause.
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2011-03-21 05:13:39
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

address how the Jews were there before Islam, how Islam has built shit on top of Jewish holy sites, and yet you maintain the Jews have no claim there.
This is nothing to do with Islam, thats the problem with your argument to begin with.

The Palestinians aren't jewish, thats the basic problem, it wouldn't matter if they were christian, buddhist, hindu, whatever, only jews are allowed apparently.

People were there before and after the jews (who left in a huff 2,000 years ago). Why do only the jews apparently have the right to rule Palestine, having been voluntarily absent for two millenia?
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2011-03-21 05:35:47
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

address how the Jews were there before Islam, how Islam has built shit on top of Jewish holy sites, and yet you maintain the Jews have no claim there.
This is nothing to do with Islam, thats the problem with your argument to begin with.

The Palestinians aren't jewish, thats the basic problem, it wouldn't matter if they were christian, buddhist, hindu, whatever, only jews are allowed apparently.

People were there before and after the jews (who left in a huff 2,000 years ago). Why do only the jews apparently have the right to rule Palestine, having been voluntarily absent for two millenia?
oh "voluntarily absent" is the key is it? I thought the Arab leaders told the Palestinians to leave the area, promising a speedy return. Glad we got that solved.

Thing is, the Palestinians did not want to live in a Jewish state, and the UN 181 was rejected as a compromise. They have been fighting ever since.

Regardless as to what you think Dilbert, like it or not, there are 2 sides to this story.
2011-03-21 05:56:36
Dilbert_X
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No, the jews were voluntarily absent for the last 2,000 years.
They didn't like pax romana and chose to try their luck elsewhere.

Why they think they can return after two millenia and boot everyone else out I don't know.
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2011-03-21 06:19:28
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lowing wrote:

Regardless as to what you think Dilbert, like it or not, there are 2 sides to this story.
That's what we have been trying to explain to you for about 5 years ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2011-03-21 06:20:12
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Regardless as to what you think Dilbert, like it or not, there are 2 sides to this story.
That's what we have been trying to explain to you for about 5 years ...
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2011-03-21 06:32:47
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Regardless as to what you think Dilbert, like it or not, there are 2 sides to this story.
That's what we have been trying to explain to you for about 5 years ...
and yet he argues strictly for the Palestinians and gives no acknowledgement to Israel.
2011-03-21 06:43:44
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Regardless as to what you think Dilbert, like it or not, there are 2 sides to this story.
That's what we have been trying to explain to you for about 5 years ...
and yet he argues strictly for the Palestinians and gives no acknowledgement to Israel.
I didn't say you were alone ...

With that said there have been comitted so many wrongs on both sides in that conflict it's difficult siding with any of them ...
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2011-03-21 06:48:56
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


That's what we have been trying to explain to you for about 5 years ...
and yet he argues strictly for the Palestinians and gives no acknowledgement to Israel.
I didn't say you were alone ...

With that said there have been comitted so many wrongs on both sides in that conflict it's difficult siding with any of them ...
Other than the fact that I would rather have a western friendly nation than yet another terrorist state, I agree.
2011-03-21 06:52:21
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


and yet he argues strictly for the Palestinians and gives no acknowledgement to Israel.
I didn't say you were alone ...

With that said there have been comitted so many wrongs on both sides in that conflict it's difficult siding with any of them ...
Other than the fact that I would rather have a western friendly nation than yet another terrorist state, I agree.
Yet another?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2011-03-21 07:06:59
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


I didn't say you were alone ...

With that said there have been comitted so many wrongs on both sides in that conflict it's difficult siding with any of them ...
Other than the fact that I would rather have a western friendly nation than yet another terrorist state, I agree.
Yet another?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Spon … _Terrorism
2011-03-21 07:51:06
Varegg
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Quite a short list ... and Cuba ... really?
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2011-03-21 08:07:57
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

Quite a short list ... and Cuba ... really?
i didn't write the list

 

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