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2011-03-17 05:25:09
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Again, if you want to prove no Arab nation will ever make peace with Israel try finding some recent quotes from leaders of Arab nations.
Not decades old quotes from people who aren't relevant to your argument.

I'll be happy to find recent quotes from Israeli leaders which prove they wouldn't take peace if it were offered, as their only interest is in seizing more Palestinian land and cleansing it of Palestinians.
I did you one better, I quoted those involved in the actual conflict.

By all means, and while you are at it, link me ( just don't tell me) what countries have officially recognized Israeli leaders as terrorists.

Since you ignored it, can I assume that, yet again, you refuse to address information and will just stick with attacking the source?

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2011-03-17 05:37:20
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Again, if you want to prove no Arab nation will ever make peace with Israel try finding some recent quotes from leaders of Arab nations.
Not decades old quotes from people who aren't relevant to your argument.

I'll be happy to find recent quotes from Israeli leaders which prove they wouldn't take peace if it were offered, as their only interest is in seizing more Palestinian land and cleansing it of Palestinians.
I did you one better, I quoted those involved in the actual conflict.
Last time, to prove no arab nation will ever make peace with Israel you need to quote leaders of arab nations, not a ragbag of palestinians and marginalised clerics from decades ago.

Effectively they have already made peace with Israel, the endless settlement expansion and killing and harassment of the remaining Palestinians is a problem which threatens the 'peace'.
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2011-03-17 05:44:32
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Again, if you want to prove no Arab nation will ever make peace with Israel try finding some recent quotes from leaders of Arab nations.
Not decades old quotes from people who aren't relevant to your argument.

I'll be happy to find recent quotes from Israeli leaders which prove they wouldn't take peace if it were offered, as their only interest is in seizing more Palestinian land and cleansing it of Palestinians.
I did you one better, I quoted those involved in the actual conflict.
Last time, to prove no arab nation will ever make peace with Israel you need to quote leaders of arab nations, not a ragbag of palestinians and marginalised clerics from decades ago.

Effectively they have already made peace with Israel, the endless settlement expansion and killing and harassment of the remaining Palestinians is a problem which threatens the 'peace'.
at the present, isn't the quotes of the leaders engaged in the conflict right now, what matters? Or are the ones leading the fight "irrelevant" in your eyes?

I can not help it if the Palestinians elect "ragbags" as their leaders, take that issue up with them, not me.

by the way, would quotes from the president of Iran, suffice? Or is he "irrelevant" since he does not fit into your argument?

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2011-03-17 05:50:04
Dilbert_X
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Ragbag of palestinians and clerics, not palestinian ragbags......

lowing wrote:

isn't aren't the quotes of the leaders engaged in the conflict right now, what matters? mattter?
Quite probably, please try to find some quotes from some of them which are timely and relevant.....

lowing wrote:

by the way, would quotes from the president if Iran, suffice? Or is he "irrelevant" since he does not fit into your argument?
Iran is neither arab nor a neighbouring country so no, he doesn't fit with your argument.

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2011-03-17 06:01:47
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Ragbag of palestinians and clerics, not palestinian ragbags......

lowing wrote:

isn't aren't the quotes of the leaders engaged in the conflict right now, what matters? mattter?
Quite probably, please try to find some quotes from some of them which are timely and relevant.....

lowing wrote:

by the way, would quotes from the president if Iran, suffice? Or is he "irrelevant" since he does not fit into your argument?
Iran is neither arab nor a neighbouring country so no, he doesn't fit with your argument.
is there a difference.

Already did that, the quotes were from the leaders of the conflict and they were referring to the current conflict. and since they were talking about the current conflict, they are relevant.

lol, I see, so one of the major and significant nations in the ME is not relevant, and quotes from those that are fighting the war right now are not relevant.

Keep going Dilbert, I am sure if you keep adding restraints to what you will accept as relevant, you will eventually box your criteria in such a way to  prove yourself right
2011-03-17 06:12:48
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There is a very big difference between the Arab nations and Iran tbf. On a political level, probably much more so than the difference between the Arab nations and Israel - they know Israel won't do anything overly untoward towards them. On the other hand they are shitscared of Iran.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-03-17 06:45:45
lowing
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Spark wrote:

There is a very big difference between the Arab nations and Iran tbf. On a political level, probably much more so than the difference between the Arab nations and Israel - they know Israel won't do anything overly untoward towards them. On the other hand they are shitscared of Iran.
iran is relevant sorry. if iran and israel went to war, which side do you think the other arab and islamic nations will fall by default?

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2011-03-17 22:01:23
Spark
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Israel for sure. Without a shadow of a doubt.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-03-17 22:47:05
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Spark wrote:

Israel for sure. Without a shadow of a doubt.
^^

For a few reasons-
1. U.S. money, and military is enough to both entice and intimidate the Arab states in the area.
2. The people of Iran and their ancestors have been fighting the Arabs and their ancestors and since the beginning of recorded history. They hate each other on a level we'll probably never understand. The Jews aren't enough to forget that much history.
3. There's also that whole Sunni-Shia thing. The Iraqis butchered each other mercilessly over who was the correct heir to Mohammad's throne.

Off the top of my head those would be the top three aside from the obvious 'maintaining the balance of regional power' thing.
2011-03-17 22:51:39
Spark
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Yeah, but the overriding thing is the balance of regional power for mine.

Israel isn't about to invade Saudi to grab their oil with or without Iran there as a counterweight. Same can't really be said for Iran in the converse situation - although part of that is for the reasons you state. I suspect Iran deeply covets Saudi's religious and economic assets too.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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2011-03-18 00:21:04
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

lol, I see, so one of the major and significant nations in the ME is not relevant, and quotes from those that are fighting the war right now are not relevant.

Keep going Dilbert, I am sure if you keep adding restraints to what you will accept as relevant, you will eventually box your criteria in such a way to  prove yourself right
They were your constraints not mine, you're just making an idiot of yourself quoting things which aren't relevant to what you yourself are claiming.
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2011-03-18 04:16:23
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

lol, I see, so one of the major and significant nations in the ME is not relevant, and quotes from those that are fighting the war right now are not relevant.

Keep going Dilbert, I am sure if you keep adding restraints to what you will accept as relevant, you will eventually box your criteria in such a way to  prove yourself right
They were your constraints not mine, you're just making an idiot of yourself quoting things which aren't relevant to what you yourself are claiming.
Dilbert, they were quotes from leaders and clerics, influencing this conflict, how are they not relevant? How is when I say Islamic nations want Israel destroyed, and quote Iran's PRESIDENT saying as much and you tell me that doesn't count and that I am an idiot? Perfect example of what I said in the other thread about your tactics.


So lets back up and get clear here then:

Are you saying it is your position, that all Islamic and Arab countries accept Israel  and are ready to, now and forever, accept its existence and live in peace? Is this your position?
2011-03-18 04:43:56
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lowing wrote:

How is when I say Islamic nations want Israel destroyed, and quote Iran's PRESIDENT saying as much
He hasn't said that.
Are you saying it is your position, that all Islamic and Arab countries accept Israel  and are ready to, now and forever, accept its existence and live in peace? Is this your position?
For about the 10th time, yes. They won't be happy about it and when Israel expands its borders even further they'll get angry again.
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2011-03-18 04:49:43
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

How is when I say Islamic nations want Israel destroyed, and quote Iran's PRESIDENT saying as much
He hasn't said that.
Are you saying it is your position, that all Islamic and Arab countries accept Israel  and are ready to, now and forever, accept its existence and live in peace? Is this your position?
For about the 10th time, yes. They won't be happy about it and when Israel expands its borders even further they'll get angry again.
ok lets reverse then, you show me where the Arab and Islamic nations are willing to accept Israel and live in peace. Good luck since you have about 5000 years of hate and war your up against.
2011-03-18 04:52:25
Dilbert_X
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No, lets not, you prove your argument for once.

Then I'll respond.
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2011-03-18 05:05:00
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

No, lets not, you prove your argument for once.

Then I'll respond.
Well Dilbert, I can't.

when you will not accept:

stated agendas that disagrees with you

quotes that disagrees with you

information that disagrees with you

sites that disagrees with you

history that disagrees with you

actions that disagrees with you

That is all I got. I am reduced to accepting whatever proof you have that Islam wants to live in peace with Israel. So lay it on me.
2011-03-18 05:06:25
Dilbert_X
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You need to try a real argument.
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2011-03-18 05:07:51
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

You need to try a real argument.
as I said
I listed all I have, that is all I got.
2011-03-18 05:52:24
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Let us work together until we achieve victory and regain liberated Jerusalem.
Yasser Arafat,
Baghdad Republic of Iraq Radio Network, November 16, 1991
From 20 years ago, Arafat is dead, is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation and Jerusalem was never legally a part of Israel.

.Allah willing, this unjust state...Israel will be erased; this unjust state, the United States will be erased; this unjust state, Britain will be erased...Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah...Blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons' and plunged into the midst of the Jews...
Sermon by Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi
a few days after Yasser Arafat's cease-fire declaration
PA Television, June 8, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We said from the beginning that there is no ceasefire for the settlers.
Fatah leader or national, Ziad ibu-Aid,
International Herald Tribune, June 20, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, the settlements are illegal under international law - seems fair.

Just as Ramallah, Gaza, Nablus, and Jenin are Palestinian cities, so are Haifa, Nazareth, Jaffa, Ramle, Lod, Beersheba, Safed, and others Palestinian cities....The Zionist Jews are foreigners in this land. They have no right to live or settle in it. They should go somewhere else in the world to establish their state and their false entity...They must leave their homes...We do not believe in so-called 'peace with Israel' because peace cannot be made with Satan. Israel is the greatest Satan.
Palestinian Christian cleric Father 'Atallah Hanna,
sermon in the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Jerusalem, January 19, 2003
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.
Our position is clear: all of Palestine. Every inch of Palestine belongs to the Muslims.
Mahmoud Zahar, senior leader or national of Hamas,
Quoted in the Jerusalem Post, November 14, 2003
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We will continue our martyrdom operations inside Israel until all our lands are liberated, by God's will....We won't lay down our weapons as long as Jerusalem and the West Bank are under occupation.
Muhamemd Hijazi, commander of a Fatah- affiliated militias in the Gaza Strip
Jerusalem Post, September 12, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We will not rest and will not abandon the path of Jihad and martyrdom as long as one inch of our land remained in the hands of the Jews.
Raed Saed, a senior Hamas leader or national
Ynet News, September 19, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
of all this Palestinian land, and all the Arabic nation, is all part of the same area. In the past, there was no independent Palestinian state; there was no independent Jordanian state; and so on. There were regions called Iraq or Egypt, but they were all part of one country....Our main goal is to establish a great Islamic state, be it pan-Arabic or pan-Islamic.
Mahmoud A-Zahhar, the leader or national of Hamas in the Gaza Strip
The Media Line, September 22, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
By Allah, I will drive them crazy. By Allah, I will turn this agreement into a curse for them. By Allah, perhaps not in my lifetime, but you will live to see the Israelis flee from Palestine. Have a little patience.
Al-Quds Al-Arabi Editor-in-Chief Abd Al-Bari Atwan
on Arafat's comments to him regarding the Oslo agreement
ANB TV, February 16, 2006
He's a journalist, not a leader or national of a neighbouring state.
The Palestinian people accepted the Oslo agreements as a first step and not as a permanent arrangement, based on the premise that the war and struggle on the ground (i.e., locally against Israeli territory) is more efficient than a struggle from a distant land... for the Palestinian people will continue the revolution until they achieve the goals of the '65 revolution...
PA Minister of Supply Abd El Aziz Shahian,
Al Ayaam, May 30, 2000.
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.

Our people have hope for the future, that the Occupation State ceases to exist, and that it makes no difference [how great] its power and arrogance...

PA Minister of Communications, Amad Alfalugi,
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 18, 1999
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, seems reasonable to hope not to be occupied.

When we picked up the gun in '65 and the modern Palestinian Revolution began, it had a goal. This goal has not changed and it is the liberation of Palestine.
Salim Alwadia Abu Salem, Supervisor of Palestinian Political Affairs,
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, January 20, 2000
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, seems reasonable to want to free your homeland from foreign occupiers.

If we agree to declare our state over what is now 22 percent of Palestine, meaning the West Bank and Gaza, our ultimate goal is the liberation of all historic Palestine from the River to the Sea...We distinguish the strategic, long-term goals from the political phased goals, which we are compelled to temporarily accept due to international pressure.
Faisal al-Husseini,
Al-Arabi, June 24, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation

Israel is much smaller than Iran in land mass, and therefore far more vulnerable to nuclear attack.
Former Iranian President Ali Rafsanjani,
quoted in Jerusalem Report, March 11, 2002
Statement of simple fact.


We defeated the Crusaders 800 years ago and we will defeat the enemies of Islam today.
Nazareth Deputy Mayor Salman Abu Ahmed,
quoted in Jerusalem Report, March 4, 2002
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
...we shall return to the 1967 borders, but it does not mean that we have given up on Jerusalem and Haifa, Jaffa, Lod, Ramla, Nayanyah [Al-Zuhour] and Tel Aviv [Tel Al-Rabia]. Never. We shall return to every village we had been expelled from, by Allah's will....Our approval to return to the 1967 borders is not a concession for our other rights. No!..this generation might not achieve this stage, but generations will come, and the land of Palestine...will demand that the Palestinians return the way Muhammad returned there, as a conqueror.
Sheikh Ibrahim Mudyris,
Friday sermon, February 4, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.
Hamas would “definitely not be prepared for coexistence with Israel should the IDF retreat to its 1967 borders. “It can be a temporary solution, for a maximum of 5 to 10 years. But in the end Palestine must return to become Muslim, and in the long term Israel will disappear from the face of the earth.
Hamas leader or national Mahmoud al-Zahar
Yediot Ahronot, June 24, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation

Our brothers in Jerusalem and the West Bank, I am sure that Gaza is just the beginning of the process In the next phase, we will defeat the occupation [in your area] Residents of Occupied Palestine of 1948, in my name and in the name of all Gaza Strip residents, I ask you for your assistance to us and to our Jihad We shall not rest until our entire holy land is liberated
Muhammad Deif,
Commander of the 'Izz Al-Din Al-Qassem Brigades,
the military wing of Hamas,
August 27, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We use one voice in all forums. But we also say that we are dealing realistically with the current phase - an independent Palestinian state with full sovereignty over the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. That is what we presented to our people in our elections platform."

Interviewer: “Is this a partial or phased solution?
Musa Abu Marzouq: “Yes, it is a temporary and phased solution. This is not the permanent solution.”

Interview with Hamas Political Bureau deputy head Musa Abu Marzouq,
Dream 2 TV (Sudan), February 13, 2006
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.

Now, do you have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER which backs your claim that neighbouring islamic nations will never make peace with Israel (They've had peace and various treaties for 40 years now) and not a ragbag of quotes only from the Palestinians themselves?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-18 05:54:57)

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2011-03-18 06:04:08
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Let us work together until we achieve victory and regain liberated Jerusalem.
Yasser Arafat,
Baghdad Republic of Iraq Radio Network, November 16, 1991
From 20 years ago, Arafat is dead, is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation and Jerusalem was never legally a part of Israel.

.Allah willing, this unjust state...Israel will be erased; this unjust state, the United States will be erased; this unjust state, Britain will be erased...Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah...Blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons' and plunged into the midst of the Jews...
Sermon by Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi
a few days after Yasser Arafat's cease-fire declaration
PA Television, June 8, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We said from the beginning that there is no ceasefire for the settlers.
Fatah leader or national, Ziad ibu-Aid,
International Herald Tribune, June 20, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, the settlements are illegal under international law - seems fair.

Just as Ramallah, Gaza, Nablus, and Jenin are Palestinian cities, so are Haifa, Nazareth, Jaffa, Ramle, Lod, Beersheba, Safed, and others Palestinian cities....The Zionist Jews are foreigners in this land. They have no right to live or settle in it. They should go somewhere else in the world to establish their state and their false entity...They must leave their homes...We do not believe in so-called 'peace with Israel' because peace cannot be made with Satan. Israel is the greatest Satan.
Palestinian Christian cleric Father 'Atallah Hanna,
sermon in the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Jerusalem, January 19, 2003
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.
Our position is clear: all of Palestine. Every inch of Palestine belongs to the Muslims.
Mahmoud Zahar, senior leader or national of Hamas,
Quoted in the Jerusalem Post, November 14, 2003
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We will continue our martyrdom operations inside Israel until all our lands are liberated, by God's will....We won't lay down our weapons as long as Jerusalem and the West Bank are under occupation.
Muhamemd Hijazi, commander of a Fatah- affiliated militias in the Gaza Strip
Jerusalem Post, September 12, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We will not rest and will not abandon the path of Jihad and martyrdom as long as one inch of our land remained in the hands of the Jews.
Raed Saed, a senior Hamas leader or national
Ynet News, September 19, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
of all this Palestinian land, and all the Arabic nation, is all part of the same area. In the past, there was no independent Palestinian state; there was no independent Jordanian state; and so on. There were regions called Iraq or Egypt, but they were all part of one country....Our main goal is to establish a great Islamic state, be it pan-Arabic or pan-Islamic.
Mahmoud A-Zahhar, the leader or national of Hamas in the Gaza Strip
The Media Line, September 22, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
By Allah, I will drive them crazy. By Allah, I will turn this agreement into a curse for them. By Allah, perhaps not in my lifetime, but you will live to see the Israelis flee from Palestine. Have a little patience.
Al-Quds Al-Arabi Editor-in-Chief Abd Al-Bari Atwan
on Arafat's comments to him regarding the Oslo agreement
ANB TV, February 16, 2006
He's a journalist, not a leader or national of a neighbouring state.
The Palestinian people accepted the Oslo agreements as a first step and not as a permanent arrangement, based on the premise that the war and struggle on the ground (i.e., locally against Israeli territory) is more efficient than a struggle from a distant land... for the Palestinian people will continue the revolution until they achieve the goals of the '65 revolution...
PA Minister of Supply Abd El Aziz Shahian,
Al Ayaam, May 30, 2000.
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.

Our people have hope for the future, that the Occupation State ceases to exist, and that it makes no difference [how great] its power and arrogance...

PA Minister of Communications, Amad Alfalugi,
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 18, 1999
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, seems reasonable to hope not to be occupied.

When we picked up the gun in '65 and the modern Palestinian Revolution began, it had a goal. This goal has not changed and it is the liberation of Palestine.
Salim Alwadia Abu Salem, Supervisor of Palestinian Political Affairs,
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, January 20, 2000
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation, seems reasonable to want to free your homeland from foreign occupiers.

If we agree to declare our state over what is now 22 percent of Palestine, meaning the West Bank and Gaza, our ultimate goal is the liberation of all historic Palestine from the River to the Sea...We distinguish the strategic, long-term goals from the political phased goals, which we are compelled to temporarily accept due to international pressure.
Faisal al-Husseini,
Al-Arabi, June 24, 2001
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation

Israel is much smaller than Iran in land mass, and therefore far more vulnerable to nuclear attack.
Former Iranian President Ali Rafsanjani,
quoted in Jerusalem Report, March 11, 2002
Statement of simple fact.


We defeated the Crusaders 800 years ago and we will defeat the enemies of Islam today.
Nazareth Deputy Mayor Salman Abu Ahmed,
quoted in Jerusalem Report, March 4, 2002
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
...we shall return to the 1967 borders, but it does not mean that we have given up on Jerusalem and Haifa, Jaffa, Lod, Ramla, Nayanyah [Al-Zuhour] and Tel Aviv [Tel Al-Rabia]. Never. We shall return to every village we had been expelled from, by Allah's will....Our approval to return to the 1967 borders is not a concession for our other rights. No!..this generation might not achieve this stage, but generations will come, and the land of Palestine...will demand that the Palestinians return the way Muhammad returned there, as a conqueror.
Sheikh Ibrahim Mudyris,
Friday sermon, February 4, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.
Hamas would “definitely not be prepared for coexistence with Israel should the IDF retreat to its 1967 borders. “It can be a temporary solution, for a maximum of 5 to 10 years. But in the end Palestine must return to become Muslim, and in the long term Israel will disappear from the face of the earth.
Hamas leader or national Mahmoud al-Zahar
Yediot Ahronot, June 24, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation

Our brothers in Jerusalem and the West Bank, I am sure that Gaza is just the beginning of the process In the next phase, we will defeat the occupation [in your area] Residents of Occupied Palestine of 1948, in my name and in the name of all Gaza Strip residents, I ask you for your assistance to us and to our Jihad We shall not rest until our entire holy land is liberated
Muhammad Deif,
Commander of the 'Izz Al-Din Al-Qassem Brigades,
the military wing of Hamas,
August 27, 2005
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation
We use one voice in all forums. But we also say that we are dealing realistically with the current phase - an independent Palestinian state with full sovereignty over the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. That is what we presented to our people in our elections platform."

Interviewer: “Is this a partial or phased solution?
Musa Abu Marzouq: “Yes, it is a temporary and phased solution. This is not the permanent solution.”

Interview with Hamas Political Bureau deputy head Musa Abu Marzouq,
Dream 2 TV (Sudan), February 13, 2006
Is not a leader or national of a neighbouring islamic nation.

Now, do you have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER which backs your claim that neighbouring islamic nations will never make peace with Israel (They've had peace and various treaties for 40 years now) and not a ragbag of quotes only from the Palestinians themselves?
uummmmm what is so significant of them being "neighboring  islamic nations", take a look at the map of the ME, that little sliver is Israel the rest of it is surrounding Arab and Islamic nations...What is your point?

also did you read the titles of the people you say are not leaders?
2011-03-18 06:06:34
Dilbert_X
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All but two of them are Palestinians, how do any of those quotes support your argument?
You think muslims groupthink?
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2011-03-18 06:17:56
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

All but two of them are Palestinians, how do any of those quotes support your argument?
You think muslims groupthink?
They are the quotes from Islamic leaders!! and not from 70 years ago! how are they insignificant and how is Israel supposed to ignore it? and how can you dismiss their agenda and attitude as meaningless? Not sure how those quotes DO NOT support my argument.

lol Like I said, all I have are stated agendas, history, and action. If that is not good enough to pose an argument for you, then I have nothing more to add.
2011-03-18 15:35:22
Dilbert_X
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Islamic leaders - in Palestine, not from elsewhere - as I said do you really think muslims are like the Borg? Obviously you do.

Do you think Polish priests had any real say in the future shape of Europe at the end of WW2?

You're so wound up about muslims you can't think straight or construct a coherent argument.
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2011-03-18 15:46:10
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Islamic leaders - in Palestine, not from elsewhere - as I said do you really think muslims are like the Borg? Obviously you do.

Do you think Polish priests had any real say in the future shape of Europe at the end of WW2?

You're so wound up about muslims you can't think straight or construct a coherent argument.
Uhhhhh correct me if I am wrong, it IS the conflict between PALESTINIANS  and Israel we are talking about........right?


lol actually I am not wound up by Muslims, try arguing the issues and keep what you think about me personally out of it, I am quite irrelevant to this issue.
2011-03-18 15:48:08
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Uhhhhh correct me if I am wrong, it IS the conflict between PALESTINIANS  and Israel we are talking about........right?
However your argument was that "no neighbouring islamic nation will make peace with Israel".

I doubt the Palestinians ever will, but thats not what you're claiming.
Fuck Israel

 

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