I stopped playing RO2 about a couple weeks after buying it. It's feels really stale. The shooting mechanics are good, but everything else feels like a blander version of infantry combat in bf1942.
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I don't have this tourneyfag ideology towards games. I only play them for fun.
Thank you for saying this.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
cod1/cod2 nurtured a generation of the best fps gamers/community tbh. he needs to nuance his argument. too many idiots refer to 'call of duty' with the myopic history of console kiddies.
I don't know how many people are out there that know "the truth" but CoD2/Xbox live changed the series forever. I called it. I said "this will be the end of pc fps" but did anyone believe me? NO. Now look what happened. The plague that is CoD has now spread its slimy tentacles into almost every corner of the shooter world. No one knows the truth.
I would pay 60 bucks for an updated BF2.Macbeth wrote:
The $20 HD games are kinda of admitting you don't have anything else to go on. Why release a $20 HD BF2 if you can still make money pumping out $15 DLC and keep your AAA game alive. If you have a $60 game lined up there is no good reason to hook a good portion of your potential audience to a cheaper game.
i haven't played in a league/tournament since, like, 2009. but i do still like my games to have a skillcurve, and a lot of room for both individual and team performance. most modern FPS games are just poor - the same rehashes of already-poor games from the later 00's. very few games still allow for the traditional 'hardcore' mixture of movement, aim, map-knowledge, and strategy/technique (i.e. having lots of guns/classes available; different guns for different teams, etc.). most modern fps games completely drop 'complex' movement that has to be practiced a lot - most even drop peek/lean nowadays ffs - and as for the rest... well. modern warfare has no recoil/aim involved, and neither did bf3. most maps are shite and have yet to top the classic quake/cs/tfc/cod maps - which are being remade and reimported into latterday titles (cod4 chinatown anyone?).Roc18 wrote:
I don't have this tourneyfag ideology towards games. I only play them for fun.
it's not about 'i'm not going to play this game unless it's tournament worthy'. it's about desiring a certain level of depth, and hence a certain amount of stuff to learn/improve upon. it's not even bragworthy to say that, within a week or two of picking up a game like bf3/modern warfare 17, you rae topping every single pub-server and every single mix situation with ease. there is just nothing to these games. visually impressive, but desperately lacking on substance.
cod3 was the first console-exclusive one. though cod2 did start to make some compromises, it still generally played really well on pc. i remember hating it at the time compared to the high mark that was cod1, but in retrospect... we didn't know how good we had it. games, maps, weapons, teams, leagueplay etc. was still designed with PC in mind then.Spearhead wrote:
Thank you for saying this.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
cod1/cod2 nurtured a generation of the best fps gamers/community tbh. he needs to nuance his argument. too many idiots refer to 'call of duty' with the myopic history of console kiddies.
I don't know how many people are out there that know "the truth" but CoD2/Xbox live changed the series forever. I called it. I said "this will be the end of pc fps" but did anyone believe me? NO. Now look what happened. The plague that is CoD has now spread its slimy tentacles into almost every corner of the shooter world. No one knows the truth.
do you still have dod:s uzi?
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yes i do, and i drag a few bf2s'ers into games every now and then. we have our spurts.
dod was a great game. of all the source games though, it suffered most the import to source engine imo. dod1.3/dod1.6 was AS GOOD as cod2 when it came to ww2 shooters. it was amazing. the league/clanscene on it were tighter knit and more supportive than in any other source game too - cs, tfc, ricochet, whatever. but dod:source seemed to get neglected by valve; it was like the ugly duckling of the portfolio. i guess ww2 games 'went out of fashion', at the dictate of the major companies behind cod/medal of honor, so valve just stopped supporting day of defeat.
a great game though. another game that benefits from amazing movement, incredibly difficult/rewarding shooting, and amazing maps.
dod was a great game. of all the source games though, it suffered most the import to source engine imo. dod1.3/dod1.6 was AS GOOD as cod2 when it came to ww2 shooters. it was amazing. the league/clanscene on it were tighter knit and more supportive than in any other source game too - cs, tfc, ricochet, whatever. but dod:source seemed to get neglected by valve; it was like the ugly duckling of the portfolio. i guess ww2 games 'went out of fashion', at the dictate of the major companies behind cod/medal of honor, so valve just stopped supporting day of defeat.
a great game though. another game that benefits from amazing movement, incredibly difficult/rewarding shooting, and amazing maps.
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<3 bolt actions on dods. ill try and hop on it at the weekend
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the day of defeat kar is one of the most iconic weapons in pc fps history, imo. it's a weapon that's so good it induces its own type of game/playing style.
When Black Ops 2 had its freekend on Steam, I gave it a go even though I was already hopelessly prejudiced against it for everything the commercials highlighted and the fact that it was a Treyarch game. As much as I tried to play it, in the middle of a game I would just go "what the fuck am I doing here" and contemplate how I was wasting my time. It's a far cry from the original Call of Duty games where you had to guess enemy strategy and movement, because now you've got fucking robots and shit with which to kill them. The guns are all very similar, so it doesn't matter which one you choose, because it'll still take half a clip to actually kill someone. Not to mention the interface where every little goddamn thing pops up on the screen, no matter how insignificant, to reward you like some freaking Skinner Box.
best ever
i feel sorry for everyone that missed this generation of games. the community and everything was just electric. everyone used terrible programs like mIRC/all seeing eye/xfire in order to just get together the most basic organisation/contact/match arrangement. terrible leagues made using early PHP module websites/sql databases - back when a 'php website' alone was something fancy and above the HTML/flash norm (). i remember helping run a league for an early cod1 game, doing table/database management and verifying teams/players/inactives. i was like 13. but the community was just that great - and so positive, even whilst being incredibly hardcore/competitive. you just don't have that anymore. even with things like steam/steam friends, the gaming community feels shattered. everyone's just chasing their own achievements/ELO/hats/whatever. has completely lost its sense of focus and camaraderie.
/nostalghia
i feel sorry for everyone that missed this generation of games. the community and everything was just electric. everyone used terrible programs like mIRC/all seeing eye/xfire in order to just get together the most basic organisation/contact/match arrangement. terrible leagues made using early PHP module websites/sql databases - back when a 'php website' alone was something fancy and above the HTML/flash norm (). i remember helping run a league for an early cod1 game, doing table/database management and verifying teams/players/inactives. i was like 13. but the community was just that great - and so positive, even whilst being incredibly hardcore/competitive. you just don't have that anymore. even with things like steam/steam friends, the gaming community feels shattered. everyone's just chasing their own achievements/ELO/hats/whatever. has completely lost its sense of focus and camaraderie.
/nostalghia
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Lets be fair to Battlefield, it never was, and should never be, a "competitive game". Its a first person multiplayer sandbox. It will never be as fluid or as smooth as CoD or CS, which is why no matter how much I might enjoy playing BF3 from time to time, after prolonged periods it becomes complete, utter, crap. When I shoot, I want the bullets to go where I'm aiming at. What's the point of having 20 different scopes when only 2 or 3 of them are of any practical use? Just yesterday I had an LMG, 3.4 scope and a bipod and was up against an engineer with a carbine and a holo sight. We were probably 50m away. Guess who won? He did. BF3 has some of the worst feature creep I've ever seen in a game -- lets make all the guns as realistic as a military sim, lets make bullet drop, velocity, calibers actually affect each and every gun in a different way. Lets make the foregrip lower recoil at long range, or don't. I don't even know anymore.
My point being, BF3, CoD, etc. even Halo. ALL of the shooters these days are no longer innovating. No new fresh ideas (the last fresh idea I actually liked was the destruction in Bad company, which came out like 5 years ago). They are all tweaking the hell out of everything, throwing in as much shit as they think the game can handle, with absolutely no long-term thinking. I just want a good shooter, like BF2, where I can come back after playing 200 hours and discover a new tactic, hideout, playstyle, etc. that I hadn't thought of before. A game that doesn't get stale after 20-40 hours of playing.
My point being, BF3, CoD, etc. even Halo. ALL of the shooters these days are no longer innovating. No new fresh ideas (the last fresh idea I actually liked was the destruction in Bad company, which came out like 5 years ago). They are all tweaking the hell out of everything, throwing in as much shit as they think the game can handle, with absolutely no long-term thinking. I just want a good shooter, like BF2, where I can come back after playing 200 hours and discover a new tactic, hideout, playstyle, etc. that I hadn't thought of before. A game that doesn't get stale after 20-40 hours of playing.
I bet you and I played together back in the day. Did you ever play at Deep6 United Offensive SD server?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
best ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALs2RLivJ8
i feel sorry for everyone that missed this generation of games. the community and everything was just electric. everyone used terrible programs like mIRC/all seeing eye/xfire in order to just get together the most basic organisation/contact/match arrangement. terrible leagues made using early PHP module websites/sql databases - back when a 'php website' alone was something fancy and above the HTML/flash norm (). i remember helping run a league for an early cod1 game, doing table/database management and verifying teams/players/inactives. i was like 13. but the community was just that great - and so positive, even whilst being incredibly hardcore/competitive. you just don't have that anymore. even with things like steam/steam friends, the gaming community feels shattered. everyone's just chasing their own achievements/ELO/hats/whatever. has completely lost its sense of focus and camaraderie.
/nostalghia
Lol I played BF3 so much it killed my laptop. But it's definitely not the classic BF2 was.
ah good point, definitely true.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
who the fuck would want to watch a RO2 match? please. give me tf2 airshots anyday.
they're fun to play in, but not very fun to watch
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I don't have this tourneyfag ideology towards games. I only play them for fun.
I don't understand how anyone can bear to watch any sorts of game being played by somebody else. People I talk to are always on about Starcraft/DOTA streams and tourney stuff and it just makes me want to put a bullet in my head.
Agree. Tournaments are super lame to watch.
one thing that tends to get overlooked was the quality of the internet back in those days. i started out my first 'pro' team experience actually on dial-up 56k, lying through my teeth to everyone that questioned my suspect ping/rates that i had some fucked-up DSL (i didn't even know what DSL was when i was 13/14 and just starting in serious teams; it was a serious fucking blag!). most of my gaming was done on 512k - and that was a luxury, lording above the 256kbps noobs. so, in a roundabout way to answer your question: no, the EU and NA scenes existed basically in hermetically separate bubbles back then. the internet just wasnt good enough to make it playable. that's why LAN's were so major back then, as well, and why terribly misguided corporate-types paid to have me and friends shuttled around the UK in a minibus to play games. internet was bad, bad, bad.Spearhead wrote:
I bet you and I played together back in the day. Did you ever play at Deep6 United Offensive SD server?Uzique The Lesser wrote:
best ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALs2RLivJ8
i feel sorry for everyone that missed this generation of games. the community and everything was just electric. everyone used terrible programs like mIRC/all seeing eye/xfire in order to just get together the most basic organisation/contact/match arrangement. terrible leagues made using early PHP module websites/sql databases - back when a 'php website' alone was something fancy and above the HTML/flash norm (). i remember helping run a league for an early cod1 game, doing table/database management and verifying teams/players/inactives. i was like 13. but the community was just that great - and so positive, even whilst being incredibly hardcore/competitive. you just don't have that anymore. even with things like steam/steam friends, the gaming community feels shattered. everyone's just chasing their own achievements/ELO/hats/whatever. has completely lost its sense of focus and camaraderie.
/nostalghia
the new 'spectators are all that matters' esports model is a travesty, imo. people who sit around watching LoL tournaments with their cable news style elaborate presenter/graphics set-ups are sad as fuck. ditto the gaming/team cult of personality culture that develops around these franchise teams - "gotta have a favourite!". it's just lame. it has turned gaming from an active hobbyist pursuit - e.g. the early cod days, where everyone took part and had a place - to a passive consumption model, e.g. LoL and SC2, where the majority of gamers get their taste of 'high level' play through a twitch.tv link or a reddit discussion board. it's so sad. and the saddest thing: the cynical gaming/esports companies love it this way. they prefer it. back in the cod1/cod2 days, people buying a single cd-key for a game, one-off purchase, and then playing for 1000's of hours in player-run, non-corporate, largely un-sponsored leagues? the business interests only intersected with that scene when it went to LAN's, for sponsorship and gear prizes, etc. the new model? everyone tuning into streaming services that bombard you with adverts and click-through revenues? GENIUS. the gaming companies could obviously care less if the modern generation of gamer even buy or play the game. they're making far more money by encouraging everyone to just sit back, pop a mountain dew, and watch...DesertFox- wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can bear to watch any sorts of game being played by somebody else. People I talk to are always on about Starcraft/DOTA streams and tourney stuff and it just makes me want to put a bullet in my head.
lame in the extreme.
Ah, ok. Well for my UO clan (I think I was like 13-14) we had a british guy, two canadians, a fin, and like 6-7 Americans. Deep6 was the clan that ran THE BEST Search and Destroy server. Kind of sad, in a nerdy way, but those were some of the edit - funnest and most interesting years of my childhood. lol.
We did twl, did lots of scrimming. Never really made it to "semi-pro" or whatever. We were just a group of friends who enjoyed playing and dabbled into competitive play here and there. I remember, it was a big deal because I was so young, but they made me the leader of our clans 2v2 rifles only squad. I think we lost the entire tournament by like 1 shot
We did twl, did lots of scrimming. Never really made it to "semi-pro" or whatever. We were just a group of friends who enjoyed playing and dabbled into competitive play here and there. I remember, it was a big deal because I was so young, but they made me the leader of our clans 2v2 rifles only squad. I think we lost the entire tournament by like 1 shot
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I think they do, that's why LoL and DotA 2 are free (with microtransactions ofc), so people can have the illusion of participation in said games, even though they probably don't put nearly enough time compared to the pros into studying the meta, etc.Uzique The Lesser wrote:
the gaming companies could obviously care less if the modern generation of gamer even buy or play the game. they're making far more money by encouraging everyone to just sit back, pop a mountain dew, and watch...
lame in the extreme.
haha i definitely feel that way about the naive and nostalgic cod1/WoW days. back then i was at the highest level of the pro-scene, and my xfire friends list read like a rolodex of 1337 pr0 gam0rz. seeing the normal habitual sight of everyone grinding out 5-6 hours of cod a day with the little cod-star symbol next to their name turn into a sea of gold 'W's... as WoW slowly bit in. that was fully the best time in gaming, for me. FPS games were absolutely brilliant, the best they've ever been, and this new odd thing called WoW had come along... in early-release/vanilla phase... little did i know then, playing it as a clueless first-time MMO'er, that me and my gaming buddies were experiencing the best that the pc gaming scene has prolly ever offered. couple that with the early broadband access i had, and the first actually-decent gaming pc i managed to put together from competitive wins/league prizes, and the whole WoW experience really took off...
damn.
damn.
Never got into WoW unfortunately. Just kind of skipped over that into BF2, which in the later years (post 2007) has kind of been my "fallback" nostalgic game.