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2011-01-29 17:21:03
Dilbert_X
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The US embassy in Pakistan has called for "the immediate release" of an American charged with murdering two Pakistanis in the city of Lahore.
The embassy said the man had US diplomatic status and therefore was immune from prosecution.
"The diplomat acted in self-defence when confronted by two armed men on motorcycles" on 27 January, it added.

The man - identified in Pakistan as Raymond Davis - was charged with the murder of the two men on Friday. He told the court in Lahore that he had fired his gun in self-defence.
Another person was run over and killed by a vehicle carrying Mr Davis' colleagues as they came to his aid, police and witnesses have said.

Magistrates have remanded Mr Davis in custody until next week, while police investigate the shooting.

Lahore police chief Aslam Tareen told the BBC Mr Davis was employed on "security duties" in the consulate.
He did not have diplomatic immunity and was not one of the foreign security personnel allowed to carry firearms, according to the Pakistani authorities.
Mr Tareen said a Glock pistol had been recovered from Mr Davis and that pistols had also been found on the two men shot dead.

Mr Davis is said to have told police that the motorcycle rider and his pillion passenger had been trying to hijack his vehicle at gunpoint.
Police said he told officers that he had withdrawn money from a cash machine shortly before the incident.

Pakistani investigators have said the two men were probably robbers, although relatives dispute this.

More than 100 people held a protest rally in Lahore in the aftermath of Thursday's incident, setting tyres ablaze.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12316078

This should be interesting, either he's a registered diplomat and has permission to carry a firearm, or he's not.
Diplomatic immunity doesn't necessarily cover anything like this either.

Can't see it helping the war on terror, with the average Pakistani hardly pro-American.

(Something in the other posts crashed them... lrn2preview I guess)

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-01-29 17:21:32)

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2011-01-29 17:41:22
Turquoise
O Canada
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At this point, they'll probably hate us no matter what we do.
2011-01-30 08:39:07
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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I thought immunity protected diplomats from all crimes, but that the host nation can declare them 'persona non grata', and eject them.  The diplomat's home country can elect to prosecute or they can waive his immunity...but it doesn't seem to be the case here. 

I wonder how the US thought he would have diplomatic status but Pakistan didn't.  That seems really strange...

Edit: American Rambo Goes Berserk?  ...Really?

Last edited by SenorToenails (2011-01-30 08:39:43)

2011-01-30 08:40:51
UnkleRukus
That Guy
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SenorToenails wrote:

I thought immunity protected diplomats from all crimes, but that the host nation can declare them 'persona non grata', and eject them.  The diplomat's home country can elect to prosecute or they can waive his immunity...but it doesn't seem to be the case here. 

I wonder how the US thought he would have diplomatic status but Pakistan didn't.  That seems really strange...

Edit: American Rambo Goes Berserk?  ...Really?
Magistrates have remanded Mr Davis in custody until next week, while police investigate the shooting.
They're going to release him. They just aren't quite done with him yet.
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2011-01-30 08:43:19
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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UnkleRukus wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

I thought immunity protected diplomats from all crimes, but that the host nation can declare them 'persona non grata', and eject them.  The diplomat's home country can elect to prosecute or they can waive his immunity...but it doesn't seem to be the case here. 

I wonder how the US thought he would have diplomatic status but Pakistan didn't.  That seems really strange...

Edit: American Rambo Goes Berserk?  ...Really?
Magistrates have remanded Mr Davis in custody until next week, while police investigate the shooting.
They're going to release him. They just aren't quite done with him yet.
Uhhh, well, how is that statement any guarantee?  Remember--Pakistan doesn't think he has diplomatic protection, but the US does.

Also...

"The United States Embassy in Pakistan calls for the immediate release of a US diplomat unlawfully detained by authorities in Lahore," the embassy said in a statement on Saturday.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2011-01-30 08:44:19)

2011-01-30 08:47:42
11 Bravo
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rambo?
2011-01-30 08:48:58
Hurricane2k9
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Wait so some hajjis tried to carjack him, he puts them out of society's misery, and then they charge him? great country

then again shit like that happens here too

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2011-01-30 08:49:08)

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2011-01-30 08:54:45
DesertFox-
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I remember seeing it when it first happened that apparently the "American Rambo" part (though what other country would Rambo be from?) came from headlines of papers in that area.
2011-01-30 08:55:55
13rin
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We need to send in the seals and get him out.  Send a message to them....
Storm the prison fucking Lancelot style...

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2011-01-30 08:57:46)

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2011-01-30 09:04:48
mikkel
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SenorToenails wrote:

I thought immunity protected diplomats from all crimes, but that the host nation can declare them 'persona non grata', and eject them.  The diplomat's home country can elect to prosecute or they can waive his immunity...but it doesn't seem to be the case here. 

I wonder how the US thought he would have diplomatic status but Pakistan didn't.  That seems really strange...
Well, there are varying degrees of diplomatic protection. I don't think that regular consular staff are normally afforded protection from arrest or detainment, and the statements in the article suggest that the Pakistani government considers him a consular officer.

Last edited by mikkel (2011-01-30 09:07:27)

2011-01-30 09:38:08
M.O.A.B
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11 Bravo wrote:

rambo?
2011-01-30 09:42:04
presidentsheep
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Whatever happens, this guys career is now over.
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2011-01-30 09:47:40
Mekstizzle
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Wait so some hajjis tried to carjack him, he puts them out of society's misery, and then they charge him? great country

then again shit like that happens here too
If this guy wasn't American/foreign I'm pretty sure whoever did this would have walked away easily, in a country like that. Police probably wouldn't have even investigated it.

It's interesting though how the US is saying he has immunity and Pakistan saying he doesn't.

I wonder how shit would go down if it was a guy from there shooting up in the US. Everyone would call him a terrorist. So really it's no different if they see an American shooting up shit over there, and everyone calls him stupid Rambo barbarian.
2011-01-30 09:50:51
11 Bravo
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Wait so some hajjis tried to carjack him, he puts them out of society's misery, and then they charge him? great country

then again shit like that happens here too
If this guy wasn't American/foreign I'm pretty sure whoever did this would have walked away easily, in a country like that. Police probably wouldn't have even investigated it.

It's interesting though how the US is saying he has immunity and Pakistan saying he doesn't.

I wonder how shit would go down if it was a guy from there shooting up in the US. Everyone would call him a terrorist. So really it's no different if they see an American shooting up shit over there, and everyone calls him stupid Rambo barbarian.
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do you have any idea how many foreign people we have here?  fuck sakes if some slaves tried to carjack him and he shot them, we would not call him a terrorist.  stop being stupid.
2011-01-30 10:01:01
Hurricane2k9
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Wait so some hajjis tried to carjack him, he puts them out of society's misery, and then they charge him? great country

then again shit like that happens here too
If this guy wasn't American/foreign I'm pretty sure whoever did this would have walked away easily, in a country like that. Police probably wouldn't have even investigated it.

It's interesting though how the US is saying he has immunity and Pakistan saying he doesn't.

I wonder how shit would go down if it was a guy from there shooting up in the US. Everyone would call him a terrorist. So really it's no different if they see an American shooting up shit over there, and everyone calls him stupid Rambo barbarian.
Actually, some piece of shit diplomat from Georgia was drunk driving and killed a teenage girl in 1997 in DC.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/dec/20/news/mn-531

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gueorgui_Makharadze

He got out and was sent back to Georgia after only 3 years. He should have gotten life in prison without the possibility of parole.

We go so god damned easy on real criminals while we lock up drug dealers for 10 years. If I had to hate one thing about America it'd be our criminal justice system.

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2011-01-30 10:05:49
presidentsheep
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I remember reading somewhere about an american marine at an embassy who got drunk and shot someone or something similar?
He got off completely free from what I remember.
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2011-01-30 20:27:22
Dilbert_X
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SenorToenails wrote:

I thought immunity protected diplomats from all crimes, but that the host nation can declare them 'persona non grata', and eject them.  The diplomat's home country can elect to prosecute or they can waive his immunity...but it doesn't seem to be the case here. 

I wonder how the US thought he would have diplomatic status but Pakistan didn't.  That seems really strange...

Edit: American Rambo Goes Berserk?  ...Really?
"American Rambo" was the headline in a Pakistani paper.

Diplomatic rules don't necessarily protect all people from all crimes. Serious crimes aren't necessarily covered, and they have to be a registered diplomat going about their normal business. A consular employee is not necessarily covered at all.
If he's not a diplomat, was not driving around on official business, didn't have a license for his firearm, didn't have a security detail and hadn't informed the Pakistanis of his movements then its hard to see how he could be covered.

In all cases even if the guy had full immunity the embassy weighs the pros and cons and may decide to waive immunity - if for example one renegade going to prison is less of a problem than having diplomatic relations affected.

Should be fun to watch.
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2011-01-30 20:30:25
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Wait so some hajjis tried to carjack him, he puts them out of society's misery, and then they charge him? great country

then again shit like that happens here too
If this guy wasn't American/foreign I'm pretty sure whoever did this would have walked away easily, in a country like that. Police probably wouldn't have even investigated it.

It's interesting though how the US is saying he has immunity and Pakistan saying he doesn't.

I wonder how shit would go down if it was a guy from there shooting up in the US. Everyone would call him a terrorist. So really it's no different if they see an American shooting up shit over there, and everyone calls him stupid Rambo barbarian.
Actually, some piece of shit diplomat from Georgia was drunk driving and killed a teenage girl in 1997 in DC.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/dec/20/news/mn-531

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gueorgui_Makharadze

He got out and was sent back to Georgia after only 3 years. He should have gotten life in prison without the possibility of parole.

We go so god damned easy on real criminals while we lock up drug dealers for 10 years. If I had to hate one thing about America it'd be our criminal justice system.
Donte Stallworth did the same thing and he only spent 30 days in jail.

Just sayin'.
2011-01-30 20:43:35
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2011-01-30 21:19:20
unnamednewbie13
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Don't know hardly enough about this to form much of an opinion, but it hardly sounds like 'American Rambo goes Berserk.'
2011-01-30 21:31:13
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troll thread
2011-01-30 22:27:27
Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Don't know hardly enough about this to form much of an opinion, but it hardly sounds like 'American Rambo goes Berserk.'
Thats how its being reported in Pakistan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- … rk-in-City
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2011-01-30 22:35:06
-Sh1fty-
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How is he a rambo?
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2011-01-30 22:42:48
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,054|6897|Little Bentcock

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Don't know hardly enough about this to form much of an opinion, but it hardly sounds like 'American Rambo goes Berserk.'
Thats how its being reported in Pakistan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- … rk-in-City
holy shit. he was a SPY GUYS!!!!
2011-01-30 22:55:20
unnamednewbie13
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Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Don't know hardly enough about this to form much of an opinion, but it hardly sounds like 'American Rambo goes Berserk.'
Thats how its being reported in Pakistan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- … rk-in-City
Fair and balanced.

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