|_()|_ d&st quote of the year!mcminty wrote:
Anyway, let's talk about Israel for a change..
For once, you're right.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Their Aircraft. Avionics and Anti Air is all good and affordable/Maintainable which is a big consideration for a lot of countries.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Exporters of shit yeah...I don't know what kind of weapons they're exporting but if it's anything French-made it's shit.coke wrote:
Despite France being one of the top 4 military exporters in the world...
Don't know much about their Naval stuff except the The Exocett missile that got the H.M.S .Sheffield was mostly luck.
It sounds a little simple, But a good rule of thumb is - If a country can put up a good Formula One team They are going to have a Good Air force.
France has never put up a bad show in fighting, It is there Geography and political conviction that trips them up.
France historically has had MORE wins than losses in terms of war.
Also, early 20th century french firearms were a joke, mid to late 20th century they improved, a lot.
Also this quote applies here "Only a bad carpenter would blame his tools for a shoddy job."
French armor during WW2 was very heavy, had excellent protection, but the German military was just better trained and were more manuverable in their smaller and lighter tanks, they also used Infantry to support their armor which the French didn't. The French were set up to fight another Trench war, where as Germany was set up to strike from the flanks with swift attacks, hence the term Blitzkreig.
French Aircraft are fairly decent as well, mid 20th to late 20th. Their Aircraft during WW2 were outclassed by the Germans, but the French never really gave up.
So all in all we've further established proof that shifty is even more uneducated than we previously thought.
Also, saying the FAMAS is crap is such a retarded statement, the gun was ahead of it's time. One of the first mass produced assault rifles with a succesfull bullpup design.
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If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
lol I didn't know it was your call...oh wait !UnkleRukus wrote:
For once, you're right..Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Their Aircraft. Avionics and Anti Air is all good and affordable/Maintainable which is a big consideration for a lot of countries.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Exporters of shit yeah...I don't know what kind of weapons they're exporting but if it's anything French-made it's shit.
Don't know much about their Naval stuff except the The Exocett missile that got the H.M.S .Sheffield was mostly luck.
It sounds a little simple, But a good rule of thumb is - If a country can put up a good Formula One team They are going to have a Good Air force.
France has never put up a bad show in fighting, It is there Geography and political conviction that trips them up.
On a side note they also suffered from the Strategy of over dispersion, and thus being lost in hasty retreats. I am told for quite a few years. French WWII Aircraft were being found hidden in Hay stacks Barns wooded areas etc.UnkleRukus wrote:
French Aircraft are fairly decent as well, mid 20th to late 20th. Their Aircraft during WW2 were outclassed by the Germans, but the French never really gave up.
I don't feel the need to insult him and it has been my experience you can learn something from almost anyone, Examples abound.UnkleRukus wrote:
So all in all we've further established proof that shifty is even more uneducated than we previously thought.
Seems ok never even held one so I cant say. The F.F.Legion uses it but that might be a political consideration. I wouldn't want them chasing me around.UnkleRukus wrote:
Also, saying the FAMAS is crap is such a retarded statement, the gun was ahead of it's time. One of the first mass produced assault rifles with a succesfull bullpup design.
Personally let me say " I think this practice of putting carrying handles on rifles has gotten Way Out of Hand ! I think except for weight consideration The rifle peaked with the Centme. HkG3 These new cartridges bare watching but To me the .45acp and .308Win (7.62Nato) are the bench marks in performance.
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I don't know if you were around when shifty started posting (as bradt3hleader), but his posts generally have had the same amount of intelligence in them for the past couple of years. He's had his moments though, but those are overshadowed by his less redeeming moments.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
lol I didn't know it was your call...oh wait !UnkleRukus wrote:
For once, you're right..Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Their Aircraft. Avionics and Anti Air is all good and affordable/Maintainable which is a big consideration for a lot of countries.
Don't know much about their Naval stuff except the The Exocett missile that got the H.M.S .Sheffield was mostly luck.
It sounds a little simple, But a good rule of thumb is - If a country can put up a good Formula One team They are going to have a Good Air force.
France has never put up a bad show in fighting, It is there Geography and political conviction that trips them up.On a side note they also suffered from the Strategy of over dispersion, and thus being lost in hasty retreats. I am told for quite a few years. French WWII Aircraft were being found hidden in Hay stacks Barns wooded areas etc.UnkleRukus wrote:
French Aircraft are fairly decent as well, mid 20th to late 20th. Their Aircraft during WW2 were outclassed by the Germans, but the French never really gave up.I don't feel the need to insult him and it has been my experience you can learn something from almost anyone, Examples abound.UnkleRukus wrote:
So all in all we've further established proof that shifty is even more uneducated than we previously thought.Seems ok never even held one so I cant say. The F.F.Legion uses it but that might be a political consideration. I wouldn't want them chasing me around.UnkleRukus wrote:
Also, saying the FAMAS is crap is such a retarded statement, the gun was ahead of it's time. One of the first mass produced assault rifles with a succesfull bullpup design.
Personally let me say " I think this practice of putting carrying handles on rifles has gotten Way Out of Hand ! I think except for weight consideration The rifle peaked with the Centme. HkG3 These new cartridges bare watching but To me the .45acp and .308Win (7.62Nato) are the bench marks in performance.
Also, I don't hate you, I don't take things personally on the interwebz and neither should anyone else. It's just SO frustrating to try to understand how you type and what your reasonings are. Pretty sure it's one of those language barriers.
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If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
egypt is israel's most important ally in the arab world (and not a threat, yet) so the israeli government has no interest in destabilizing the country. same goes for jordan. israel has everything to lose by destabilizing the surrounding area.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for your other points, Israel has everything to gain by destabilising the surrounding area and having the US neutralise any real military threat against them. If their neighbours are sufficiently destabilised they won't be able to mount a realistic threat. The occasional jihadist suicide bomber strengthens their arguments, country-sized armies or weapons programs and its easier to let the americans do the fighting.
Look, you're delusional if you believe a nation would drive itself into the ground for private gains to select people. That simply does not, and will not, happen. Neither are the lobbyists of private companies powerful enough to get a war rolling. Everyone involved in the matter during 2003 genuinly believed Iraq had a WMD program running, probably nuclear. That's why they went in. The situation with Iran now is pretty comparable, everyone's keeping an eye on them for their nuclear ambitions.Dilbert_X wrote:
Iraq does have extensive natural resources, factions in the US govt have been salivating over the prospect of invading Iraq and/or Iran for decades now, they don't give a toss how many Americans die or how many tax dollars get spent - they'll get their kickbacks from the oil companies and military suppliers and retire in splendour behind their security gates and armed guards.
Not all Israelis are zionists Dilbert. And Israel has NOTHING to gain by destabilizing the region around them, that would mean an extreme influx of insurgencies and support for terrorist organisations (as I explained before). Those are much, much harder to deal with than national armies and governments of other countries, and they're much less inclined to use diplomacy.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for Israel, there are even more people who would gladly see America bankrupted and burnt out in military adventures if it meant Israel gets what the bible says is their due.
As for your other points, Israel has everything to gain by destabilising the surrounding area and having the US neutralise any real military threat against them. If their neighbours are sufficiently destabilised they won't be able to mount a realistic threat. The occasional jihadist suicide bomber strengthens their arguments, country-sized armies or weapons programs and its easier to let the americans do the fighting.
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inane little opines
Check ! I get it, you are near Hollyoke in western MA.. Do you know Dana Automotive ?UnkleRukus wrote:
I don't know if you were around when shifty started posting (as bradt3hleader), but his posts. ... . . .
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Destabilising Egypt is not currently in Israels interests, I was more referring to Iraq and Iran.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
egypt is israel's most important ally in the arab world (and not a threat, yet) so the israeli government has no interest in destabilizing the country. same goes for jordan. israel has everything to lose by destabilizing the surrounding area.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for your other points, Israel has everything to gain by destabilising the surrounding area and having the US neutralise any real military threat against them. If their neighbours are sufficiently destabilised they won't be able to mount a realistic threat. The occasional jihadist suicide bomber strengthens their arguments, country-sized armies or weapons programs and its easier to let the americans do the fighting.
Egypt going fundamentalist is blowback.
Fragmented terrorist organisations don't represent an existential threat, they just build a wall around themselves, scorch the earth 20 miles beyond that and they're fine - which is what they're doing.And Israel has NOTHING to gain by destabilizing the region around them, that would mean an extreme influx of insurgencies and support for terrorist organisations (as I explained before). Those are much, much harder to deal with than national armies and governments of other countries, and they're much less inclined to use diplomacy.
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Fuck Israel
Oh gee that's funny. Because I knew everything you posted below bar the good French tanks. You're such a cunt.UnkleRukus wrote:
So all in all we've further established proof that shifty is even more uneducated than we previously thought.
I never critiqued their vehicles. I claimed they export shit and went on to say I was referring to small arms but you have comprehension issues so we'll drop that case.UnkleRukus wrote:
For once, you're right.
France historically has had MORE wins than losses in terms of war.
Also, early 20th century french firearms were a joke, mid to late 20th century they improved, a lot.
Also this quote applies here "Only a bad carpenter would blame his tools for a shoddy job."
French armor during WW2 was very heavy, had excellent protection, but the German military was just better trained and were more manuverable in their smaller and lighter tanks, they also used Infantry to support their armor which the French didn't. The French were set up to fight another Trench war, where as Germany was set up to strike from the flanks with swift attacks, hence the term Blitzkreig.
French Aircraft are fairly decent as well, mid 20th to late 20th. Their Aircraft during WW2 were outclassed by the Germans, but the French never really gave up.
Also, saying the FAMAS is crap is such a retarded statement, the gun was ahead of it's time. One of the first mass produced assault rifles with a succesfull bullpup design.
The FAMAS is shit. The Steyr AUG is a much better weapon. The FAMAS is 3.61KGs of badly distributed weight. A lousy reload system also (The M16's reload system is the best in the world in my opinion. You can release the magazine with the hand holding the weapon while the second hand comes up and inserts the magazine AND hits the bolt release to chamber another round + hands are in position to fire immediately. This has nothing to do with my "AMERICA - FUCK YEAH" attitude, so don't use that against me.)
Rukus have you ever fired or held a FAMAS before?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Should cut aid to Israel and pull out all armed forces. Let them sort it out. It'll settle down after a while.
The last war where the selection of small-arm actually had any minimal strategic effect was Vietnam, where the US lost IIRC.-Sh1fty- wrote:
The FAMAS is shit. The Steyr AUG is a much better weapon. The FAMAS is 3.61KGs of badly distributed weight. A lousy reload system also (The M16's reload system is the best in the world in my opinion. You can release the magazine with the hand holding the weapon while the second hand comes up and inserts the magazine AND hits the bolt release to chamber another round + hands are in position to fire immediately. This has nothing to do with my "AMERICA - FUCK YEAH" attitude, so don't use that against me.)
Rukus have you ever fired or held a FAMAS before?
Apart from that it really doesn't matter too much, except to note NATO is slowly realising 5.56 is the wrong cartridge, another 20 years and maybe they'll change it.
Still, sometimes they get it right
Fuck Israel
Haha, awesome pictures! PPSH with an EoTech looks amazing. I'd love to try one of those.Dilbert_X wrote:
Still, sometimes they get it right
http://i.imgur.com/Qpktu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5pYDZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/puOpR.jpg
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Yes but on the whole the addition of the "carrying handle" has more to do with giving the rifle a straight line design reducing the effect of muzzle climb, which necessitated the need to elevate the sights onto the "carrying handle".Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Seems ok never even held one so I cant say. The F.F.Legion uses it but that might be a political consideration. I wouldn't want them chasing me around.UnkleRukus wrote:
Also, saying the FAMAS is crap is such a retarded statement, the gun was ahead of it's time. One of the first mass produced assault rifles with a succesfull bullpup design.
Personally let me say " I think this practice of putting carrying handles on rifles has gotten Way Out of Hand ! I think except for weight consideration The rifle peaked with the Centme. HkG3 These new cartridges bare watching but To me the .45acp and .308Win (7.62Nato) are the bench marks in performance.
The carrying handle is a massive pain in the ass. I played with an airsoft one once, the thing is constantly getting in the way. Only good thing about it is that you don't have to lean your head forward so much to use the iron sights. I've held a real one, same problem.
This version of it is pretty awesome though, wish they were all like this.
This version of it is pretty awesome though, wish they were all like this.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Like... is it intentional? ... or what... I hope it's intentional.-Sh1fty- wrote:
I played with an airsoft one once
Well, a friend had one. I told him not to get it. He had the choice between a SIG 552 and a FAMAS. The moron took the FAMAS. I decided to give it a try. I had an M16A1 at the time. All spring guns of course, we were still pretty young and could not afford the big toys we bought later.
Anyway, what kind of aid are we giving Isreal ATM? Anybody have some statistics or just mentions?
Anyway, what kind of aid are we giving Isreal ATM? Anybody have some statistics or just mentions?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
So all these comments on weapons are based on airsoft?-Sh1fty- wrote:
Well, a friend had one. I told him not to get it. He had the choice between a SIG 552 and a FAMAS. The moron took the FAMAS. I decided to give it a try. I had an M16A1 at the time. All spring guns of course, we were still pretty young and could not afford the big toys we bought later.
Anyway, what kind of aid are we giving Isreal ATM? Anybody have some statistics or just mentions?
$100 Billion and counting, thats a lot of cash. I reckon the US could have had fusion power and a space laser network for that kind of moolah.
The Second 10-Year Plan: Proposed U.S. Military Aid to Israel
2009 $2.55 billion
2010 $2.70 billion
2011 $2.85 billion
2012 $3.00 billion
2013-2018 $3.15 billion per year
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … n_aid.html
This doesn't count other aid and the favourable tax treatment people and companies get for remitting money to Israel, or the odd bit of military equipment the US 'stores' in Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne … s-1.294803Israel recently approached the United States with new requests for security-related purchases, Haaretz has learned. The requests included Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM ) bombs for the Israel Air Force.Israel also requested JDAM bombs. The JDAM bombs have been used increasingly in recent operations, including in the Second Lebanon War in 2006 and Operation Cast Lead in 2008.
Israel is also seeking to increase the amount of gear held by the American army in their emergency stores in Israel by 50% - from $800 million to $1.2 billion. The Obama administration placed the stores in Israel in December, as part of a number of steps to improve U.S. assistance to Israeli security. To date, $600 million worth of American emergency equipment has been placed in Israel.
The American stores hold rockets, bombs, aircraft ammunition and armored vehicles, along with other weapons. The gear fully matches equipment already used by the Israel Defense Forces and is cataloged upon arrival to ensure quick and easy access at a time of need, pending permission from the United States. The American move has a dual purpose: bringing military equipment closer to areas in which Americans might need to fight, and assisting the U.S. ally should the need arise.
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Fuck Israel
The ergonomic design - sighting - the same. Weight I have no idea - Muzzle blast and flash - N/APoseidon wrote:
Like... is it intentional? ... or what... I hope it's intentional.-Sh1fty- wrote:
I played with an airsoft one once
My kid has an AKs47 AirSoft it feels just like mine, Lighter, Safety is a bit easier to throw - Mag seating sux the same - Folding stock blows as much.
Most military establishments us some sort of mock up for familiarization, Still makes sense. But....
I had a Brand New Thompson M1 and anyone who touched it was bleeding because the machined surfaces were so sharp.
Tuff to replicate in airsoft plastic. I stoned it and re blued it.
I had an BB mp40 ( Wasn't Airsoft and was made of steel ) and it didn't do justice to the real thing. My real one was beat to shit and it still worked flawless. Best chainsaw I ever had.
Put 'Aid to Israel' Chart next to 'Aid to Other countries' chart for more comparison.
"The Irish" (nice sweeping statement btw, 60 000 Irishmen died in ww2 you tool) planted their first bomb in London in 1867. Part of the struggle for freedom. They didn't take a holiday during WW2. They should have, but they didn't.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Irish were planting bombs in London during WW2, and cooperating with the Germans.
Do not confuse the Irish Peoples struggle for independence with some kind of German Collusion. That was mostly in WW1. And said collusion was between R Casement (who's house still stands, 1/4mile from mine) an English appointed land lord, army officer and landed gentry.
facepalm.gifDilbert_X wrote:
So all these comments on weapons are based on airsoft?-Sh1fty- wrote:
Well, a friend had one. I told him not to get it. He had the choice between a SIG 552 and a FAMAS. The moron took the FAMAS. I decided to give it a try. I had an M16A1 at the time. All spring guns of course, we were still pretty young and could not afford the big toys we bought later.
No, I have experience with the real and airsoft versions of the weapon. I've only had the opportunity of using the airsoft version in an actual "Battle" so reloading under stress, crawling around in a forest with it, climbing things with it, etc. are all things I got to test the replica.
I still think the carrying handle version of it is a POS and the one without the handle is nothing new under the sun (Steyr, SA-80, Tavor, etc. [yes I know the tavor was made later])
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
shifty why are you pretending to have experience with a range of full-automatic military weapons?
computer games and wikipedia masturbation sessions DO NOT count
computer games and wikipedia masturbation sessions DO NOT count
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lol wat-Sh1fty- wrote:
I've only had the opportunity of using the airsoft version in an actual "Battle" so reloading under stress]
based on my experience playing paintball, i can categorically state i'm a better marine than you tyler
hoorah
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Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
the stress of being made to sit-out in the 'you're out!' bin, dummie!
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