Spearhead wrote:
He came running around the corner with a gold club. I imagine, in a situation like that, you dont have time to think about what the suspect is carrying. It could have been anything.CC-Marley wrote:
The victim made no moves towards the officers.
Sure, it sucks, he did not have to die. But the cops did nothing wrong here. There are much worse examples of cops abusing their power.
You guys are Kidding right? They broke into a persons house, shot him and you're saying that they did nothing wrong?11 Bravo wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
He came running around the corner with a gold club. I imagine, in a situation like that, you dont have time to think about what the suspect is carrying. It could have been anything.CC-Marley wrote:
The victim made no moves towards the officers.
Sure, it sucks, he did not have to die. But the cops did nothing wrong here. There are much worse examples of cops abusing their power.
It's not cops doing this it's people. They're just as bad if not worse then other criminals. Then this is going to a civil suit where the people are going to win and it's going to cost us as a people a couple hundred thousand to a million. The war on drugs is the most costly thing to a civilized people.
broke in or did they have a warrant?
They had a warrant at the station, so they broke in. Also I wonder what the warrant was for..11 Bravo wrote:
broke in or did they have a warrant?
no they had a warrant and thats not breaking in
The Salt Lake Tribune reported that the main focus of the police investigation had been Blair's roommate, who police said in the application for the warrant would destroy evidence if they weren't given authority to carry out a "no-knock" raid. But police were aware that his roommate had moved out.11 Bravo wrote:
no they had a warrant and thats not breaking in
So the warrant was for a person who didn't even reside at the residence anymore and wasn't even for the person.
It was so hastily carried out, in fact, that police forgot the warrant. According to the Tribune, in the video it obtained an officer can be heard asking: "Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?"
So they didn't have a warrant, I don't care if there was one issued but not having one on your person at the time means you don't have a warrant.
It's immoral and neglagent to dismiss this as a "uhh a drug user got killed, well he shouldn't have protected his house", this was a murder and the cops second murder in fact.
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salt lake tribune eh?
ill wait for the investigation thank you
ill wait for the investigation thank you
Honestly I'm surprised at how outraged some of you guys seem to be. I consider myself pretty liberal, I hate power abusing asshole cops as much as anyone else. Regardless of how incompetent they were (forgetting the warrant, etc) the simple fact here is that this guy came running around the corner with a golf club. I would expect the exact same to happen 90 % of the time anyone else wakes up at 4 am, hear's the cops busting down the front door and thinks "Hey, I'll grab the first thing I see and run up to them"cpt.fass1 wrote:
It's not cops doing this it's people. They're just as bad if not worse then other criminals. Then this is going to a civil suit where the people are going to win and it's going to cost us as a people a couple hundred thousand to a million. The war on drugs is the most costly thing to a civilized people.
For the record, I agree with you about the war on drugs....
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Hey came running around the corner not knowing it was the police breaking into his home. 4 Am in the morning and you hear someone breaking into your house what are you going to do? These weren't the police, there was no notification before the door was knocked in, then he was dead.Spearhead wrote:
Honestly I'm surprised at how outraged some of you guys seem to be. I consider myself pretty liberal, I hate power abusing asshole cops as much as anyone else. Regardless of how incompetent they were (forgetting the warrant, etc) the simple fact here is that this guy came running around the corner with a golf club. I would expect the exact same to happen 90 % of the time anyone else wakes up at 4 am, hears the cops busting down the front door and thinks "Hey, I'll grab the first thing I see and run up to them"cpt.fass1 wrote:
It's not cops doing this it's people. They're just as bad if not worse then other criminals. Then this is going to a civil suit where the people are going to win and it's going to cost us as a people a couple hundred thousand to a million. The war on drugs is the most costly thing to a civilized people.
For the record, I agree with you about the war on drugs....
Watch the video
The Investigation was completed and the cop was charged so it's legal for an Illegal breaking and entering and shooting as long as you're the police.
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I did.cpt.fass1 wrote:
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Watch the video
"Police!"
yeah, as they kicked the door in and shot him. He may have heard them sneaking around the house and was coming to investigate.
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erm i heard them yell police multiple times.
Yeah they did say police Search warrant(which they didn't have and wasn't for him). Sorry but it seems like they weren't in his line of sight, they broke into his house and murdered him. The way it seems is even if he didn't have the Club he would have been shot.
When I start breaking into peoples houses, I'm going to yell police Search warrant so they don't put up any kind of a fight. That cop is a Murderer, it probably took him a while to build up to his first. He's second was a little easier now I can't wait to see how long it takes him to get to his third.
When I start breaking into peoples houses, I'm going to yell police Search warrant so they don't put up any kind of a fight. That cop is a Murderer, it probably took him a while to build up to his first. He's second was a little easier now I can't wait to see how long it takes him to get to his third.
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have fun with thatcpt.fass1 wrote:
When I start breaking into peoples houses, I'm going to yell police Search warrant so they don't put up any kind of a fight.
You are acting as if they shot him in cold blood.tuckergustav wrote:
yeah, as they kicked the door in and shot him. He may have heard them sneaking around the house and was coming to investigate.
For christs sake, he came running around the corner with a golf club. Do that to any other cop and I guarantee they will shoot you. All I am saying is that the shooting itself, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, seems to be justified.
Well from what your saying is that people should roll over when I do and it should be easy. Can't wait till your house gets raided and we can all sit back and say "well he shouldn't have had guns".11 Bravo wrote:
have fun with thatcpt.fass1 wrote:
When I start breaking into peoples houses, I'm going to yell police Search warrant so they don't put up any kind of a fight.
i dont have a guncpt.fass1 wrote:
Well from what your saying is that people should roll over when I do and it should be easy. Can't wait till your house gets raided and we can all sit back and say "well he shouldn't have had guns".11 Bravo wrote:
have fun with thatcpt.fass1 wrote:
When I start breaking into peoples houses, I'm going to yell police Search warrant so they don't put up any kind of a fight.
He came running around the corner of HIS HOME with a golf club. They did murder him in cold blood, and that Police officer who's already killed someone should be brought to justice.Spearhead wrote:
You are acting as if they shot him in cold blood.tuckergustav wrote:
yeah, as they kicked the door in and shot him. He may have heard them sneaking around the house and was coming to investigate.
For christs sake, he came running around the corner with a golf club. Do that to any other cop and I guarantee they will shoot you. All I am saying is that the shooting itself, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, seems to be justified.
They Didn't even have the Search Warrent to be in the house so it was breaking and entering.
Well then for all the knives you have in your house.11 Bravo wrote:
i dont have a guncpt.fass1 wrote:
Well from what your saying is that people should roll over when I do and it should be easy. Can't wait till your house gets raided and we can all sit back and say "well he shouldn't have had guns".11 Bravo wrote:
have fun with that
will i be holding the knives ready to strike them with it?cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well then for all the knives you have in your house.11 Bravo wrote:
i dont have a guncpt.fass1 wrote:
Well from what your saying is that people should roll over when I do and it should be easy. Can't wait till your house gets raided and we can all sit back and say "well he shouldn't have had guns".
The shooting itself would be justified under most use of force laws/policies. The cop had a split-second to react to a guy with a golf club raised in a threatening manner. An angry guy with a golf club raised at you meets a "reasonable fear of death or grevious bodily injury" IMO. One good whack to the head or neck... I've done shoothouse training, and that guy meets the generic requirements to be considered a threat. Now, go by the cop's assertion that he thought it might have been a sword. That would make it a 100% clear-cut shooting, if it were so. The cop had a pretty decent case even if he was certain it was a golf club.cpt.fass1 wrote:
He came running around the corner of HIS HOME with a golf club. They did murder him in cold blood, and that Police officer who's already killed someone should be brought to justice.Spearhead wrote:
You are acting as if they shot him in cold blood.tuckergustav wrote:
yeah, as they kicked the door in and shot him. He may have heard them sneaking around the house and was coming to investigate.
For christs sake, he came running around the corner with a golf club. Do that to any other cop and I guarantee they will shoot you. All I am saying is that the shooting itself, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, seems to be justified.
They Didn't even have the Search Warrent to be in the house so it was breaking and entering.
As to the planning:
It sounds like one big CF. If there is any action taken against the PD, this is where I would look. Leaving the warrant was stupid, although it might still be legal. Poor, last minute planning should probably result in administrative action.
Will you charge at them? Ready to strike?11 Bravo wrote:
will i be holding the knives ready to strike them with it?cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well then for all the knives you have in your house.11 Bravo wrote:
i dont have a gun
Some people just hate cops...
"Police,police search warrant, police!"
*SWAT team kicks in door*
"Police! Search warrant!"
*guy with club a good 3 yards away from the point man*
BANG BANG BANG
If it was my house at 4am and I heard/saw people outside my home, I would give a shit less what they were yelling, I'd have a shotgun pointed at the door ready to shoot. But whether the victim posed a threat or not is irrelevant. They had no viable search warrant on hand or otherwise to enter this man's home. The search warrant was for a man who no longer resided in the home. This man was murdered by adrenaline junkies with a license to kill.
*SWAT team kicks in door*
"Police! Search warrant!"
*guy with club a good 3 yards away from the point man*
BANG BANG BANG
If it was my house at 4am and I heard/saw people outside my home, I would give a shit less what they were yelling, I'd have a shotgun pointed at the door ready to shoot. But whether the victim posed a threat or not is irrelevant. They had no viable search warrant on hand or otherwise to enter this man's home. The search warrant was for a man who no longer resided in the home. This man was murdered by adrenaline junkies with a license to kill.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
Probably, have you ever been surprised out of your sleep before?11 Bravo wrote:
will i be holding the knives ready to strike them with it?cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well then for all the knives you have in your house.11 Bravo wrote:
i dont have a gun
Usually you're not rational, and I'll be the first to say I've actually punched my girlfriend because of that before.
yeah, I would probably send my husband out with a baseball bat...sorry husband...ROGUEDD wrote:
If it was my house at 4am and I heard/saw people outside my home, I would give a shit less what they were yelling, I'd have a shotgun pointed at the door ready to shoot. But whether the victim posed a threat or not is irrelevant. They had no viable search warrant on hand or otherwise to enter this man's home. The search warrant was for a man who no longer resided in the home. This man was murdered by adrenaline junkies with a license to kill.
yeah...
w t fcpt.fass1 wrote:
Probably, have you ever been surprised out of your sleep before?11 Bravo wrote:
will i be holding the knives ready to strike them with it?cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well then for all the knives you have in your house.
Usually you're not rational, and I'll be the first to say I've actually punched my girlfriend because of that before.
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