Eh, if they were a cokehead that tried crack, they probably became a crack head. It would be like an opium smoker trying heroin.Turquoise wrote:
They're probably cokeheads, not crackheads.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I've met several well off people that turned out to be crack heads too. Look at LT.
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Crack is less pure than coke. It also has a social stigma that makes it less desirable for wealthy people.-CARNIFEX-[LOC] wrote:
Eh, if they were a cokehead that tried crack, they probably became a crack head. It would be like an opium smoker trying heroin.Turquoise wrote:
They're probably cokeheads, not crackheads.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I've met several well off people that turned out to be crack heads too. Look at LT.
Don't agree with decriminalizing drugs to make them less wanted, but I do think the whole "war on drugs" thing needs to be put to rest. It's quite obviously not working, so a new approach needs to be thought out.Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.11 Bravo wrote:
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwiseTurquoise wrote:
Nevertheless, when a substance is decriminalized, the value goes down, and it becomes less desirable to distribute in comparison to higher profit products.
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
Nah or maybe some, but the contractor I was talking to was a crack head. He told war stories of his wife leaving him with kid in tow... He at the time thought it was great. I asked him what did he do then? His reply was he ran naked from room to room around his newly build mansion/house jerking off and smoking crack.Turquoise wrote:
They're probably cokeheads, not crackheads.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I've met several well off people that turned out to be crack heads too. Look at LT.
Ok, different drug, different scenario, but heroin and crack give immediate, intense pleasure, typically more than their counterpart drugs on which they are based...Turquoise wrote:
Crack is less pure than coke. It also has a social stigma that makes it less desirable for wealthy people.-CARNIFEX-[LOC] wrote:
Eh, if they were a cokehead that tried crack, they probably became a crack head. It would be like an opium smoker trying heroin.Turquoise wrote:
They're probably cokeheads, not crackheads.
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Portugal seems to have a good system. They do decriminalize all drugs, but instead of incarcerating addicts, they're sent to rehab.Nic wrote:
Don't agree with decriminalizing drugs to make them less wanted, but I do think the whole "war on drugs" thing needs to be put to rest. It's quite obviously not working, so a new approach needs to be thought out.Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.11 Bravo wrote:
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwise
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
wat?Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.11 Bravo wrote:
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwiseTurquoise wrote:
Nevertheless, when a substance is decriminalized, the value goes down, and it becomes less desirable to distribute in comparison to higher profit products.
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
Saw something on 60 minutes years back about the Russians and counterfeit vodka killing people.11 Bravo wrote:
wat?Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.11 Bravo wrote:
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwise
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
I definitely don't agree with incarcerating addicts, that just fills up jails and costs to much for nothing. Something probably need to be done to the top dog dealers to actually make a dent in the amount of drugs coming into NA.Turquoise wrote:
Portugal seems to have a good system. They do decriminalize all drugs, but instead of incarcerating addicts, they're sent to rehab.Nic wrote:
Don't agree with decriminalizing drugs to make them less wanted, but I do think the whole "war on drugs" thing needs to be put to rest. It's quite obviously not working, so a new approach needs to be thought out.Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
You were using alcohol as an example of a legal drug that there is still plenty of interest in distributing. The profit margin on alcohol is generally far less than a lot of illegal substances partially due to things like duty taxes. There is still a lot of profit to be made, but it requires establishing a brand name -- something requiring a level of capital and legitimacy that a dealer won't generally have access to.11 Bravo wrote:
wat?Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.11 Bravo wrote:
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwise
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
erm...no. what i am saying is there will still be the same amount of addicts legal or illegal.Turquoise wrote:
You were using alcohol as an example of a legal drug that there is still plenty of interest in distributing. The profit margin on alcohol is generally far less than a lot of illegal substances partially due to things like duty taxes. There is still a lot of profit to be made, but it requires establishing a brand name -- something requiring a level of capital and legitimacy that a dealer won't generally have access to.11 Bravo wrote:
wat?Turquoise wrote:
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.
While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.
Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.
The only significant illegal market for alcohol involves moonshine, but it's legality is only defined by a business license and certain regulations of content.
I suppose that's possible, but that's assuming that tendencies for addiction aren't affected by differences in the economy. I think they are.11 Bravo wrote:
erm...no. what i am saying is there will still be the same amount of addicts legal or illegal.Turquoise wrote:
You were using alcohol as an example of a legal drug that there is still plenty of interest in distributing. The profit margin on alcohol is generally far less than a lot of illegal substances partially due to things like duty taxes. There is still a lot of profit to be made, but it requires establishing a brand name -- something requiring a level of capital and legitimacy that a dealer won't generally have access to.11 Bravo wrote:
wat?
The only significant illegal market for alcohol involves moonshine, but it's legality is only defined by a business license and certain regulations of content.
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very likely so, unless something like Portugals rehab system were put in place, and I would still want to see its success rate, and it would be a pretty expensive system I imagine. There would probably be a lot less violence due to things like drug wars though.11 Bravo wrote:
erm...no. what i am saying is there will still be the same amount of addicts legal or illegal.Turquoise wrote:
You were using alcohol as an example of a legal drug that there is still plenty of interest in distributing. The profit margin on alcohol is generally far less than a lot of illegal substances partially due to things like duty taxes. There is still a lot of profit to be made, but it requires establishing a brand name -- something requiring a level of capital and legitimacy that a dealer won't generally have access to.11 Bravo wrote:
wat?
The only significant illegal market for alcohol involves moonshine, but it's legality is only defined by a business license and certain regulations of content.
Well, as far as expense goes, it still has to be cheaper than having the world's highest incarceration rate.Nic wrote:
very likely so, unless something like Portugals rehab system were put in place, and I would still want to see its success rate, and it would be a pretty expensive system I imagine. There would probably be a lot less violence due to things like drug wars though.11 Bravo wrote:
erm...no. what i am saying is there will still be the same amount of addicts legal or illegal.Turquoise wrote:
You were using alcohol as an example of a legal drug that there is still plenty of interest in distributing. The profit margin on alcohol is generally far less than a lot of illegal substances partially due to things like duty taxes. There is still a lot of profit to be made, but it requires establishing a brand name -- something requiring a level of capital and legitimacy that a dealer won't generally have access to.
The only significant illegal market for alcohol involves moonshine, but it's legality is only defined by a business license and certain regulations of content.
If I was on SWAT and did what that officer did, it would haunt me for the rest of my life. I'm not a big proponent of SWAT raids anyhow. The man was in his own home hurting no one. They should have grabbed him when he left the house. I think raids should be used on high risk felons. Not on low level street urchins. Will there be exceptions? Always. But this should have been postponed until a proper entry plan was devised by the department.ROGUEDD wrote:
SWAT teams are just a bunch of adrenaline junkies with badges and assault rifles. This kind of shit has been going on a lot lately, though thankfully reserved to dogs and other animals (who were often caged and posed no threat). But now its spreading. First a drug addict with a golf club, next a little girl in the wrong place at the wrong time.
People have been saying that for ages. There will always be abother "top dog" to take their place.Nic wrote:
I definitely don't agree with incarcerating addicts, that just fills up jails and costs to much for nothing. Something probably need to be done to the top dog dealers to actually make a dent in the amount of drugs coming into NA.Turquoise wrote:
Portugal seems to have a good system. They do decriminalize all drugs, but instead of incarcerating addicts, they're sent to rehab.Nic wrote:
Don't agree with decriminalizing drugs to make them less wanted, but I do think the whole "war on drugs" thing needs to be put to rest. It's quite obviously not working, so a new approach needs to be thought out.
How many big time import operations have they actually succeeded in taking down though?jord wrote:
People have been saying that for ages. There will always be abother "top dog" to take their place.Nic wrote:
I definitely don't agree with incarcerating addicts, that just fills up jails and costs to much for nothing. Something probably need to be done to the top dog dealers to actually make a dent in the amount of drugs coming into NA.Turquoise wrote:
Portugal seems to have a good system. They do decriminalize all drugs, but instead of incarcerating addicts, they're sent to rehab.
Where there is demand there will always be a supply. The number doesn't matter. It's like using the Taliban death tally as a measure of success in Afghanistan.Nic wrote:
How many big time import operations have they actually succeeded in taking down though?jord wrote:
People have been saying that for ages. There will always be abother "top dog" to take their place.Nic wrote:
I definitely don't agree with incarcerating addicts, that just fills up jails and costs to much for nothing. Something probably need to be done to the top dog dealers to actually make a dent in the amount of drugs coming into NA.
Agreed.DBBrinson1 wrote:
The man was in his own home hurting no one. They should have grabbed him when he left the house. I think raids should be used on high risk felons. Not on low level street urchins. Will there be exceptions? Always. But this should have been postponed until a proper entry plan was devised by the department.
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now come on, without the previous knowledge of what you were about to watch, you would have never been able to say you knew he was carrying a golf club. Lets be honest and fair about that. In fact it is only by 20 20 hindsight that any of you can judge this video at all. As I see it, it was dark, the lights hits the guy holding something over his head in an offensive position and it scared the cop. He then reacted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Holy fuck that's scary.
I make no excuses for the man's behavior that led to the search, but the use of force in this scenario was way too disproportionate. That cop needs to no longer be a cop.
Even from the video I could tell it was a golf club raised above his head. Deadly weapon? Perhaps if you aren't wearing a kevlar helmet.... Ugh, that's just sickening.
You could watch a video of a Policeman repeatedly shooting a pregnant Nurse and you'd side with the Police. Just watch the video and be objective, it's not hard.lowing wrote:
now come on, without the previous knowledge of what you were about to watch, you would have never been able to say you knew he was carrying a golf club. Lets be honest and fair about that. In fact it is only by 20 20 hindsight that any of you can judge this video at all. As I see it, it was dark, the lights hits the guy holding something over his head in an offensive position and it scared the cop. He then reacted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Holy fuck that's scary.
I make no excuses for the man's behavior that led to the search, but the use of force in this scenario was way too disproportionate. That cop needs to no longer be a cop.
Even from the video I could tell it was a golf club raised above his head. Deadly weapon? Perhaps if you aren't wearing a kevlar helmet.... Ugh, that's just sickening.
Now, much like the other instance a few years ago where a guy shot and killed some criminals outside his neighbors house I loose no sleep over a dead criminal. I simply do not care. The real tragedy here is a cop who is trying to serve his community probably will be punished for his actions. I will not judge and wait for the facts to come out.
I watched it twice, and saw nothing that lead me to see a golf club specifically, and neither did any of you.jord wrote:
You could watch a video of a Policeman repeatedly shooting a pregnant Nurse and you'd side with the Police. Just watch the video and be objective, it's not hard.lowing wrote:
now come on, without the previous knowledge of what you were about to watch, you would have never been able to say you knew he was carrying a golf club. Lets be honest and fair about that. In fact it is only by 20 20 hindsight that any of you can judge this video at all. As I see it, it was dark, the lights hits the guy holding something over his head in an offensive position and it scared the cop. He then reacted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Holy fuck that's scary.
I make no excuses for the man's behavior that led to the search, but the use of force in this scenario was way too disproportionate. That cop needs to no longer be a cop.
Even from the video I could tell it was a golf club raised above his head. Deadly weapon? Perhaps if you aren't wearing a kevlar helmet.... Ugh, that's just sickening.
Now, much like the other instance a few years ago where a guy shot and killed some criminals outside his neighbors house I loose no sleep over a dead criminal. I simply do not care. The real tragedy here is a cop who is trying to serve his community probably will be punished for his actions. I will not judge and wait for the facts to come out.
There are utter cunts in every job, military and law enforcement included.
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Honestly, my friend, as much as I hate Monday morning quarterbacking -I don't think so. Even from that crappy a video I could tell what it was. In person? I'd have to go with you betcha. The Officer was amped up in fight mode. He made the wrong decision and a person died. That said, I do appreciate the work that law enforcement does to keep the general populous safe. Moreover though, I also question the actions of the guys who planned this fiasco. They didn't even have a warrant on site (not required though???). No, this loser was a nobody in his own home harming only himself. I guess one may argue that with the drugs he was doing the police merely sped up the end result. They should have apprehended this guy in another manner.lowing wrote:
now come on, without the previous knowledge of what you were about to watch, you would have never been able to say you knew he was carrying a golf club. Lets be honest and fair about that. In fact it is only by 20 20 hindsight that any of you can judge this video at all. As I see it, it was dark, the lights hits the guy holding something over his head in an offensive position and it scared the cop. He then reacted.
Now, much like the other instance a few years ago where a guy shot and killed some criminals outside his neighbors house I loose no sleep over a dead criminal. I simply do not care. The real tragedy here is a cop who is trying to serve his community probably will be punished for his actions. I will not judge and wait for the facts to come out.