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Utah police shot and killed a man within seconds of storming his parents' home, video of the raid shows. The police had a warrant to search for drugs, but found only a small amount of pot and an empty vial that had apparently contained meth.

Local media report that Todd Blair, 45, was a drug addict rather than a dealer, according to friends and family.

In the video, Blair can be seen holding a golf club above his head as police smash through his door. Within seconds, without demanding Blair drop the iron or lay down, Weber-Morgan Strike Force Sgt. Troy Burnett fires three shots into him. The local prosecutor has deemed the killing justified, but his family is planning a federal lawsuit, arguing that police had plenty of alternatives.

Blair's death raises the question of why multiple heavily-armed officers were sent to raid a drug addict -- and why Weber and Morgan counties in Utah would even need a "Narcotics Strike Force." Local police forces are able to keep property they seize in drug raids, often without the necessity of a conviction, creating a perverse incentive to reinvest in military equipment and carry out additional raids.

The Salt Lake Tribune reported that the main focus of the police investigation had been Blair's roommate, who police said in the application for the warrant would destroy evidence if they weren't given authority to carry out a "no-knock" raid. But police were aware that his roommate had moved out.

Police tried to detain Blair so that he wouldn't be in the house when it was raided, but pulled over the wrong person. Despite that mistake, and despite the knowledge that the roommate had moved out, the raid on Blair was still carried out. It was hastily planned, reported the Tribune, diverting from protocol. Burnett, who shot Blair, told investigators that it is "absolutely not our standard" to carry out such a raid with as little planning as was done, according to the Tribune.

It was so hastily carried out, in fact, that police forgot the warrant. According to the Tribune, in the video it obtained an officer can be heard asking: "Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?"

Burnett replies: "Oh, don't tell me that." He then complains to the other officers: "He doesn't have a copy of the warrant."

Minutes later, Blair would be dead. "I didn't think about saying words. I just thought about not getting hit, or slashed or whatever," Burnett told investigators, saying that he thought the golf club was "a sword or something." He also said that it did not appear to him that Blair was moving toward him, an admission that could prove crucial in a federal criminal or civil case.

The killer, Sgt. Burnett, had previously told a law-enforcement magazine that he and fellow officers were trained to shoot quickly and at close range. Burnett had previously put the training to use by shooting and killing an armed suspect in 2008.

"Maybe a month before this [2008 shooting], we did our qualification and this kind of scenario was played out in live fire training where we had to quickly draw and fire at close range," Burnett said at the time. "It wasn't quite identical, but it was close. We were simulating taking down information and then all of a sudden had to drop it and fire quickly. I absolutely believe my training played a factor in this situation. I was always confident in my close-range shooting ability, and the ammo I'm absolutely pleased with. It did its job."

The below video of Blair's death, posted by The Salt Lake Tribune, is a graphic depiction of the type of raid that has become commonplace in the United States as a result of the militarization of local police forces.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50932 … y.html.csp

Shouts break the evening silence.

“Police! Search warrant!”

Officers burst through the door. A man appears across the room. Metal glints from his clasped hands. Shots echo from a police-issue Glock 22. Todd Blair slumps to the floor.

“Five seconds,” said Blair’s mother, Arlean. “In five seconds, he was dead.”

Officers entered Blair’s home Sept. 16 during a drug raid when he stepped into the hall, wielding a golf club, police video shows. Ogden police Sgt. Troy Burnett shot Blair, 45, in the head and chest.

The shooting was deemed legally justified.

“They could have handled it a lot better,” Arlean Blair countered. “They could have tasered him. They could have done a lot of things other than shoot him.”

Investigation reports obtained by The Tribune depict an operation that took some unexpected turns away from protocol before that one explosive moment.

Grounds for search » Whether Todd Blair was a meth dealer or just a well-connected addict is a matter of dispute. Investigators from Weber and Morgan counties began watching Blair in 2009 after hearing that he was letting drug dealers live at his home in exchange for their products, according to the search warrant request. There were previous reports of meth traffic to and from the home, near 5900 South and 2600 West in Roy.

Investigators gathered evidence that it was Blair’s roommate, Melanie Chournos, buying and selling meth — a factor in the no-knock search that would precede Blair’s death.

Detectives later saw Blair leaving for short, nighttime trips, which suggested drug trades, they wrote. Two tipsters claimed that they had seen Blair — not just Chournos — handing drugs to customers.

Investigators, however, didn’t report seeing Blair make a transaction.

“He was not a dealer,” Arlean Blair insists. “I know that he used ... but he was not a drug dealer. A drug dealer has lots of money and nice things. If you looked in his house, he had nothing. He gave everything away to people who were having trouble.”

Two of Blair’s friends claimed they never saw him even use drugs, but others told police he had caved in to his meth addiction.

“He was paranoid,” Candice Coburn — Blair’s on-again, off-again girlfriend — is quoted as saying in a police interview. “His brain was fried. He would punch and yell at invisible people and me.”

Coburn has told The Tribune that she described no such delusions to police, nor did she ever witness them.

“He really was a nice person,” she said. “We had our fights, but ... he was always giving, always helpful.”

On Sept. 16, the day of Blair’s death, Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force investigator Shane Keyes received word that Blair had 2 ounces of heroin and would be getting more that night. Keyes asked 2nd District Judge Scott M. Hadley for a no-knock, nighttime search warrant because house “lookouts” were known to give warning when police were nearby. Meth dissolves quickly, Keyes added, and “if given the opportunity, Chournos will destroy the evidence.”

However, the warrant doesn’t mention that Chournos had already moved out of Blair’s home — a development officers noted in interviews after his death.

“I had been told that there was some ... domestic violence,” said Weber County sheriff’s Sgt. Nate Hutchinson, who was involved with the raid.

Blair was living alone. Because of the reports of violence, officers decided to wait until he left, pull him over in his Pontiac Grand Am and then search the empty house.

“Dynamic entry” » That night, officers saw people come and go from the home. Finally, a man matching Blair’s description got into the car with a woman and drove away.

Officers pulled them over, but instead found it was Blair’s friend, who had been staying with him. Police released the couple and returned their attention to Blair’s home.

The SWAT team prepared for a “dynamic entry” — breaking through the door and subduing anyone inside.

Normally, that involves extensive planning, officers said in investigation interviews.

“A PowerPoint presentation is typically put together (and) a briefing of everybody sitting around the round table in our office ... and all the details are laid out as far as the suspect, the location, the route in, the ... evacuation points and ... where the closest medical [facility] is,” officer Brandon Beck said in a transcribed interview with county investigators.

Instead, the team gathered at a nearby retirement home to go over the plan.

To do a dynamic entry without the in-office briefing is “absolutely not our standard,” said Burnett, the officer who shot Blair, during an interview with investigators.

On the video, minutes before the raid begins, an officer can be heard asking the group, “Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?”

“Oh, don’t tell me that,” Burnett replies. He then tells the other officers, “He doesn’t have a copy of the warrant.”

Because the warrant was for a no-knock search, the copy wasn’t necessary to enter the house, Weber County Attorney Dee Smith said.

“Someone could have easily hurried and brought it back [from the office],” he said.

There is no time limit for when a warrant should be presented to a subject, agreed Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner — “it depends on the situation” — but generally when a warrant is served, “It’s in [officers’] possession at the time.”

As the raid played out, Blair wouldn’t ask for the warrant anyway.

Officers rush in » Burnett was assigned to lead the team in. It wouldn’t be his first use of deadly force — in 2006, he shot and killed white supremacist William Glen Maw after Maw fled from a traffic stop and then turned and pointed a gun at Burnett. Then-Weber County District Attorney Mark De Caria commended him for his bravery.

Outside Blair’s house, Burnett held his .40-caliber Glock 22 “at the low ready,” with a round in the chamber. Six other officers were behind him. It was about 9:30 p.m. when they began to yell, “Police! Search warrant!”

After three strikes on the door, it burst open.

Accounts of what happened next vary by a second here and a foot there.

Those minutiae matter, Smith said.

“We actually broke [the video] down frame by frame,” he said.

The second man in, Ogden officer Jared Francom, said Burnett had gotten “about one foot in the door” when gunfire erupted.

Burnett recalled:

“The door flew open. I was first in the door. I went to the right to ... a living-room area. ... I moved to the right to dig my corners.

“[The number of] feet from the front door to where I first saw him, I don’t know ... eight feet from inside the front door, but I had went ... to the right. I don’t know how far.”

Blair appeared in the door frame holding a MacGregor Lite golf club in the stance of a right-handed batter.

“He had some silver thing. ... I thought it was a sword or something,” Burnett said. “It was silverish and thin.

“I didn’t think about saying words. I just thought about not getting hit, or slashed or whatever.”

The distance from Burnett to Blair has been estimated between “a little more than an arm’s length away,” according to Burnett, to 8 feet, as reflected by a scale diagram showing positions of the shell casings.

“There’s no way to say an exact measure,” Smith said.

Also important is whether Blair was moving toward the officers. Blair initially wasn’t in the doorway but appeared about a second later — technically an “approach,” Smith said. Then he appears to take “about two steps into the doorway with the club raised,” Smith said.

Burnett didn’t remember Blair advancing.

“I’m sure that I was moving forward,” he said. “I don’t know if he was. He was just — it seemed like he was just kind of still. ... I can’t recall him chasing after me. I don’t recall that. He was just right there.”

Francom said, “It appeared to me that he was coming toward us. But there wasn’t much time for him to make too much of an advance before.”

Ultimately, Smith said, it was Burnett who didn’t have time to wait.

“Our best conclusion is it would have taken less than half a second for Mr. Blair to close that gap and strike the officer,” he said.

Aftermath » Video after the shooting shows an officer putting handcuffs on Blair and searching for a pulse. Burnett orders a call to medics and stays in the front room, while other officers search the house.

“Everybody out,” Burnett says. “This is a different crime scene now.”

It isn’t clear from evidence logs whether investigators found the drugs they were looking for. There was paraphernalia and “a small, pink plastic bag with a white crystal substance.”

But neither the substance nor its amount is identified, and officials with the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force didn’t return The Tribune’s calls for comment.

Ogden police investigated the shooting independently and agreed it was justified.

“He had less than a second to make a decision with a guy swinging what looked like a sword in his hands,” Greiner said. “We train these officers regularly on how to defend themselves and be able to go home at night.”

He said his department also reviewed strategies for no-knock search warrants.

“We’ve discussed a couple of ways as to how we can be more careful,” he said without elaborating. “The problem is, what you’re looking for could easily be destroyed and there’s generally weapons. ... I just don’t know an easy way to get in there.”

Blair’s family has obtained a copy of the video and reports. Neither Arlean Blair nor her two daughters have viewed them.

“No way,” said Todd Blair’s sister, Delene Hyde. “How could I watch my brother’s murder?”

The family has discussed suing police but hasn’t finalized anything.

“We decided to let it rest until after Christmas,” Arlean Blair said. “Christmas is a special time in our family — him [Todd Blair] included.”

Editor’s note: The story has been updated to reflect that Candice Coburn’s remarks were quoted from police reports. Coburn has since told The Tribune that she never saw Blair “punch and yell at invisible people” and made no such statement to police.

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11 Bravo
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drug addict is dead. 

/care cup
13rin
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Holy fuck that's scary.

I make no excuses for the man's behavior that led to the search, but the use of force in this scenario was way too disproportionate.  That cop needs to no longer be a cop.

Even from the video I could tell it was a golf club raised above his head.  Deadly weapon?  Perhaps if you aren't wearing a kevlar helmet....  Ugh, that's just sickening.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
11 Bravo
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Holy fuck that's scary.

I make no excuses for the man's behavior that led to the search, but the use of force in this scenario was way too disproportionate.  That cop needs to no longer be a cop.

Even from the video I could tell it was a golf club raised above his head.  Deadly weapon?  Perhaps if you aren't wearing a kevlar helmet....  Ugh, that's just sickening.
agree.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
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agree with brinson. From the article posted, it seems the raid was not put together properly, and the leadership team should have to answer for this.
13rin
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Now the other guy this officer had shot and killed in an earlier 'incident' -good for him.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6529|Long Island, New York
Everyone involved in that raid needs to be punished. That is absolutely one of the worst uses of deadly force I've ever seen officers in the US use.
Turquoise
O Canada
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Imagine how different our society would be if, instead of pursuing drug users with this level of ferocity, we did this against corporate criminals like Madoff.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

Imagine how different our society would be if, instead of pursuing drug users with this level of ferocity, we did this against corporate criminals like Madoff.
we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
13rin
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11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Imagine how different our society would be if, instead of pursuing drug users with this level of ferocity, we did this against corporate criminals like Madoff.
we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
Ha!

I remember a few years back two addicts stealing some chemicals from a farmer decided to have a victory smoke on their car ride home and 'boom'.

*edit was here in town, ya I know that kinda shit happens ofter -just close to home.

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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
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11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Imagine how different our society would be if, instead of pursuing drug users with this level of ferocity, we did this against corporate criminals like Madoff.
we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Imagine how different our society would be if, instead of pursuing drug users with this level of ferocity, we did this against corporate criminals like Madoff.
we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
less meth addicts?  ha!
13rin
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Poseidon wrote:

Everyone involved in that raid needs to be punished. That is absolutely one of the worst uses of deadly force I've ever seen officers in the US use.
Rodney King was pretty hardcore.  Imagine some of the stuff that happened before the advent and application of video cameras.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin
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11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
less meth addicts?  ha!
Ya Turq... That's a stretch.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
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11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


we would have a bunch of meth addicts shooting people in suits
Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
less meth addicts?  ha!
Most people don't turn to drugs unless they are economically struggling.  It's a cheap high that successfully helps you escape the misery of your life.

Now, some people have addictive personalities to begin with, but drug addiction in general is usually the result of a combination of factors -- many of which are economic.
Poseidon
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Everyone involved in that raid needs to be punished. That is absolutely one of the worst uses of deadly force I've ever seen officers in the US use.
Rodney King was pretty hardcore.  Imagine some of the stuff that happened before the advent and application of video cameras.
That's why I said "one of" and not "the".

Not to mention the Rodney King incident wasn't deadly force.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
less meth addicts?  ha!
Most people don't turn to drugs unless they are economically struggling.  It's a cheap high that successfully helps you escape the misery of your life.

Now, some people have addictive personalities to begin with, but drug addiction in general is usually the result of a combination of factors -- many of which are economic.
u mad bro?  xtacy?  coke?  thats rich people fun.
Turquoise
O Canada
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Probably not.   If we were less focused on incarcerating drug users and more focused on cleaning up corporate crime, there would probably be less meth addicts to begin with, and this recent economic collapse probably wouldn't have happened.
less meth addicts?  ha!
Ya Turq... That's a stretch.
With less of an emphasis on prosecuting meth addicts and distributors, the value of meth goes down.  The riskier a substance is to distribute, the more dealers charge for it.

So, with less of a profit margin, there's less meth being dealt -- which decreases the number of meth addicts as well.
Turquoise
O Canada
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11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


less meth addicts?  ha!
Most people don't turn to drugs unless they are economically struggling.  It's a cheap high that successfully helps you escape the misery of your life.

Now, some people have addictive personalities to begin with, but drug addiction in general is usually the result of a combination of factors -- many of which are economic.
u mad bro?  xtacy?  coke?  thats rich people fun.
You said meth.  Meth is for poor white people.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Most people don't turn to drugs unless they are economically struggling.  It's a cheap high that successfully helps you escape the misery of your life.

Now, some people have addictive personalities to begin with, but drug addiction in general is usually the result of a combination of factors -- many of which are economic.
u mad bro?  xtacy?  coke?  thats rich people fun.
You said meth.  Meth is for poor white people.
fine...

insert whatever drug you want
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6397|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


u mad bro?  xtacy?  coke?  thats rich people fun.
You said meth.  Meth is for poor white people.
fine...

insert whatever drug you want
Coke is definitely for wealthier patrons, but that's a different market.

Nevertheless, when a substance is decriminalized, the value goes down, and it becomes less desirable to distribute in comparison to higher profit products.
13rin
Member
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I've met several well off people that turned out to be crack heads too.  Look at LT.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

I've met several well off people that turned out to be crack heads too.  Look at LT.
They're probably cokeheads, not crackheads.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

Nevertheless, when a substance is decriminalized, the value goes down, and it becomes less desirable to distribute in comparison to higher profit products.
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwise
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6397|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Nevertheless, when a substance is decriminalized, the value goes down, and it becomes less desirable to distribute in comparison to higher profit products.
i have a bottle of blue label that says otherwise
Yes, but dealers don't usually go for highly regulated substances like alcohol.

While there is certainly a market for illegally sold prescription drugs, there isn't really one for alcohol beyond perhaps moonshine.

Once something is completely banned, the value skyrockets.

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