Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina
Free speech has lost a few battles in the war against censorship lately. Banning songs from the airwaves after a single complaint, shutting up G20 protesters and the blocking of right-wing speakers on university campuses have all served to create a bleak impression of the state of open discourse. That's why we were pleasantly surprised by Heritage Minister James Moore's strong stand against those who this week attempted to force the cancellation of a screening of a film that warns of the dangers of Iran's nuclear program.

The film, Iranium, had been scheduled to be shown by Library and Archives Canada despite protests by the Iranian embassy. But after what a spokesperson called "significant threats" and a bomb scare at their main Ottawa location, the screening was cancelled in the interests of public safety.

This has become a common occurrence in Canada. Controversial speakers, usually on the conservative side of the spectrum, have their events cancelled due to "security concerns" -- which cynics see as a two-word cop out that attempts to package the stifling of debate as a public necessity. Ann Coulter fell victim to this last year. So, too, did author Christie Blatchford, whose lecture on the standoff at Caledonia, Ont., originally was cancelled at the University of Waterloo after protesters wrapped chains around their own necks.

Fortunately, in the case of this week's controversy, Mr. Moore stepped in and ordered Library and Archives Canada to go ahead with the Iranium screening, including the deployment of whatever security is necessary to ensure a smooth event. By standing up for free speech, our Heritage Minister has done Canadians proud.


http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/Sta … story.html

So, for the Canadians of the forum...  Does this really happen a lot?  It sounds like certain special interests try to hijack your free speech the way that some do here in America.  I'm glad that this Heritage Minister had the guts to push through the screening of this film though.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina
Oh yeah, and I just noticed Canada banned "Money for Nothing."  Fags. 

Last edited by Turquoise (2011-01-20 09:22:02)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6933|BC, Canada
Thats what they are referring too in the first paragraph you posted. And yeah it seems there has been a few instances like this lately. Not saying its everywhere, at least not that I've noticed, but maybe these are hints of where its going, and I'm glad the Heritage Minister stepped in and did this. Better to squash it early, before a movement like that damages free speech permanently.
Karbin
Member
+42|6569
Before this turns into a left vs right issue......
Canada has, at this time and for the last five years, a Conservative minority government.
The Prime Minister, Steven Harper, is a supporter of Israel.
Iran doesn't believe in dual citizenship. If you were born in Iran and moved out gained citizenship in another country, they DO NOT recognize it.
At this time, (and off the top of my head) there are two or three Canadian citizens of Iranian birth on death row in Iran.
One is a reporter being held for reporting on, and being critical off, the last election.
There have been ex-pats that have been critical of the Iranian government killed on our streets.
There is a diplomatic pissing match going on over two men that were running a slave ring and turned up dead.
Iran wants a "Full and intensive investigation" of their deaths. (like the cops aren't working on the case)

Money for Nothing:
Banned by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council. The CBSC is an independent, non-governmental organization created by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) to administer standards established by its members, Canada's private broadcasters.
When asked about is at a press conference, the P.M. stated he would not comment about it, with a voice full of humor.
Coulter I don't remember that much about, so wouldn't say anything.
Same with Blatchford
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina
Sounds like Iran needs a thorough ass-kicking.

It also sounds like the CBSC needs to be disbanded (along with that UK advertising equivalent).

Independent or governmental, guild-like institutions distort the market.

It's like how the MPAA and FCC over here are full of shit.

Last edited by Turquoise (2011-01-20 14:39:43)

krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7054|Great Brown North
that G20 shit pissed me off to no end

and yet there are still people out there who support everything the OPP did (even if it wasn't legal)


this country is doomed and it's failure will be at the hands of those who refuse to do anything for themselves
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7049|Moscow, Russia

Turquoise wrote:

Sounds like Iran needs a thorough ass-kicking.
it does. along with israel. only iran is likely to receive it though. "going around doing things that need doing" my commie butt.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7013|Toronto | Canada

Except the CBSC is non-governmental...
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5817|Toronto

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Except the CBSC is non-governmental...
I think this one went through the CRTC, did it not?
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7013|Toronto | Canada

Pochsy wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Except the CBSC is non-governmental...
I think this one went through the CRTC, did it not?
nope
The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has ruled that "Money for Nothing," a Dire Straits hit from 1985, is too offensive for Canadian airwaves.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ … a-20110114
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Except the CBSC is non-governmental...
That may be true, but it's just like that advertizing board in the U.K.

Non-governmental agencies that censor commercials or songs are equally as bad as governmental agencies that do when they hold the same level of power.

It's very difficult to be an effective advertizer in the U.K. without heeding the influence of the ASA, and similarly, it's very difficult to run a radio station in Canada without having to heed the influence of the CBSC.

So, you can call it governmental or non-governmental, but it's all the same in overall effect.

We have the FCC, you have the CBSC, the U.K. has the ASA, and Australia has the ACMA.

These are agencies that oppress the rights of advertizers, media organizations, and game developers.
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5973
turq are you for censorship?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5632|London, England

13/f/taiwan wrote:

turq are you for censorship?
He will say no, but deep down inside his fascist heart the answer is yes.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina

13/f/taiwan wrote:

turq are you for censorship?
lol...  um...  No...  I'm completely against censorship as my post above illustrates.

I can only think of one kind of censorship I support -- censoring information that threatens people's lives -- as in some of the things that Assange leaked.

Beyond that, I favor free speech.
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5973
so you think it's cool to show films of 12 year old girls and middle aged men having sex?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

turq are you for censorship?
He will say no, but deep down inside his fascist heart the answer is yes.
I'm assuming you're being very sarcastic here....
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5632|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

turq are you for censorship?
He will say no, but deep down inside his fascist heart the answer is yes.
I'm assuming you're being very sarcastic here....
Mr. I Want A Homogeneous Society Above All Else?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina

13/f/taiwan wrote:

so you think it's cool to show films of 12 year old girls and middle aged men having sex?
What, child porn?  If you're suggesting that should be censored, then I guess I can agree with that too, but the agencies I mentioned have censored a lot more than that.

So, ok...  child porn and information that can result in death.  That's all I support the censorship of.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6679|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


He will say no, but deep down inside his fascist heart the answer is yes.
I'm assuming you're being very sarcastic here....
Mr. I Want A Homogeneous Society Above All Else?
You're on your agitation kick now, eh?  It's getting rather old.

I tried to make a thread about discussing the oppressiveness of censorship boards, and you're trying to make this about me.

Do you have anything to add to the thread's topic?
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5973
turq you can't make up your mind. when you post i can tell your uncertain, nervous and have no idea what you are talking about. plus you're a socialist on monday, communist on tuesday, anarchist on wednesday, fascist on thursday and back to being a good old capitalist on friday. i'm sorry to say but that's the reality of it. you're probably a good guy to be friends with but when it comes to discussions like this that's a whole different ball game.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5632|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I'm assuming you're being very sarcastic here....
Mr. I Want A Homogeneous Society Above All Else?
You're on your agitation kick now, eh?  It's getting rather old.

I tried to make a thread about discussing the oppressiveness of censorship boards, and you're trying to make this about me.

Do you have anything to add to the thread's topic?
I just want some cohesion here. You can't say in one thread that you wish America were more homogeneous and then in the next decry the tools that would make it so.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5860

Child porn isn't banned because it's obscene it's banned because it's production violates child sex laws...
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5632|London, England

Macbeth wrote:

Child porn isn't banned because it's obscene it's banned because it's production violates child sex laws...
This is true.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5973
nope. even if i were to make the video in a country where it's legal i wouldn't be able to market and distribute these types of films.
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5860

13/f/taiwan wrote:

nope. even if i were to make the video in a country where it's legal i wouldn't be able to market and distribute these types of films.
You wouldn't be able to market and distribute them because doing so create an incentive to produce more child porn and commit more child abuse.

Really child porn isn't banned because people find it obscene and nasty it's banned because the government doesn't want there to be an active open market to make people want to make it. That was the logic for it. It's not banned because it's "different" or "offensive" or something.

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