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lowing wrote:

As I said, I am convinced that if left alone Israel prefers peace.
Depends what you mean by 'Israel', do you include the illegal settlements in the West Bank?

If they wanted peace do you suppose they would be building and defending illegal settlements outside their borders or do you conclude they want to take someone elses land at the expense of not having peace?

Problem is they keep taking hornets nests and planting them in other peoples countries.
If your neighbour kept throwing hornets nests over your fence at you and your kids would you conclude he was a friendly guy who should just be left alone to do his thing, or would you conclude he was an asshat who was trying to drive you out of your home?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

As I said, I am convinced that if left alone Israel prefers peace.
Depends what you mean by 'Israel', do you include the illegal settlements in the West Bank?

If they wanted peace do you suppose they would be building and defending illegal settlements outside their borders or do you conclude they want to take someone elses land at the expense of not having peace?

Problem is they keep taking hornets nests and planting them in other peoples countries.
If your neighbour kept throwing hornets nests over your fence at you and your kids would you conclude he was a friendly guy who should just be left alone to do his thing, or would you conclude he was an asshat who was trying to drive you out of your home?
They are occupying land previously used to launch attacks against them. They have tried to withdrawal only to have attacks against them used form the places they left.
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Ah OK, the Palestinians are angry that they've had their land stolen, the solution is to steal more of their land?
Eventually they'll be pushed into Jordan, then the solution will be to build outposts in Jordan?

If you think the settlements have anything to do with preventing attacks you're severely deluded -  Rush, Hannity and Beck have achieved their objective in that regard.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Ah OK, the Palestinians are angry that they've had their land stolen, the solution is to steal more of their land?
Eventually they'll be pushed into Jordan, then the solution will be to build outposts in Jordan?

If you think the settlements have anything to do with preventing attacks you're severely deluded -  Rush, Hannity and Beck have achieved their objective in that regard.
I am still waiting for you to educate me as to what country the Jews "invaded".


no actually factual history has achieved its goal. The surrounding Arab and Islamic nations massed against Israel and promptly got their asses kicked.
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You won't be happy till all of Palestine is occupied by Jewish settlements?
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lowing wrote:

I am still waiting for you to educate me as to what country the Jews "invaded".
Palestine - As has been explained to you before.

Does something have to be spouted by a Murdoch lackey before you'll believe it?

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AussieReaper wrote:

You won't be happy till all of Palestine is occupied by Jewish settlements?
actually to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck about either of them. I can also say that if the rolls were reversed, I would support the Palestinians. I have no loyalties except to my perceptions of right and wrong.

and I view Israel as the victims fighting back against known and historical aggressors

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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

You won't be happy till all of Palestine is occupied by Jewish settlements?
actually to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck about either of them. I can also say that if the rolls were reversed, I would support the Palestinians. I have no loyalties except to my perceptions of right and wrong.
Well your perceptions are wrong. Take a look at a map of Palestinian territory descreasing over the last half century and it shouldn't be hard to conclude right and wrong.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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lowing wrote:

and I view Israel as the victims fighting back against known and historical aggressors
'Historical aggressors' would be the Romans.....
I have no loyalties except to my perceptions of right and wrong.
How is invading a country and expelling the inhabitants by force on the basis of race and religion in any way right?

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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

You won't be happy till all of Palestine is occupied by Jewish settlements?
actually to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck about either of them. I can also say that if the rolls were reversed, I would support the Palestinians. I have no loyalties except to my perceptions of right and wrong.
Well your perceptions are wrong. Take a look at a map of Palestinian territory descreasing over the last half century and it shouldn't be hard to conclude right and wrong.
take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
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lowing wrote:

take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
Same argument applies to Nazi Germany in 1939.
Or maybe we should have sat back and let them invade Europe because the Romans were mean to the Huns 2,000 years ago?

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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
Same argument applies to Nazi Germany in 1939.
Only if you are placing the Nazi's in the roll of the Arab and Islamic nations except the Nazi's actually won their fights.

(news flash, we did set back and let them invade Europe.)

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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:


actually to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck about either of them. I can also say that if the rolls were reversed, I would support the Palestinians. I have no loyalties except to my perceptions of right and wrong.
Well your perceptions are wrong. Take a look at a map of Palestinian territory descreasing over the last half century and it shouldn't be hard to conclude right and wrong.
take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
What Palestinian threat is there?  Misguided rockets?

Israel is backed by the US army, US arms manufacturers, US weapons technology. US Taxpayer.

It's one sided and Israel is still playing the victim card while taking more territory, killing Palestinian civilians in yet another "war on Gaza" and building walls creating virtual concentration camps.

The Palestinians can't even flee because the borders are cut off.

Poor Israel?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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Not really, the Nazis were the aggressors looking to steal land by force and impose their loony theories of racial supremacy.
Just as the Israelis are doing now.

The Zionists fired the first shots in the ME, as did the Germans in Europe.

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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Well your perceptions are wrong. Take a look at a map of Palestinian territory descreasing over the last half century and it shouldn't be hard to conclude right and wrong.
take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
What Palestinian threat is there?  Misguided rockets?

Israel is backed by the US army, US arms manufacturers, US weapons technology. US Taxpayer.

It's one sided and Israel is still playing the victim card while taking more territory, killing Palestinian civilians in yet another "war on Gaza" and building walls creating virtual concentration camps.

The Palestinians can't even flee because the borders are cut off.

Poor Israel?
When in war, eventually everything becomes lop-sided to a winner. Israel has offered olive branches, only to have them shot out of their hands.

and please, don't try and down play the rocket attacks on Israel.... They are still rocket attacks
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lowing wrote:

Israel has offered olive branches, only to have them shot out of their hands.
For example?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Not really, the Nazis were the aggressors looking to steal land by force and impose their loony theories of racial supremacy.
Just as the Israelis are doing now.
It was the Arabs and Islamic nations that showed aggression toward Israel. by the way, when are you going to show me what country Israel "invaded" to become a nation of its own? Or is this gunna be like your "ALL MUSLIMS" bullshit, where you just say what you want without backing up anything with fact?
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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:


take a look at the wars and massing armies set out against Israel from the day 1.
What Palestinian threat is there?  Misguided rockets?

Israel is backed by the US army, US arms manufacturers, US weapons technology. US Taxpayer.

It's one sided and Israel is still playing the victim card while taking more territory, killing Palestinian civilians in yet another "war on Gaza" and building walls creating virtual concentration camps.

The Palestinians can't even flee because the borders are cut off.

Poor Israel?
When in war, eventually everything becomes lop-sided to a winner. Israel has offered olive branches, only to have them shot out of their hands.

and please, don't try and down play the rocket attacks on Israel.... They are still rocket attacks
You can't concede that Palestinians are suffering, losing homes, facing an unstopable military threat and you know very well Zionists believe all of Palestine is "rightfully" theirs.

You put all of those arguments aside because of crude, non guided rockets picked up by militants who are defending their homes from demolition is your justification?

You're totally brainwashed if you can't even consider the other point of view and see where the civilian casualties are mounting.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

What Palestinian threat is there?  Misguided rockets?

Israel is backed by the US army, US arms manufacturers, US weapons technology. US Taxpayer.

It's one sided and Israel is still playing the victim card while taking more territory, killing Palestinian civilians in yet another "war on Gaza" and building walls creating virtual concentration camps.

The Palestinians can't even flee because the borders are cut off.

Poor Israel?
When in war, eventually everything becomes lop-sided to a winner. Israel has offered olive branches, only to have them shot out of their hands.

and please, don't try and down play the rocket attacks on Israel.... They are still rocket attacks
You can't concede that Palestinians are suffering, losing homes, facing an unstopable military threat and you know very well Zionists believe all of Palestine is "rightfully" theirs.

You put all of those arguments aside because of crude, non guided rockets picked up by militants who are defending their homes from demolition is your justification?

You're totally brainwashed if you can't even consider the other point of view and see where the civilian casualties are mounting.
sure I can, what I can't see is the difference between that and any other war.........except the side you support didn't win.

http://markhumphrys.com/gaza.html

I suppose I am just as brainwashed as you are for not seeing the Israeli point of view.

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Good thing you've got those blogs to back you up and keep you informed mate.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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AussieReaper wrote:

Good thing you've got those blogs to back you up and keep you informed mate.
the information is sourced mate.........Discredit the information, not the website for once.
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Israel and Palestine are both as bad as each other tbh.
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Because that information is sooooooo objectively presented too.
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lowing wrote:

It was the Arabs and Islamic nations that showed aggression toward Israel. by the way, when are you going to show me what country Israel "invaded" to become a nation of its own? Or is this gunna be like your "ALL MUSLIMS" bullshit, where you just say what you want without backing up anything with fact?
The Zionists invaded Palestine, just as the Nazis invaded Poland and Czechoslvakia - or are you going to say the British 'showed aggression' to Nazi Germany by responding to that and seeking to give the Poles and Czechs their countries back?
the information is sourced mate.........Discredit the information, not the website for once
Show us the sources, not some neo-nazi blog then.

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Compare what those rockets did in comparrison to what the Israeli bombs, tanks, shells, helicopters and aircraft did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Gaza_War

A few school were closed in Israel.
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