It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
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Well that is what used to make the US great. We were left alone to build and to give as we saw fit. Now our govt. thinks they know what is best for us and our money. If the govt. would leave us alone, we would not still be in this recession. Hell if the govt. left us alone, we probably would have never entered one in the first place.Kmar wrote:
It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
It doesn't have to be that way... Provide a few basic amenities like education, and beyond that, let nature take its course.Kmar wrote:
Look at what we have seen so far with attempts of world governance. They practically only exist to serve the needy.lowing wrote:
we do keep a social safety net in place.Turquoise wrote:
You're assuming we keep a social safety net in place.
When labor is no longer bound by borders and visas, competition is completely open, and Social Darwinism is more functional.
If the entire world was run this way, there would be much more efficiency.
No actually, lost a small amount of drugs. Kept wallet, phone, £40 zippo, ipod. Oh, and I wasn't shot/stabbed.lowing wrote:
you mean after all of your bullshit about never needing to defend yourself, you are gunna tell us you were mugged? Let me guess, you lost everything you were carrying, but at least the criminals life was spared.. Be right back, I am gunna go throw up.presidentsheep wrote:
I got robbed/mugged in Norwich... Fucking NorwichKmar wrote:
Yea.. truth be told it can happen anywhere. I was held up in hyde park .. which is full of million dollar homes.
edit: woulda bluffed my way out of it if my stupid fucking friend hadn't been so naive to.
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I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Uhhh John? were you gunna answer this or no?lowing wrote:
Ok John let me ask you......you are a business owner, you spent your life building this business and its reputation say a dept. store. You get 50 applications a day asking for a job. Of those 50 40 are qualified for the job. Of those 40 4 are convicted felons, 1 for shoplifting, 1 for armed robbery, and 1 for rape and 1 for drug crimes. Are you going to tell me you would consider any of them to work in your store interact with your customers, handle your merchandise, or manage your accounts?JohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but with the way you wish for criminals to be punished for the rest of their life, you might as well lop off their head as soon as they are convicted. Your type of thinking is what causes recidivism, not some innate evil within the person.lowing wrote:
No John, only the criminals that threaten my life for what is in my fuckin pocket. I do not loathe Muslims, I loathe Islam get it right.
Truth is, the law does not punish for life, it is the fact that we in society still maintain a right to associate with who the want, and most of us do not want to associate with convicted felons, let alone trust them with our lives or livelihood.
by the way John, if you tell me you would hire any of those felons, this is where I would call you a liar.
oh I see, so you were mugged for the drugs in your pockets and took nothing else? Hmmm I can not count all of the ways I call bullshit on that story.presidentsheep wrote:
No actually, lost a small amount of drugs. Kept wallet, phone, £40 zippo, ipod. Oh, and I wasn't shot/stabbed.lowing wrote:
you mean after all of your bullshit about never needing to defend yourself, you are gunna tell us you were mugged? Let me guess, you lost everything you were carrying, but at least the criminals life was spared.. Be right back, I am gunna go throw up.presidentsheep wrote:
I got robbed/mugged in Norwich... Fucking Norwich
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What about it? If they served their time in prison it wouldn't be a big issue for me. Just like any other candidate it would depend on the interview.lowing wrote:
Uhhh John? were you gunna answer this or no?lowing wrote:
Ok John let me ask you......you are a business owner, you spent your life building this business and its reputation say a dept. store. You get 50 applications a day asking for a job. Of those 50 40 are qualified for the job. Of those 40 4 are convicted felons, 1 for shoplifting, 1 for armed robbery, and 1 for rape and 1 for drug crimes. Are you going to tell me you would consider any of them to work in your store interact with your customers, handle your merchandise, or manage your accounts?JohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but with the way you wish for criminals to be punished for the rest of their life, you might as well lop off their head as soon as they are convicted. Your type of thinking is what causes recidivism, not some innate evil within the person.
Truth is, the law does not punish for life, it is the fact that we in society still maintain a right to associate with who the want, and most of us do not want to associate with convicted felons, let alone trust them with our lives or livelihood.
by the way John, if you tell me you would hire any of those felons, this is where I would call you a liar.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Really, because it happened. I'll type out the whole incident f you want. The guys were only after the weed because they knew we couldn't go to the police if that's all they took.lowing wrote:
oh I see, so you were mugged for the drugs in your pockets and took nothing else? Hmmm I can not count all of the ways I call bullshit on that story.presidentsheep wrote:
No actually, lost a small amount of drugs. Kept wallet, phone, £40 zippo, ipod. Oh, and I wasn't shot/stabbed.lowing wrote:
you mean after all of your bullshit about never needing to defend yourself, you are gunna tell us you were mugged? Let me guess, you lost everything you were carrying, but at least the criminals life was spared.. Be right back, I am gunna go throw up.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Most of the housing crisis can certainly be attributed to the programs the government created. Those programs set the standard. Homes were being sold before there was even a sign in the front yard.. This was because loans were so easily acquired. Deals were being made on first showings, on the hoods of cars. That is not normal. Collapse was inevitable.lowing wrote:
Well that is what used to make the US great. We were left alone to build and to give as we saw fit. Now our govt. thinks they know what is best for us and our money. If the govt. would leave us alone, we would not still be in this recession. Hell if the govt. left us alone, we probably would have never entered one in the first place.Kmar wrote:
It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
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Well, that and the bailouts. After falling due to debts, they should have let all the banks crash.Kmar wrote:
Most of the housing crisis can certainly be attributed to the programs the government created. Those programs set the standard. Homes were being sold before there was even a sign in the front yard.. This was because loans were so easily acquired. Deals were being made on first showings, on the hoods of cars. That is not normal. Collapse was inevitable.lowing wrote:
Well that is what used to make the US great. We were left alone to build and to give as we saw fit. Now our govt. thinks they know what is best for us and our money. If the govt. would leave us alone, we would not still be in this recession. Hell if the govt. left us alone, we probably would have never entered one in the first place.Kmar wrote:
It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
We live in a corporatism, not a capitalism.
Of give me a fuckin break with that bullshit. You mean you would hire a convicted rapist to deal with your customers? You would hire a convicted shoplifter to stock your shelves? You would hire a convicted drug dealer to manage your money? and you would hire an armed robber as your night security? You are lying to save your argument.JohnG@lt wrote:
What about it? If they served their time in prison it wouldn't be a big issue for me. Just like any other candidate it would depend on the interview.lowing wrote:
Uhhh John? were you gunna answer this or no?lowing wrote:
Ok John let me ask you......you are a business owner, you spent your life building this business and its reputation say a dept. store. You get 50 applications a day asking for a job. Of those 50 40 are qualified for the job. Of those 40 4 are convicted felons, 1 for shoplifting, 1 for armed robbery, and 1 for rape and 1 for drug crimes. Are you going to tell me you would consider any of them to work in your store interact with your customers, handle your merchandise, or manage your accounts?
Truth is, the law does not punish for life, it is the fact that we in society still maintain a right to associate with who the want, and most of us do not want to associate with convicted felons, let alone trust them with our lives or livelihood.
by the way John, if you tell me you would hire any of those felons, this is where I would call you a liar.
As I said, the law does not punish forever. Citizens have a choice, and they choose to not associate with felons.
Kinda curious as to how they knew you had drugs in the first place. Also never heard of a mugger with balls enough to rob someone face to face and not take whatever money they could find....presidentsheep wrote:
Really, because it happened. I'll type out the whole incident f you want. The guys were only after the weed because they knew we couldn't go to the police if that's all they took.lowing wrote:
oh I see, so you were mugged for the drugs in your pockets and took nothing else? Hmmm I can not count all of the ways I call bullshit on that story.presidentsheep wrote:
No actually, lost a small amount of drugs. Kept wallet, phone, £40 zippo, ipod. Oh, and I wasn't shot/stabbed.
That is exactly what I was referring to.Kmar wrote:
Most of the housing crisis can certainly be attributed to the programs the government created. Those programs set the standard. Homes were being sold before there was even a sign in the front yard.. This was because loans were so easily acquired. Deals were being made on first showings, on the hoods of cars. That is not normal. Collapse was inevitable.lowing wrote:
Well that is what used to make the US great. We were left alone to build and to give as we saw fit. Now our govt. thinks they know what is best for us and our money. If the govt. would leave us alone, we would not still be in this recession. Hell if the govt. left us alone, we probably would have never entered one in the first place.Kmar wrote:
It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
Plus greed across the board. And need to buy now mentality. Certain new development communities I was looking into, some had the nerve to require bidding. Another released lots in small quantities, so that on each new phase, they would jack up the prices more. $15K more next week? WTF?Kmar wrote:
Most of the housing crisis can certainly be attributed to the programs the government created. Those programs set the standard. Homes were being sold before there was even a sign in the front yard.. This was because loans were so easily acquired. Deals were being made on first showings, on the hoods of cars. That is not normal. Collapse was inevitable.lowing wrote:
Well that is what used to make the US great. We were left alone to build and to give as we saw fit. Now our govt. thinks they know what is best for us and our money. If the govt. would leave us alone, we would not still be in this recession. Hell if the govt. left us alone, we probably would have never entered one in the first place.Kmar wrote:
It's true. I spent some time reviewing different UN programs for a paper once. And yea, once you get past the corruption, they are primarily there to serve the needy.
Well, we were sitting on a hill in an area which is pretty well known for people smoking there, we had a pack of king skins that had been roached to shit on the floor and when the first guy came up we quickly stuffed it in a mates bag and denied all knowledge, about 2 minutes later there were 8 of them all surrounding us, talking about stabbing people and asking if they could just "hold it to see if it was any good". One of my other friends then said we should leave and when we all got up one of the guys there said that we wouldn't let him hold it because "he was black" (the guy was white btw). At which point my naive stupid fucking know it all bitch of a "friend" said she used to live in London and knew loads of black people and that we could trust them to hold our weed, until then the guys hadn't been sure we had any. She then got it out of my other friends handbag and handed it to the guy who then called her a dumb bitch and walked off.lowing wrote:
Kinda curious as to how they knew you had drugs in the first place. Also never heard of a mugger with balls enough to rob someone face to face and not take whatever money they could find....presidentsheep wrote:
Really, because it happened. I'll type out the whole incident f you want. The guys were only after the weed because they knew we couldn't go to the police if that's all they took.lowing wrote:
oh I see, so you were mugged for the drugs in your pockets and took nothing else? Hmmm I can not count all of the ways I call bullshit on that story.
That was a situation that could have been resolved with words and walking away instead of shooting anyone or acting like a twat.
there's a bit more detail to it than that but those are the overall facts.
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I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
I know it's an amazing concept but not everyone shares your irrational fears and hatreds. I would have the rapist deal with my money, the drug dealer deal with customers, the armed robber stock the shelves and the shoplifter work night security.lowing wrote:
Of give me a fuckin break with that bullshit. You mean you would hire a convicted rapist to deal with your customers? You would hire a convicted shoplifter to stock your shelves? You would hire a convicted drug dealer to manage your money? and you would hire an armed robber as your night security? You are lying to save your argument.JohnG@lt wrote:
What about it? If they served their time in prison it wouldn't be a big issue for me. Just like any other candidate it would depend on the interview.lowing wrote:
Uhhh John? were you gunna answer this or no?
As I said, the law does not punish forever. Citizens have a choice, and they choose to not associate with felons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Thats not a mugging, that is a con. You'd do better to stay away from drugs anyway. It stunts your growthpresidentsheep wrote:
Well, we were sitting on a hill in an area which is pretty well known for people smoking there, we had a pack of king skins that had been roached to shit on the floor and when the first guy came up we quickly stuffed it in a mates bag and denied all knowledge, about 2 minutes later there were 8 of them all surrounding us, talking about stabbing people and asking if they could just "hold it to see if it was any good". One of my other friends then said we should leave and when we all got up one of the guys there said that we wouldn't let him hold it because "he was black" (the guy was white btw). At which point my naive stupid fucking know it all bitch of a "friend" said she used to live in London and knew loads of black people and that we could trust them to hold our weed, until then the guys hadn't been sure we had any. She then got it out of my other friends handbag and handed it to the guy who then called her a dumb bitch and walked off.lowing wrote:
Kinda curious as to how they knew you had drugs in the first place. Also never heard of a mugger with balls enough to rob someone face to face and not take whatever money they could find....presidentsheep wrote:
Really, because it happened. I'll type out the whole incident f you want. The guys were only after the weed because they knew we couldn't go to the police if that's all they took.
That was a situation that could have been resolved with words and walking away instead of shooting anyone or acting like a twat.
there's a bit more detail to it than that but those are the overall facts.
no you wouldn't and you damn well know it.JohnG@lt wrote:
I know it's an amazing concept but not everyone shares your irrational fears and hatreds. I would have the rapist deal with my money, the drug dealer deal with customers, the armed robber stock the shelves and the shoplifter work night security.lowing wrote:
Of give me a fuckin break with that bullshit. You mean you would hire a convicted rapist to deal with your customers? You would hire a convicted shoplifter to stock your shelves? You would hire a convicted drug dealer to manage your money? and you would hire an armed robber as your night security? You are lying to save your argument.JohnG@lt wrote:
What about it? If they served their time in prison it wouldn't be a big issue for me. Just like any other candidate it would depend on the interview.
As I said, the law does not punish forever. Citizens have a choice, and they choose to not associate with felons.
Why wouldn't I? They'd work cheap because assholes like you would slam the door in their face.lowing wrote:
no you wouldn't and you damn well know it.JohnG@lt wrote:
I know it's an amazing concept but not everyone shares your irrational fears and hatreds. I would have the rapist deal with my money, the drug dealer deal with customers, the armed robber stock the shelves and the shoplifter work night security.lowing wrote:
Of give me a fuckin break with that bullshit. You mean you would hire a convicted rapist to deal with your customers? You would hire a convicted shoplifter to stock your shelves? You would hire a convicted drug dealer to manage your money? and you would hire an armed robber as your night security? You are lying to save your argument.
As I said, the law does not punish forever. Citizens have a choice, and they choose to not associate with felons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Lowing wouldn't let Mike Vick back into the NFL either I'm guessing.
You mean assholes like us....because you would not hire convicted felons as I described.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why wouldn't I? They'd work cheap because assholes like you would slam the door in their face.lowing wrote:
no you wouldn't and you damn well know it.JohnG@lt wrote:
I know it's an amazing concept but not everyone shares your irrational fears and hatreds. I would have the rapist deal with my money, the drug dealer deal with customers, the armed robber stock the shelves and the shoplifter work night security.
Crap, I'll never get taller than 6ftlowing wrote:
Thats not a mugging, that is a con. You'd do better to stay away from drugs anyway. It stunts your growthpresidentsheep wrote:
Well, we were sitting on a hill in an area which is pretty well known for people smoking there, we had a pack of king skins that had been roached to shit on the floor and when the first guy came up we quickly stuffed it in a mates bag and denied all knowledge, about 2 minutes later there were 8 of them all surrounding us, talking about stabbing people and asking if they could just "hold it to see if it was any good". One of my other friends then said we should leave and when we all got up one of the guys there said that we wouldn't let him hold it because "he was black" (the guy was white btw). At which point my naive stupid fucking know it all bitch of a "friend" said she used to live in London and knew loads of black people and that we could trust them to hold our weed, until then the guys hadn't been sure we had any. She then got it out of my other friends handbag and handed it to the guy who then called her a dumb bitch and walked off.lowing wrote:
Kinda curious as to how they knew you had drugs in the first place. Also never heard of a mugger with balls enough to rob someone face to face and not take whatever money they could find....
That was a situation that could have been resolved with words and walking away instead of shooting anyone or acting like a twat.
there's a bit more detail to it than that but those are the overall facts.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Would you of?Poseidon wrote:
Lowing wouldn't let Mike Vick back into the NFL either I'm guessing.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
no I wouldn't have, nor any professional athlete that was convicted of rape, drug abuse or assault.Poseidon wrote:
Lowing wouldn't let Mike Vick back into the NFL either I'm guessing.
They are supposed to be roll models for those that look up to them as heroes...Don't ask me why.
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Well let's see, he served a time that was actually considered harsh considering the typical length of sentence people who commit a crime of that nature get, he has seemingly stayed out of trouble, he consistently attempts to improve his public image, he's joined many animal rights groups in an attempt to make amends... absolutely I would've let him back and the NFL made the right decision.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Would you of?Poseidon wrote:
Lowing wouldn't let Mike Vick back into the NFL either I'm guessing.
The NFL is work, one way or another.