Arizona Congresswoman Shot

2011-01-08 16:47:17

#101

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6660|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
yes this is what our founders had in mind with the 2nd ammendment
I'll put it this way... Jared has made it much easier for the next round of gun registries to be constructed.

Still, the fact remains that he had an automatic weapon. That's illegal by our current laws, so he had to have gotten the weapon on the black market (unless he has an arms dealing license).
Or he had a class 4 license

If his weapon was semi-auto, I could see that, but I didn't realize a class 4 license allows for fully automatic weapons....

I looked up the FFL, but it looks like it only goes up to class 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

Last edited by Turquoise (2011-01-08 16:49:23)

2011-01-08 16:50:37

#102

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

I thought class 3 was fully automatic weapons.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-01-08 16:51:43

#103

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6660|North Carolina

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I thought class 3 was fully automatic weapons.

Maybe it is... State laws also affect some licenses. I'm not sure what effect they have on FFLs though.

2011-01-08 16:56:52

#104

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws … (by_state)

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-01-08 16:58:04)

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2011-01-08 17:02:23

#105

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6904

In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.

2011-01-08 17:03:43

#106

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6752

ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.

or the ability to make a rational, informed, self-determined decision.

2011-01-08 17:03:52

#107

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.

Why not? You can get an M-4 for about $450.

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2011-01-08 17:10:52

#108

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6660|North Carolina

burnzz wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.
or the ability to make a rational, informed, self-determined decision.

That too... One thing is for sure though... If this gun was purchased illegally and still has any traceable information on it, the supplier now probably has several FBI/ATF pursuers.

The most ironic possibility would involve the gun coming from a Mexican cartel.

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2011-01-08 17:11:57

#109

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6904

JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.
Why not? You can get an M-4 for about $450.

What? I thought everyone on here keeps going on about how automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars?

EDIT: I'm just not sure whether I've completely misunderstood everyone all this time, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

Last edited by ghettoperson (2011-01-08 17:13:22)

2011-01-08 17:13:00

#110

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6660|North Carolina

ghettoperson wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.
Why not? You can get an M-4 for about $450.
What? I thought everyone on here keeps going on about how automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars?

That depends on the quality of the weapon. It also depends on whether or not you're using legal means.

Contraband weapons are very expensive.

2011-01-08 17:13:20

#111

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.
Why not? You can get an M-4 for about $450.
What? I thought everyone on here keeps going on about how automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars?

Well, it's semi-automatic. A new one would cost $1250 or so which isn't a whole lot. There are a ton of books available on the web that show step by step how to convert a semi to fully automatic, how to make silencers etc.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-01-08 17:14:11)

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2011-01-08 17:15:15

#112

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
In any case, it seems unlikely that a 20-something year old had the funds to get a legal automatic weapon.
Why not? You can get an M-4 for about $450.
What? I thought everyone on here keeps going on about how automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars?

EDIT: I'm just not sure whether I've completely misunderstood everyone all this time, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.bushmaster.com/a-tacs-m4-carbine.asp

That's a tricked out AR-15 in the M-4 style. $1350 direct from the manufacturer semi-automatic rifle.

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2011-01-08 17:17:03

#113

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rFzoL7nQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Ar-15-Modificatio … amp;sr=8-3

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2011-01-08 17:18:18

#114

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6904

Oh did he not have an automatic weapon after all then? Or you're saying you can buy a semi-auto and convert it illegally? When I said automatics cost tens of thousands, I was only talking about buying a legal already automatic weapon, I hadn't really thought of converting them.

2011-01-08 17:18:57

#115

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6438|Ireland

I wonder if this will give some of the politicians pause while they are selling out America? I really haven't read or followed this story other than it appears a crazy shot her because of the corrupt Monetary policies in the government. A lot of politicians have to be praying this sort of stuff doesn't catch on. There are a lot of people losing their houses a shit over the crap this government has been doing and when a person loses all their shit it makes them dangerous. Not sure that is the case with this loon.

Being it was in Arizona I'm surprised it wasn't over the border policies and how she voted on that type of stuff.

2011-01-08 17:19:58

#116

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6438|Ireland

ghettoperson wrote:
Oh did he not have an automatic weapon after all then? Or you're saying you can buy a semi-auto and convert it illegally? When I said automatics cost tens of thousands, I was only talking about buying a legal already automatic weapon, I hadn't really thought of converting them.

sear.

2011-01-08 17:20:02

#117

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:
Oh did he not have an automatic weapon after all then? Or you're saying you can buy a semi-auto and convert it illegally? When I said automatics cost tens of thousands, I was only talking about buying a legal already automatic weapon, I hadn't really thought of converting them.

The only fully automatic weapons you can purchase are 'grandfathered' antiques. Or you have to be a licensed dealer. That's why they're expensive.

Conversion kits are, however, cheap. (and illegal)

https://doesitallmatter.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/waving-us-flag.gif?w=300&h=225

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-01-08 17:20:54)

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2011-01-08 17:23:21

#118

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6660|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Oh did he not have an automatic weapon after all then? Or you're saying you can buy a semi-auto and convert it illegally? When I said automatics cost tens of thousands, I was only talking about buying a legal already automatic weapon, I hadn't really thought of converting them.
The only fully automatic weapons you can purchase are 'grandfathered' antiques. Or you have to be a licensed dealer. That's why they're expensive.

Conversion kits are, however, cheap. (and illegal)

http://doesitallmatter.files.wordpress. … &h=225

Yeah, it kind of makes laws against automatic weapons rather useless.

2011-01-08 17:27:09

#119

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

Turquoise wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Oh did he not have an automatic weapon after all then? Or you're saying you can buy a semi-auto and convert it illegally? When I said automatics cost tens of thousands, I was only talking about buying a legal already automatic weapon, I hadn't really thought of converting them.
The only fully automatic weapons you can purchase are 'grandfathered' antiques. Or you have to be a licensed dealer. That's why they're expensive.

Conversion kits are, however, cheap. (and illegal)

http://doesitallmatter.files.wordpress. … &h=225
Yeah, it kind of makes laws against automatic weapons rather useless.

And pointless. With a little ingenuity you could turn a flashlight into a gun

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-01-08 17:31:31

#120

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6438|Ireland

JohnG@lt wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

The only fully automatic weapons you can purchase are 'grandfathered' antiques. Or you have to be a licensed dealer. That's why they're expensive.

Conversion kits are, however, cheap. (and illegal)

http://doesitallmatter.files.wordpress. … &h=225
Yeah, it kind of makes laws against automatic weapons rather useless.
And pointless. With a little ingenuity you could turn a flashlight into a gun

Would people feel better if she was shot with a black powder rifle or a crossbow?

2011-01-08 17:33:05

#121

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

Lotta_Drool wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Yeah, it kind of makes laws against automatic weapons rather useless.
And pointless. With a little ingenuity you could turn a flashlight into a gun
Would people feel better if she was shot with a black powder rifle or a crossbow?

I think it would cut down on the OMG GUNS ARE EVIL!!!! idiot comments.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-01-08 17:33:58

#122

Reciprocity: Member; +721|6835|the dank(super) side of Oregon

converting most weapons to full auto capability requires more than just swapping parts. It's not really a pervasive criminal issue. I'd imagine the ATF spends far more time dealing with short barreled rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

2011-01-08 17:36:15

#123

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5613|London, England

Reciprocity wrote:
converting most weapons to full auto capability requires more than just swapping parts. It's not really a pervasive criminal issue. I'd imagine the ATF spends far more time dealing with short barreled rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

You do need skill as a machinist, yeah.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-01-08 17:36:28

#124

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6438|Ireland

JohnG@lt wrote:
Lotta_Drool wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

And pointless. With a little ingenuity you could turn a flashlight into a gun
Would people feel better if she was shot with a black powder rifle or a crossbow?
I think it would cut down on the OMG GUNS ARE EVIL!!!! idiot comments.

The real issue here is that the guy was a pot head. Pot kills people, round up the pot heads!

2011-01-08 17:36:46

#125

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5728|Ventura, California

Lotta_Drool wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Yeah, it kind of makes laws against automatic weapons rather useless.
And pointless. With a little ingenuity you could turn a flashlight into a gun
Would people feel better if she was shot with a black powder rifle or a crossbow?

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