I can not help it that you are comfortable with your govt. telling you that you do not have a right to protect yourself against criminals breaking into your house, or trying to car jack you, or trying to mug you as you walk down a dark alley.presidentsheep wrote:
I'd rather live in a society where almost no-one has guns, remove the potential for danger out of the equation.
It's a tool just like a knife, axe, sword, crossbow, rolled up newspaper, poison etc. You have some fluffy bunny utopian dream that if only guns were banned people would get along and hug out their differences. You're wrong. People have always and will always try to kill each other. You could ban everything I listed and people would still fashion slings and clubs. It's human nature. You're just a pussy.presidentsheep wrote:
how is a handgun a tool? for example the one used in the shooting we're all discussing?JohnG@lt wrote:
zomg guns are bad. please. They're just a tool.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
neh I have to good a quality of live where I live now. I don't feel like abandoning it and running away. I think I will stay and defend my hearth and home if I have to.DrunkFace wrote:
So live in one where NO ONE has guns.lowing wrote:
and I would rather NOT live in a society where JUST THE CRIMINALS have guns.presidentsheep wrote:
All i'm trying to say is I would rather live in a society where no-one is threatened by guns instead of everyone, adding them into a situation just escalates it, if you feel you need to carry a gun to protect yourself then there's something wrong with where you're living.
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Nope, that would something beyond anyones control. Defending my life against an intruder or an attacker is something I have a measure of control over. Really, try and make your arguments a little more down to earth. This shit about getting struck by lightening as an analogy, or moving to a society with no guns does nothing but show that you really have no argument to make.DrunkFace wrote:
Do you wear a Faraday suit for the ONE time you'll get hit by lightning too?lowing wrote:
who said anything about needing to defend yourself on a regular basis. I carry for the ONE time I will need to defend myself, I do not carry because I feel I will be attacked on a "regular basis". Good god. Do you really believe your own argument, or are you just wanting to argue?presidentsheep wrote:
Why in a modern society should you have to feel the need to defend yourself with deadly force on a regular basis?
So you're saying that if someone attacked you you wouldn't defend yourself because it goes against your morals? Are you a fucking Quaker?presidentsheep wrote:
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
People really think banning guns would've stopped an event like this? Jeez.
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I'm saying I wouldn't kill them, yes.JohnG@lt wrote:
So you're saying that if someone attacked you you wouldn't defend yourself because it goes against your morals? Are you a fucking Quaker?presidentsheep wrote:
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I'm saying I wouldn't kill them, yes.JohnG@lt wrote:
So you're saying that if someone attacked you you wouldn't defend yourself because it goes against your morals? Are you a fucking Quaker?presidentsheep wrote:
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I'm saying I wouldn't kill them, yes.JohnG@lt wrote:
So you're saying that if someone attacked you you wouldn't defend yourself because it goes against your morals? Are you a fucking Quaker?
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Are you suggesting that because I carry a gun that I have no moral compass or do not value life? On the contrary, I carry because I do value life, namely my own and my families. I do not want to kill anyone, nor do I dream about it. The idea scares me, however what scares me more is to not be able to defend my self, my family or my home if I were to ever be put in that situation.presidentsheep wrote:
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
Without reason? Are you fucking dense? I said if someone were attacking you. If you aren't willing to defend your own life then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I'm saying I wouldn't kill them, yes.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This.lowing wrote:
Are you suggesting that because I carry a gun that I have no moral compass or do not value life? On the contrary, I carry because I do value life, namely my own and my families. I do not want to kill anyone, nor do I dream about it. The idea scares me, however what scares me more is to not be able to defend my self, my family or my home if I were to ever be put in that situation.presidentsheep wrote:
i'm comfortable with my own moral compass telling me it's not ok to kill people and personally i'd rather limit others potential to do the same as much as possible. Contrary to your beliefs not everyone out there is trying to murder the fuck out of everyone else 100% of the time and the fact that I don't want anyone to die unnecessarily doesn't really make me a pussy, more a human being.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I love the bubble boy argument.
lol as if self defense AGAINST deadly force is not reason enough to use deadly force. I am convinced now, that you do not believe your own arguments, you are just arguing for the fun of it.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I'm saying I wouldn't kill them, yes.
Just about the greatest display of naivete I've witnessed on this forum. I'm in awe.Pug wrote:
I love the bubble boy argument.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
How so?
Not you, sheep.Pug wrote:
How so?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
If someone's attacking me, my first go to is not to kill them.JohnG@lt wrote:
Without reason? Are you fucking dense? I said if someone were attacking you. If you aren't willing to defend your own life then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you don't deserve to live.
I suppose being raised in a country where guns are not widely available has skewed my perception on this, however I can't see leaving the house with something that is specifically designed to kill people as necessary in a modern society.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
for u galt
Yeah, but how so?
It may not be realistic to live in a bubble, but sooner or later even the bubble boy gets laid.
fuck I'm bored
Yeah, but how so?
It may not be realistic to live in a bubble, but sooner or later even the bubble boy gets laid.
fuck I'm bored
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But you'd be quite alright with someone walking around with a knife since it's a multifunction tool? Lol.presidentsheep wrote:
If someone's attacking me, my first go to is not to kill them.JohnG@lt wrote:
Without reason? Are you fucking dense? I said if someone were attacking you. If you aren't willing to defend your own life then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?
I suppose being raised in a country where guns are not widely available has skewed my perception on this, however I can't see leaving the house with something that is specifically designed to kill people as necessary in a modern society.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Um... defending yourself doesn't require killing someone. Look, I don't agree with sheep's stance, but you're going off the deep end here.JohnG@lt wrote:
Without reason? Are you fucking dense? I said if someone were attacking you. If you aren't willing to defend your own life then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you don't deserve to live.
Next gun purchase, Springfield Micro CMP .45 ACP can't wait to blow someones brains out with that beautyJohnG@lt wrote:
Not you, sheep.Pug wrote:
How so?
I dont own any guns. I do want a shotgun when I buy a house though.lowing wrote:
Next gun purchase, Springfield Micro CMP .45 ACP can't wait to blow someones brains out with that beautyJohnG@lt wrote:
Not you, sheep.Pug wrote:
How so?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I do not buy into that equal force shit. I will not throw my gun away and pick up a knife because my attacker only has a knife. If he is in my home uninvited, I will shoot to kill. His presence is an assumed deadly threat, automatically. As I said earlier, I will bring a gun to your knife fight.Turquoise wrote:
Um... defending yourself doesn't require killing someone. Look, I don't agree with sheep's stance, but you're going off the deep end here.JohnG@lt wrote:
Without reason? Are you fucking dense? I said if someone were attacking you. If you aren't willing to defend your own life then you don't deserve to live.presidentsheep wrote:
I don't deserve to live because I wouldn't kill another human being without reason?
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