Police Chief on Trial for Child's Accidental Death at Gun Show

2011-01-07 13:57:33

#1

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

The teenager who worked at a gun show where 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj accidentally killed himself while shooting an Uzi testified today he twice suggested the boy's father pick a less powerful weapon for the boy to shoot.

But Christopher's father, Dr. Charles Bizilj, insisted that his son be allowed to fire the automatic weapon, Michael Spano told the court. Spano was 15 at the time of the 2008 Massachusetts gun expo and was put in charge of allowing people to fire the 9 mm Micro Uzi, a submachine gun that fires 20 rounds a second.

Former Pelham, Mass., police chief Edward Fleury is on trial for the boy's death because he organized the gun expo. He is charged with involuntary manslaughter. He has pleaded not guilty.

The most dramatic moment of the trial came Thursday when the court watched video recorded by Charles Bizilj of the boy handling the gun. The father, who was on the stand at the time, closed his eyes as the video showed the boy struggling to handle the gun's recoil. The barrel reared up and shot the boy in the head. The court room gasped and the boy's mother left the courtroom in tears.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christo … PNheadline

So, the former police chief that organized this event is being tried for manslaughter due to the bad judgment of a pushy father.

We were talking about bad parenting in Hurricane's thread, but to me, this is an even better example of it. Sadly, it looks like a former police chief may go to jail over an idiot father's choice.

If anything, they should try the father for child endangerment rather than trying the police chief.

Any thoughts?

2011-01-07 14:00:44

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SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6842|Mountains of NC

sad .

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2011-01-07 14:03:19

#3

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

why is a teenager working at a gunshow? why are the guns loaded?

2011-01-07 14:07:07

#4

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:
why is a teenager working at a gunshow? why are the guns loaded?

These are both valid concerns. Employing a 15 year old with that level of responsibility is something that the former chief might be liable for.

Still, charging him with manslaughter is over the top in my opinion. Ultimately, the father was more at fault than anyone else.

2011-01-07 14:08:21

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13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6771

11 Bravo wrote:
why is a teenager working at a gunshow? why are the guns loaded?

i understand there was a range behind the exhibition hall. not to ignore your questions (i don't know the answers) but i've never personally been to a show that let you fire weapons - i asked myself the same questions at the time this happened . . .

2011-01-07 14:08:31

#6

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6842|Mountains of NC

11 Bravo wrote:
why is a teenager working at a gunshow? why are the guns loaded?

this actually the first that I've ever heard of a gunshow that had a gun range too

shame the teenager didn't refuse and then immediatly find someone higher in the chain of command to deal with the father

but on the subject of Chief : This is a stretch or some bad loop hole to be able to come after the chief on this one

2011-01-07 14:08:59

#7

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

maybe but the organizer failed in oversight and is responsible

2011-01-07 14:10:45

#8

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6842|Mountains of NC

Is there no law in MA about age requirements on shooting at public ranges ?

2011-01-07 14:12:03

#9

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:
maybe but the organizer failed in oversight and is responsible

He's not responsible for the father's choice though.

2011-01-07 14:13:07

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
maybe but the organizer failed in oversight and is responsible
He's not responsible for the father's choice though.

was the father pointing a gun at him forcing him to let his kid shoot?

2011-01-07 14:15:40

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
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maybe but the organizer failed in oversight and is responsible
He's not responsible for the father's choice though.
was the father pointing a gun at him forcing him to let his kid shoot?

No, of course not, but the 15 year old who gave the kid the gun is more responsible than the cop. If you're going to prosecute someone for manslaughter, that would be the only logical culprit.

2011-01-07 14:16:43

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

He's not responsible for the father's choice though.
was the father pointing a gun at him forcing him to let his kid shoot?
No, of course not, but the 15 year old who gave the kid the gun is more responsible than the cop. If you're going to prosecute someone for manslaughter, that would be the only logical culprit.

negative. a 15 yr old doesnt know any better. the cop let underage kids handle loaded weapons without the proper supervision.

2011-01-07 14:17:05

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

was the father pointing a gun at him forcing him to let his kid shoot?
No, of course not, but the 15 year old who gave the kid the gun is more responsible than the cop. If you're going to prosecute someone for manslaughter, that would be the only logical culprit.
negative. a 15 yr old doesnt know any better. the cop let underage kids handle loaded weapons without the proper supervision.

So did the father. You'd have to charge him as well.

2011-01-07 14:18:10

#14

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

No, of course not, but the 15 year old who gave the kid the gun is more responsible than the cop. If you're going to prosecute someone for manslaughter, that would be the only logical culprit.
negative. a 15 yr old doesnt know any better. the cop let underage kids handle loaded weapons without the proper supervision.
So did the father. You'd have to charge him as well.

i agree

2011-01-07 14:21:36

#15

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

I can see charging the cop with a gun violation, but actually holding him personally responsible for the kid's death is ridiculous IMHO.

As for manslaughter, just charge the dad or drop the charges altogether. Hell, he's already paid the ultimate price anyway.

2011-01-07 14:22:40

#16

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6842|Mountains of NC

11 Bravo wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

negative. a 15 yr old doesnt know any better. the cop let underage kids handle loaded weapons without the proper supervision.
So did the father. You'd have to charge him as well.
i agree

without a doubt but I bet this guy allready feels like killing himself

2011-01-07 14:32:41

#17

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6273|...

I believe everyone involved in the case would want to kill themselves.

OP wrote:
The most dramatic moment of the trial came Thursday when the court watched video recorded by Charles Bizilj of the boy handling the gun. The father, who was on the stand at the time, closed his eyes as the video showed the boy struggling to handle the gun's recoil. The barrel reared up and shot the boy in the head. The court room gasped and the boy's mother left the courtroom in tears.

Just wow.

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2011-01-07 14:32:52

#18

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX

Turquoise wrote:
So, the former police chief that organized this event is being tried for manslaughter due to the bad judgment of a pushy father.

We were talking about bad parenting in Hurricane's thread, but to me, this is an even better example of it. Sadly, it looks like a former police chief may go to jail over an idiot father's choice.

If anything, they should try the father for child endangerment rather than trying the police chief.

Any thoughts?

The Police chief is on trial because he did not have proper procedures in place - simple as that.

Fuck Israel

2011-01-07 14:35:09

#19

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
So, the former police chief that organized this event is being tried for manslaughter due to the bad judgment of a pushy father.

We were talking about bad parenting in Hurricane's thread, but to me, this is an even better example of it. Sadly, it looks like a former police chief may go to jail over an idiot father's choice.

If anything, they should try the father for child endangerment rather than trying the police chief.

Any thoughts?
The Police chief is on trial because he did not have proper procedures in place - simple as that.

I believe a charge of manslaughter is excessive. He didn't personally hand the boy the gun.

2011-01-07 14:43:15

#20

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6380|eXtreme to the maX

But he effectively handed the gun to a teenager without clear instructions on who he could hand it to.

Fuck Israel

2011-01-07 14:55:16

#21

cpt.fass1: The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n; +329|6970|NJ

Holy crap, I'm as guilty as anyone. The courts are out of control.

Hey now you know what happens if you let your 8 year old shot and he dies. Have an other child and let him get older before you make shitty decisions.
Why do we let retarded people go to court, I know attorneys need to make money but this is disgusting and a waste of time. Also who cares if the guy who runs the gun show is a cop.

2011-01-07 14:57:14

#22

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6273|...

Well hey people lost their kid, ofcourse they're going to try get in court with it

inane little opines

2011-01-07 14:57:45

#23

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5511|Cleveland, Ohio

hey im gonna invite a bunch of kids over to my beer and gun appreciation expo......im not responsible for what happens.

2011-01-07 14:59:35

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west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6663

When and where bro?

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2011-01-07 15:05:45

#25

cpt.fass1: The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n; +329|6970|NJ

11 Bravo wrote:
hey im gonna invite a bunch of kids over to my beer and gun appreciation expo......im not responsible for what happens.

You have you an 8 year old and you're going to let him fire a fully automatic rifle. If the child was there alone it'd be a different story, but he had HIS FATHERS supervision. The only thing keeping this child alive was that Automatic Firearms are illegal in Mass(they have to be cause I hear it's pretty hard to get a gun there).

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