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Macbeth wrote:

I have been following the story of the guy since Nov.
and you didnt know about what kmar was talking about?  wow
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Macbeth wrote:

I have been following the story of the guy since Nov.
what'd you pay for the book?
Kmar
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tuckergustav wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEG7m8Fe5c
From the local news in the guy's area.
yea, it was something like that. Also in his words.

Mac, I've been following since the amazon controversy as well. And now it would appear that it's heading to my backyard.

Time and/or the Telegraph should check the basic facts in the story before publishing.
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burnzz wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I have been following the story of the guy since Nov.
what'd you pay for the book?
lol i did
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The guy sounds like a fucking scumbag. I can't say I think he should be arrested though, assuming he hasn't actually committed any crimes, which seems a little confusing at this stage. But I'd still support giving him a swift kick in the groin.
tuckergustav
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I also wonder if entrapment will come into play?  The cop was looking for a way to bring him to justice and initiated an illegal transaction to do so.  Which is too bad, really.
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Jay
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People seem to be missing the point here. It's most certainly a free speech issue because where do you draw the line? Is everyone aware that if he had written a guide teaching parents how to avoid pedophiles it would've had the exact same result? It just would've been more socially acceptable.

A parent could buy this guide and learn how to protect their children better.

A pedophile could buy a guide dealing with prevention and learn new ways to get through to kids.

Trying to ban knowledge is just stupid. It's a losing battle.
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Kmar
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Greaves wrote:

He adds that it is only a crime to act on sexual impulses toward children, and offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.

Sheriff wrote:

"You cannot engage or depict children in a harmful relationship," Judd said.
de·pict/diˈpikt/Verb
1. Show or represent by a drawing, painting, or other art form.
2. Portray in words; describe.

tucker wrote:

I also wonder if entrapment will come into play?
Literally my first thought. .. he has been extradited. We'll see.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

People seem to be missing the point here. It's most certainly a free speech issue because where do you draw the line? Is everyone aware that if he had written a guide teaching parents how to avoid pedophiles it would've had the exact same result? It just would've been more socially acceptable.

A parent could buy this guide and learn how to protect their children better.

A pedophile could buy a guide dealing with prevention and learn new ways to get through to kids.

Trying to ban knowledge is just stupid. It's a losing battle.
What you are saying makes sense...logically.  I think that because it involves children it is hard to see past the sheer disgust...ya know?  If you pause the video I posted on the clips of some of the pages...ew, it made my skin crawl.  So, it is difficult to feel any sympathy for HIS rights, ya know?
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Kmar
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That is why I am approaching from a legal point of view. Not philosophically. tbh I find more interesting (we've run the free speech thing into the ground). Right or wrong the Sheriff appears to be a clever man. Getting him to autograph sign it and mail it to the undercover. I mean, just in case there was any doubt in court that he sent it. ..lol
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Jay
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tuckergustav wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

People seem to be missing the point here. It's most certainly a free speech issue because where do you draw the line? Is everyone aware that if he had written a guide teaching parents how to avoid pedophiles it would've had the exact same result? It just would've been more socially acceptable.

A parent could buy this guide and learn how to protect their children better.

A pedophile could buy a guide dealing with prevention and learn new ways to get through to kids.

Trying to ban knowledge is just stupid. It's a losing battle.
What you are saying makes sense...logically.  I think that because it involves children it is hard to see past the sheer disgust...ya know?  If you pause the video I posted on the clips of some of the pages...ew, it made my skin crawl.  So, it is difficult to feel any sympathy for HIS rights, ya know?
And I completely understand that. You just have to get past the knee jerk "omg this guy is such a piece of shit" thoughts and recognize that info like this is scattered all across the net, in movies, and in other books so trying this guy is nothing more than a way to make people feel better about themselves and safer. It's like the TSA, we all know it doesn't really do shit, but people accept it and put up with it because it makes them feel safer even though they really aren't. I'm just really against prosecuting someone like this who has no criminal record.
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-Frederick Bastiat
Kmar
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I'm thinking about writing a book on how to get away with murdering a Pedophile. Do you think Amazon will carry it?
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tuckergustav
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Here are a couple things I am wondering...
1. Will they search his house/car/computer for evidence to back up these claims?
and ...
2. If they find evidence of actual foul-play(child porn), will it be submittable?
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JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm just really against prosecuting someone like this who has no criminal record.
that may change soon . . .
Jay
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Kmar wrote:

I'm thinking about writing a book on how to get away with murdering a Pedophile. Do you think Amazon will carry it?
I don't see why they shouldn't They have books on everything else. How to start a revolution, how to convert a semi-automatic into an automatic, how to build bombs etc
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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tuckergustav wrote:

Here are a couple things I am wondering...
1. Will they search his house/car/computer for evidence to back up these claims?
and ...
2. If they find evidence of actual foul-play(child porn), will it be submittable?
I'd say they've been given probable cause to do a search.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Kmar
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it's ok though, he asked for it
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Kmar
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JohnG@lt wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

Here are a couple things I am wondering...
1. Will they search his house/car/computer for evidence to back up these claims?
and ...
2. If they find evidence of actual foul-play(child porn), will it be submittable?
I'd say they've been given probable cause to do a search.
My gut tells me that this sheriff just wants to make a run at this guy. Make his life harder, ensure that he stays in the spotlight.
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Jay
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Kmar wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

Here are a couple things I am wondering...
1. Will they search his house/car/computer for evidence to back up these claims?
and ...
2. If they find evidence of actual foul-play(child porn), will it be submittable?
I'd say they've been given probable cause to do a search.
My gut tells me that this sheriff just wants to make a run at this guy. Make his life harder, ensure that he stays in the spotlight.
Of course. It's a high profile win for him. He's a politician with a badge.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
tuckergustav
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Kmar wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

Here are a couple things I am wondering...
1. Will they search his house/car/computer for evidence to back up these claims?
and ...
2. If they find evidence of actual foul-play(child porn), will it be submittable?
I'd say they've been given probable cause to do a search.
My gut tells me that this sheriff just wants to make a run at this guy. Make his life harder, ensure that he stays in the spotlight.
mmm. A way to warn parents to keep their kids away from him.  clever.
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Kmar
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Yea, and there are worse things that can happen to you besides a conviction. If pedoman is going to scurf the line why not scurf the line with him?
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Morpheus
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JohnG@lt wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

People seem to be missing the point here. It's most certainly a free speech issue because where do you draw the line? Is everyone aware that if he had written a guide teaching parents how to avoid pedophiles it would've had the exact same result? It just would've been more socially acceptable.

A parent could buy this guide and learn how to protect their children better.

A pedophile could buy a guide dealing with prevention and learn new ways to get through to kids.

Trying to ban knowledge is just stupid. It's a losing battle.
What you are saying makes sense...logically.  I think that because it involves children it is hard to see past the sheer disgust...ya know?  If you pause the video I posted on the clips of some of the pages...ew, it made my skin crawl.  So, it is difficult to feel any sympathy for HIS rights, ya know?
And I completely understand that. You just have to get past the knee jerk "omg this guy is such a piece of shit" thoughts and recognize that info like this is scattered all across the net, in movies, and in other books so trying this guy is nothing more than a way to make people feel better about themselves and safer. It's like the TSA, we all know it doesn't really do shit, but people accept it and put up with it because it makes them feel safer even though they really aren't. I'm just really against prosecuting someone like this who has no criminal record.
I'm going to agree with John on this one.... at least, in terms of 'this guy has done nothing more than consolidate'.
Also, Like Kmar, I'm more interested in the legal aspect of this.... yea, free speech and all that shit has been run to the ground long ago.

I'm also curious how many people (critics of it) have read the book - at least, it would be interesting to see if it has any value for law enforcement/legal prosecution.... or if they're simply reacting to the title (kind of like Andres Serrano's Piss Chirst...)
EE (hats
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free speech...you guys hanging your hat on free speech?

tell that guy who got sued for swearing in front of someones kid on a golf course.  free speech my ass.
Kmar
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Morpheus wrote:

I'm also curious how many people (critics of it) have read the book - at least, it would be interesting to see if it has any value for law enforcement/legal prosecution.... or if they're simply reacting to the title (kind of like Andres Serrano's Piss Chirst...)
I would hope that officers, detectives, parental educators, criminal profilers, and other investigators read it .. since it is a supposed how to book. It should be full of clues and signs.
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