Because I know that if you don't work on the books, you're not paying payroll taxes, you fucking idiot.UnkleRukus wrote:
How would you know, are you an illegal alien?Turquoise wrote:
No they don't. Payroll taxes are the majority of taxation on low income earners. Yes, they can file later for refunds, but the upfront money is what matters for having operating income for governmental functions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hey Turquoise? I can't make this any plainer. I'll talk slowly...
Illegals... pay... more... in... taxes... than... legal...citizens...since...they...can't...ask...for...a...tax...return...
Illegals don't pay payroll taxes, for obvious reasons.
...which should be prosecuted as well.JohnG@lt wrote:
Unless they are working under the table (like millions of legal Americans do) their employer withholds payroll tax for them.Turquoise wrote:
No they don't. Payroll taxes are the majority of taxation on low income earners. Yes, they can file later for refunds, but the upfront money is what matters for having operating income for governmental functions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hey Turquoise? I can't make this any plainer. I'll talk slowly...
Illegals... pay... more... in... taxes... than... legal...citizens...since...they...can't...ask...for...a...tax...return...
Illegals don't pay payroll taxes, for obvious reasons.
Don't call me the fucking idiot here, you want to collapse this nation by getting rid of illegals. Good job moron.Turquoise wrote:
Because I know that if you don't work on the books, you're not paying payroll taxes, you fucking idiot.UnkleRukus wrote:
How would you know, are you an illegal alien?Turquoise wrote:
No they don't. Payroll taxes are the majority of taxation on low income earners. Yes, they can file later for refunds, but the upfront money is what matters for having operating income for governmental functions.
Illegals don't pay payroll taxes, for obvious reasons.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Most of them work on the books with a fake social security number.Turquoise wrote:
Because I know that if you don't work on the books, you're not paying payroll taxes, you fucking idiot.UnkleRukus wrote:
How would you know, are you an illegal alien?Turquoise wrote:
No they don't. Payroll taxes are the majority of taxation on low income earners. Yes, they can file later for refunds, but the upfront money is what matters for having operating income for governmental functions.
Illegals don't pay payroll taxes, for obvious reasons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You really think that? You really think that illegals are keeping this nation afloat?UnkleRukus wrote:
Don't call me the fucking idiot here, you want to collapse this nation by getting rid of illegals. Good job moron.Turquoise wrote:
Because I know that if you don't work on the books, you're not paying payroll taxes, you fucking idiot.UnkleRukus wrote:
How would you know, are you an illegal alien?
Ok, get right on that. Good luck.Turquoise wrote:
...which should be prosecuted as well.JohnG@lt wrote:
Unless they are working under the table (like millions of legal Americans do) their employer withholds payroll tax for them.Turquoise wrote:
No they don't. Payroll taxes are the majority of taxation on low income earners. Yes, they can file later for refunds, but the upfront money is what matters for having operating income for governmental functions.
Illegals don't pay payroll taxes, for obvious reasons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.UnkleRukus wrote:
This country would collapse if all the employers of the illegals got fined hefty amounts or imprisoned.
Most of our food production and general goods production is done by illegals, harvesting crops is done by illegals, shit factory jobs, janitorial jobs, stuff like that. Most of it is done by illegals. If there was no one around to hire them, who would do those jobs.
I really do think that, because if they for one second stop working in the fields of the Mid-West, South-West, West Coast, anywhere. then our food production will be almost nil.Turquoise wrote:
You really think that? You really think that illegals are keeping this nation afloat?UnkleRukus wrote:
Don't call me the fucking idiot here, you want to collapse this nation by getting rid of illegals. Good job moron.Turquoise wrote:
Because I know that if you don't work on the books, you're not paying payroll taxes, you fucking idiot.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Too many rules and regulations are the reason why they're coming in illegally. If there weren't so many thick headed individuals on the borders, we might be a little more stable. If we didn't have so many conglomerates working these people to the bone for practically nothing then we would be more stable.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.UnkleRukus wrote:
This country would collapse if all the employers of the illegals got fined hefty amounts or imprisoned.
Most of our food production and general goods production is done by illegals, harvesting crops is done by illegals, shit factory jobs, janitorial jobs, stuff like that. Most of it is done by illegals. If there was no one around to hire them, who would do those jobs.
HOWEVER, I do realize that this country would be nothing if it wasn't for the big conglomerates we have operating out of our country.
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If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
You can't justify breaking one law because other laws are being broken. That's like saying, "well, because rape happens no matter what, we shouldn't bother with enforcing rape laws."JohnG@lt wrote:
Ok, get right on that. Good luck.Turquoise wrote:
...which should be prosecuted as well.JohnG@lt wrote:
Unless they are working under the table (like millions of legal Americans do) their employer withholds payroll tax for them.
Limits on the number of visas and bureaucracy surely cause much of the problem, but again, we should fix that rather than continue to allow people to break these laws.UnkleRukus wrote:
Too many rules and regulations are the reason why they're coming in illegally.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.UnkleRukus wrote:
This country would collapse if all the employers of the illegals got fined hefty amounts or imprisoned.
Most of our food production and general goods production is done by illegals, harvesting crops is done by illegals, shit factory jobs, janitorial jobs, stuff like that. Most of it is done by illegals. If there was no one around to hire them, who would do those jobs.
You don't fix the system by ignoring law enforcement. Changing laws has to happen.
That's a terrible metaphor for this.Turquoise wrote:
You can't justify breaking one law because other laws are being broken. That's like saying, "well, because rape happens no matter what, we shouldn't bother with enforcing rape laws."JohnG@lt wrote:
Ok, get right on that. Good luck.Turquoise wrote:
...which should be prosecuted as well.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.Turquoise wrote:
Limits on the number of visas and bureaucracy surely cause much of the problem, but again, we should fix that rather than continue to allow people to break these laws.UnkleRukus wrote:
Too many rules and regulations are the reason why they're coming in illegally.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.
You don't fix the system by ignoring law enforcement. Changing laws has to happen.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
And you don't think neighboring tribes invaded each others territory? Change the song ffs.UnkleRukus wrote:
Illegal Aliens have always been a problem in this country, just ask the Native Americans.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
What is the fucking difference? They're here. They're working. They're paying taxes. They're sending their kids to school. What the fuck makes it illegal? Shouldn't we instead be looking into the ridiculous quota systems? Open the gates pre-Ellis Island style.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.UnkleRukus wrote:
This country would collapse if all the employers of the illegals got fined hefty amounts or imprisoned.
Most of our food production and general goods production is done by illegals, harvesting crops is done by illegals, shit factory jobs, janitorial jobs, stuff like that. Most of it is done by illegals. If there was no one around to hire them, who would do those jobs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm sure he has him on speed dial.UnkleRukus wrote:
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.Turquoise wrote:
Limits on the number of visas and bureaucracy surely cause much of the problem, but again, we should fix that rather than continue to allow people to break these laws.UnkleRukus wrote:
Too many rules and regulations are the reason why they're coming in illegally.
You don't fix the system by ignoring law enforcement. Changing laws has to happen.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm sure his congressman has him blocked.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm sure he has him on speed dial.UnkleRukus wrote:
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.Turquoise wrote:
Limits on the number of visas and bureaucracy surely cause much of the problem, but again, we should fix that rather than continue to allow people to break these laws.
You don't fix the system by ignoring law enforcement. Changing laws has to happen.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
I would.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm sure his congressman has him blocked.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm sure he has him on speed dial.UnkleRukus wrote:
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's not my point. You're trying to justify laws being broken, I'm giving a legal solution.UnkleRukus wrote:
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.Turquoise wrote:
Limits on the number of visas and bureaucracy surely cause much of the problem, but again, we should fix that rather than continue to allow people to break these laws.UnkleRukus wrote:
Too many rules and regulations are the reason why they're coming in illegally.
You don't fix the system by ignoring law enforcement. Changing laws has to happen.
I am actually glad there is an attempt to document them. Doesn't that make sense? Isn't that the first step in considering (any) path forward? It sounds like we are entering a debate of birthrights.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Correct me If I am wrong here, but if Arizona gets more votes in the house because of Illegals, and they vote for more restrictions, wont that mean that within a few years their house votes will shrink again? Surely there can't be too many demos in Arizona.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
I'm fine with opening things up. I'm not fine with rewarding criminality.JohnG@lt wrote:
What is the fucking difference? They're here. They're working. They're paying taxes. They're sending their kids to school. What the fuck makes it illegal? Shouldn't we instead be looking into the ridiculous quota systems? Open the gates pre-Ellis Island style.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.UnkleRukus wrote:
This country would collapse if all the employers of the illegals got fined hefty amounts or imprisoned.
Most of our food production and general goods production is done by illegals, harvesting crops is done by illegals, shit factory jobs, janitorial jobs, stuff like that. Most of it is done by illegals. If there was no one around to hire them, who would do those jobs.
That is the irony of the situation.UnkleRukus wrote:
Correct me If I am wrong here, but if Arizona gets more votes in the house because of Illegals, and they vote for more restrictions, wont that mean that within a few years their house votes will shrink again? Surely there can't be too many demos in Arizona.
Whats criminal about these guys just wanting to make a few pesos for their family. If they had ties to drug runners, or if they were willing mules. then I would have a problem.Turquoise wrote:
I'm fine with opening things up. I'm not fine with rewarding criminality.JohnG@lt wrote:
What is the fucking difference? They're here. They're working. They're paying taxes. They're sending their kids to school. What the fuck makes it illegal? Shouldn't we instead be looking into the ridiculous quota systems? Open the gates pre-Ellis Island style.Turquoise wrote:
Opening up the visa system could work by letting the same people in. Allowing them to operate illegally is completely unacceptable.
I fucking hate the south.Turquoise wrote:
That is the irony of the situation.UnkleRukus wrote:
Correct me If I am wrong here, but if Arizona gets more votes in the house because of Illegals, and they vote for more restrictions, wont that mean that within a few years their house votes will shrink again? Surely there can't be too many demos in Arizona.
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If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Well, if you must know, Howard Coble would probably agree with my stance on this.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm sure his congressman has him blocked.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm sure he has him on speed dial.UnkleRukus wrote:
Well changing laws is not going to happen on BF2S.com. You want laws to change, phone up your congressman.