Stubbee
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Just cruising the internet on a slow Saturday afternoon and found out about Pensacola Christian College. And then read about Bob Jones University. YOU FOLKS ARE FRIKKEN NUTZOID.

OMG. I realize nobody is forced to go to these schools but wtfbbq. I don't know what to say. i am shaking my head. I am all for religious freedom but what does that have to do with inhibiting personal freedoms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola_ … an_College

for a highly entertaining read on their philosophy and campus rules. They expect to even control student life off-campus.

The quote comes form a site you have to register for (college confidential)
Pensacola Christian University

The campus looks just like the glossy brochure: clean, green, and beautiful. The students are well dressed and well groomed, not a pair of jeans or scrappy goatee in sight. Inside the Commons building, two students engage in a spirited game of Ping-Pong. When one of them misses an easy shot, he cries, "Praise the Lord!"

Pensacola Christian College prides itself on being different, not just from secular colleges, but from fellow Christian ones, too. Some of those differences, like the way students dress, are obvious to any visitor. Others are not. Since its founding, more than 30 years ago, Pensacola has blossomed from a tiny Bible college into a thriving institution of nearly 5,000 students. Along the way it has become known as among the most conservative — and most secretive — colleges in the country.

Not to mention one of the strictest. The rules at Pensacola govern every aspect of students' lives, including the books they read, the shoes they wear, the churches they attend, and the people they date. Many of those regulations are spelled out in a handbook sent to students after they enroll, but there are plenty of unwritten rules as well. Demerits are common and discipline swift.

It's all in the name of preserving Pensacola's "distinctives" — the word the college uses for what sets it apart. But many former students say the enforcement of the rules is often cruel and capricious. Dissent is never tolerated, they say, and expulsions for seemingly minor infractions are routine.

They also complain that Pensacola plays down (or never mentions) an important fact: It is not accredited. For many students, that lack of accreditation has not been a problem; for some, however, it has meant starting college over elsewhere or being rejected by employers.

In keeping with its distrust of outsiders, Pensacola's administration declined repeatedly to comment for this article. A spokesman says college officials "don't want to stir up a hornet's nest." But as interviews with dozens of current and former students make clear, the buzzing has already begun.

The Rule Book

Lisa Morris was walking to class with her boyfriend last October when something happened. At first Ms. Morris, a sophomore music major, is reluctant to divulge the details. Eventually, however, the truth comes out: He patted her behind.

Someone who witnessed the incident reported Ms. Morris and her boyfriend. At Pensacola any physical contact between members of the opposite sex is forbidden. (Members of the same sex may touch, although the college condemns homosexuality.) The forbidden contact includes shaking hands and definitely includes patting behinds. Both students were expelled.

Of Pensacola's many rules, those dealing with male-female relationships are the most talked about. There are restrictions on when and where men and women may speak to each other. Some elevators and stairwells may be used only by women; others may be used only by men. Socializing on particular benches is forbidden. If a man and a woman are walking to class, they may chat; if they stop en route, though, they may be in trouble. Generally men and women caught interacting in any "unchaperoned area" — which is most of the campus — could be subject to severe penalties.

Those rules extend beyond the campus. A man and a woman cannot go to an off-campus restaurant together without a chaperon (usually a faculty member). Even running into members of the opposite sex off campus can lead to punishment. One student told of how a group of men and a group of women from the college happened to meet at a McDonald's last spring. Both groups were returning from the beach (they had gone to separate beaches; men and women are not allowed to be at the beach together). The administration found out, and all 15 students were expelled.

Even couples who are not talking or touching can be reprimanded. Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies." While the rule does not appear in written form, most students interviewed for this article were familiar with the concept.

As she tells it, Ms. Poirier was not gazing lovingly at her boyfriend; he had something in his eye. But officials didn't buy her explanation, and she and her boyfriend were both "socialed," she says.

There are three levels of official punishment at Pensacola (four, if you count expulsion). Students can be "socialed," "campused," or "shadowed." Students who are socialed are not allowed to talk to members of the opposite sex for two weeks. Those who are campused may not leave the college grounds for two weeks or speak to other campused students.

Being shadowed is the worst of the three. Shadowed students are assigned to a "floor leader" for several days. A floor leader is a student who is paid by the college and has the power to issue demerits. Shadowed students must attend the floor leader's classes and sleep in the floor leader's room. During this time, the shadowed student is not allowed to talk to anyone but the floor leader. Shadowing is usually a prelude to expulsion.

Ms. Poirier was later told she would be shadowed after being spotted riding in a car in mixed company. She tried to explain that it was an innocent outing, but to no avail. When told she would be shadowed, Ms. Poirier decided to withdraw. "I said 'screw it' and I left," she says.

There are plenty of other ways to run afoul of the rules. Last spring Timothy Dow was caught playing the video game Halo 2. Such games are banned by the college. Movies are also forbidden, including those rated G. Music is restricted to classical or approved Christian ("contemporary Christian" artists are deemed too worldly). Students are allowed to watch television news at 6 o'clock, but that's it. The TVs are controlled by college employees, who flip a switch to black out the commercials, lest students see anything inappropriate.

In the library, books and magazines are censored. One student says she saw a pair of black-marker boxer shorts on a photograph of Michelangelo's David. Any books that students wish to read that are not in the library must first be approved by administrators. Those containing references to "magic," for instance, are normally rejected. The rule book specifically prohibits "fleshly magazines and books."

or playing the video game, Mr. Dow was campused. Later, in the cafeteria, he ran into a friend who had just been expelled. Mr. Dow had been told not to talk to his friend, who had previously been campused. But he figured it would be OK now that his friend was leaving. "I gave him a hug and said, 'See you later, man,'" he says.

Someone witnessed the exchange and turned Mr. Dow in. Students routinely turn each other in for violating rules and are rewarded by the administration for doing so. According to several former students, those who report classmates are more likely to become floor leaders.

Mr. Dow was called to the office of the dean of men, where, he says, he waited for about four hours. Then he was expelled.
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"Not accredited" should tell you all you need to know before you even consider attending.

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Uzique
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feel sorry for people that attend places like this for the pretense of an 'education'

seems like the sorta place shifty could earn a doctorate from

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Jay
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They aren't accredited.
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It's like the Dawson argument that religious institutions like this only need to sucker in the parents, and they can brainwash the children to an even further extreme of the doctrine.
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Sounds like it is not quite " islam " is it ? If it was you would be afraid to criticize.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2010-12-19 04:35:14)

Uzique
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what the fuck are you on about?
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H/J's motto:

Church schools: Less stupid than madrassas.


e: I attended a relatively liberal church school during 6th grade, but even they were over the top. It was pretty much enough to say you were a Christian of some sort, but denominational prejudice and membership preference reigned supreme in student, staff and student-staff politics. Your expression of faith dictated your classroom experience.

Also, there is still money there and where there's that, there's still drugs. Based on my experience at a church school, I would not recommend it to anyone.
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Optical intercourse ... epic   I was sent to visit Bob Jones when I was a junior in Christian high school.  Knew they were the extreme edge of conservative Christianity, but little did I know how much so.  Felt like a different planet ... one cannot listen to music that has drums in it. But don't be fooled, some of those conservative girls are just as naughty as can be.  The girl sitting by me on the bus trip down to the college had an ankle length skirt which buttoned down the middle ... but after we chatted for awhile she unbuttoned to a point that she might as well have been wearing shorts.
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Islamic madrassas, Christian madrassas, Jewish madrassas - they're all training camps for loonies
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Stubbee wrote:

Pensacola Christian University

Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
Hahahahahahahahaa

How the fuck are people like this taking themselves seriously, I mean, I'm all for people choosing their own religion and beliefs, but these people are clearly ready for a rubber cell...

This is no different from those courtyard cults xD
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madrassa just means school
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thanks for that, poindexter
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Ha! Christian schools.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

H/J's motto:

Church schools: Less stupid than madrassas..
How did you get that from this..
Sounds like it is not quite " islam " is it  ? If it was you would be afraid to criticize. .
tell me, please.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

e: I attended a relatively liberal church school during 6th grade, but even they were over the top. It was pretty much enough to say you were a Christian of some sort, but denominational prejudice and membership preference reigned supreme in student, staff and student-staff politics. Your expression of faith dictated your classroom experience.

Also, there is still money there and where there's that, there's still drugs. Based on my experience at a church school, I would not recommend it to anyone..
I would recommend the catholic schools in some places as the classrooms are smaller and they insist on better behavior.

The public school in my area is a perfect example of government run ineptness. Plus they have to observe and be respect full to all religions except Christianity, we pretend that one doesn't exist for some reason.

Our particular catholic school is A.F.U. but only because of the Union dope who is in charge. They do spend too much time learning about things like "the Eucharist " etc. IMO but my kid is doing really well and can handle it so were ok for now.

In my older kids public school, parents are talking on cell phones during their kids plays and pageants. As each kid completes their performance their parents get up and leave. The last preformer is singing ( or whatever ) in front of one or to people. The parents there have Absolutely no fucking class at all.
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Stingray24 wrote:

Optical intercourse ... epic
as a matter of intrest, how is " Optical intercourse " handled in islam or an islamic school ? anyone know ?
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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Sounds like it is not quite " islam " is it ? If it was you would be afraid to criticize.
and for that matter it compares well to the Orthodox Jews to be honest.

Let them have there little schools. I will bitch and moan when they start hurting others in the name of their religion.

Till then it seems like a bunch of sheep who seek and feel comfortable in large numbers amongst their own kind. That may apply elsewhere. . . . pick your own examples.

Curse if your a dolt.
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Wouldn't it be easier for separate boys&girls schools?

Why didn't they think of that?
Jay
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier for separate boys&girls schools?

Why didn't they think of that?
Because the girls aren't really there to learn. Their job is to be homemakers and cum dumpsters. They go to college to meet a future husband, not fill their minds with useless crap like biology.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier for separate boys&girls schools?

Why didn't they think of that?
Because the girls aren't really there to learn. Their job is to be homemakers and cum dumpsters. They go to college to meet a future husband, not fill their minds with useless crap like biology.
Did hillary go there ? again a lot of religions take this tack were is the outrage and contempt ?

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Jay
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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier for separate boys&girls schools?

Why didn't they think of that?
Because the girls aren't really there to learn. Their job is to be homemakers and cum dumpsters. They go to college to meet a future husband, not fill their minds with useless crap like biology.
Did hillary go there ? again a lot of religions take this tack were is the outrage and contempt ?
Provide a link to one in the US.
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I wish to attend this institution.
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gimme a sec..

By the way you are aware that woman are more physically suited to child rearing then men. The stay at home mom thing worked pretty well for thousands of years and we have seen the results of the " New Single mom " or State child rearing techniques.

If its your outrage that women's rolls seem diminished, there are better targets for your scorn.

I'm just curious as to why people care about this particular school, it seems harmless by comparison.
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Al-Amal School, Minneapolis
Al-Ihsan Islamic School, Syracuse, New York
Al-Hedayah Academy, Fort Worth Texas
American Islamic Academy, Dearborn, Michigan
An-Noor Islamic School, Wichita, Kansas
Al-Huda School, College Park, Maryland
Brighter Horizon School, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Clara Mohammed School, New York, New York
Claremont Islamic School, Pomona, California
Crescent View Academy, Aurora, Colorado
Darul Uloom Al Qasimia, Shamokin, Pennsylvania
Iman Academy, Houston, Texas
Islamic Academy of Riverside, California
Islamic Academy of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia
Islamic Foundation School, Villa Park, Illinois
Islamic School of Greater Kansas City, Missouri
Islamic School of Portland, Oregon
Muslim Community School, Potomac, Maryland
MET Islamic School, Portland, Oregon
New Horizon School, Irvine, California
New Horizon School, Los Angeles, California
New Horizon School, Pasadena, California
New Horizon School, Westside, California
Pleasant View School, Memphis, Tennessee
Salam, Sacramento
Silicon Valley Academy, Sunnyvale, California
Universal Academy of Florida, Tampa, Florida
Universal School, Bridgeview, Illinois

http://www.4islamicschools.org/

http://www.islamicity.com/education/schools.htm


http://education.stateuniversity.com/pa … tates.html

puff puff...that was hard. Would you call a Orthodox jew or islamic woman a cum dumpstr ?
Jay
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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Al-Amal School, Minneapolis
Al-Ihsan Islamic School, Syracuse, New York
Al-Hedayah Academy, Fort Worth Texas
American Islamic Academy, Dearborn, Michigan
An-Noor Islamic School, Wichita, Kansas
Al-Huda School, College Park, Maryland
Brighter Horizon School, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Clara Mohammed School, New York, New York
Claremont Islamic School, Pomona, California
Crescent View Academy, Aurora, Colorado
Darul Uloom Al Qasimia, Shamokin, Pennsylvania
Iman Academy, Houston, Texas
Islamic Academy of Riverside, California
Islamic Academy of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia
Islamic Foundation School, Villa Park, Illinois
Islamic School of Greater Kansas City, Missouri
Islamic School of Portland, Oregon
Muslim Community School, Potomac, Maryland
MET Islamic School, Portland, Oregon
New Horizon School, Irvine, California
New Horizon School, Los Angeles, California
New Horizon School, Pasadena, California
New Horizon School, Westside, California
Pleasant View School, Memphis, Tennessee
Salam, Sacramento
Silicon Valley Academy, Sunnyvale, California
Universal Academy of Florida, Tampa, Florida
Universal School, Bridgeview, Illinois

http://www.4islamicschools.org/

http://www.islamicity.com/education/schools.htm


http://education.stateuniversity.com/pa … tates.html

puff puff...that was hard. Would you call a Orthodox jew or islamic woman a cum dumpstr ?
Yes.
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