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WASHINGTON -- After two failed attempts, Senate Democrats cleared the way Saturday for passage of a landmark bill that would end the Clinton-era ban on gays serving openly in the military and mark a major triumph for President Obama, liberals and the gay community.

In an unusual weekend session, senators voted 63-33 to advance a bill ending the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

The repeal, which passed the House this week, could win final passage by Saturday afternoon. The Senate plans to vote at 3 p.m.

Obama praised the Senate, saying the policy undermines U.S. national security and violates "the very ideals" that members of the armed services risk their lives to defend.

Ending the ban will mean that "thousands of patriotic Americans" won't be forced to leave the military "despite years of exemplary performance, because they happen to be gay," Obama said.

Many thousands more won't be "asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love," he said.

Democrats won support from six Republicans to advance the bill: Sens. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mark Kirk of Illinois, George Voinovich of Ohio and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine.

Voinovich said in a statement that he had vowed to keep an open mind until the release earlier this month of the Pentagon's report on the impact of overturning the ban.

"Having reviewed the report, I accept its findings and Secertary Gates' recommendation and reassurance that the repeal will be implemented when the battle effectiveness of our forces is assured and proper preparations have been completed," he said.

Supporters of repealing the ban applauded the procedural vote.

"This vote today marks a critical step toward creating a path that could end in lesbian, gay and bisexual people finally being able to serve openly, honestly, and to great benefit of our country," said Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

"The Senate is on the precipice of history today and we encourage it to do the right thing and finally repeal this unconstitutional policy," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington legislative office.

With opposition from Republicans weakening, passage would deliver a  resounding victory to Obama, who made repeal of the 17-year-old law a campaign promise in 2008.

It also would be a win for congressional Democrats who have struggled in the final hours of the lame-duck session to overcome Republican objections, and for gay rights groups who said Saturday's vote was their best shot at changing the law because a new GOP-dominated Congress will take control in January.

Repeal would mean that for the first time in U.S. history, gays would be openly accepted by the military and could acknowledge their sexual orientation without fear of being kicked out. More than 13,500 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law.

Under the bill, the president and his top military advisers -- the defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- are required to certify to Congress that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' ability to fight. After that, 60 days must pass before any changes go into effect.

The House approved the bill earlier this week by a 250-174 vote.

A small but vocal group of Republicans led by Sen. John McCain of Arizona said the law shouldn't be changed during wartime.

"We send these young people into combat," said McCain. "We think they're mature enough to fight and die. I think they're mature enough to make a judgment on who they want to serve with and the impact on their battle effectiveness."

The Democratic push for repeal was strengthened by the release of a major Pentagon study that concluded gays could serve openly without affecting combat effectiveness. The assessment found that two-thirds of troops predicted little impact if the law is repealed.

But the chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps warned Congress that repeal could pose serious problems if the law is overturned when troops are still fighting in Afghanistan.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12 … z18UZtFZKX
No matter your politics, this is a win for civil rights.
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good ....................... the barracks could use some style and a makeover
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jord
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This will make things a bit easier for shifty then.
ghettoperson
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At last GS can come out without fear of them taking away his GI Bill money.
eleven bravo
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I predict long lines outside the navy and marine recruitment offices
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Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

I predict long lines outside the navy and marine recruitment offices
You'd think the Marine Corps Commandant would be happier that he can come out of the closet now.
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Now Army can break out there new camo

https://www.hospitalgowns.com/images/BIGS/BIG_Pink_Camo.jpg


also what new ribbion will the army be giving out for those that are gay
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Jay
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SEREMAKER wrote:

Now Army can break out there new camo

http://www.hospitalgowns.com/images/BIG … k_Camo.jpg


also what new ribbion will the army be giving out for those that are gay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Black_Ribbon.svg/222px-Black_Ribbon.svg.png
In a strange twist of fate, black is known to clash with nothing
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Jay
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The Army has always been supporters of the Gay Pride movement though:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Army_Service_Ribbon.svg/125px-Army_Service_Ribbon.svg.png
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Kmar
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Wont this actually make it tougher for gays? You know, now that they can ask?
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SEREMAKER wrote:

good ....................... the barracks could use some style and a makeover
Queer eye for a tank guy.
Little BaBy JESUS
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Kmar wrote:

Wont this actually make it tougher for gays? You know, now that they can ask?
Judging by every other military that allows homosexuals to serve openly I'm going to say no. But, who knows.
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Mekstizzle
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Really though it's good that people aren't gonna lose their job just because they're gay

Ok go back to rainbow cannons and stylish aircraft carriers and such now
11 Bravo
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ok this thread has gone stupid but....

i find this a weird civil rights issue.  i mean they were not barred from being in the military...you just couldnt say you were gay.  well what if you are a nazi skinhead?  they wont let you in or will kick you out if they find out.
Little BaBy JESUS
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11 Bravo wrote:

ok this thread has gone stupid but....

i find this a weird civil rights issue.  i mean they were not barred from being in the military...you just couldnt say you were gay.  well what if you are a nazi skinhead?  they wont let you in or will kick you out if they find out.
This is assuming that being homosexual is a choice, its a choice to be a nazi skinhead.
11 Bravo
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is it a choice?  why is one a choice and the other is not?
AussieReaper
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11 Bravo wrote:

is it a choice?  why is one a choice and the other is not?
why did you choose to be straight?
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Little BaBy JESUS
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Well I personally don't think that I know enough to argue this point. However some would say that is genetic, environmental or a combination of the two. But as I said, I don't really know enough.
11 Bravo
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AussieReaper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

is it a choice?  why is one a choice and the other is not?
why did you choose to be straight?
cuz i dont like butt stuff
AussieReaper
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11 Bravo wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

is it a choice?  why is one a choice and the other is not?
why did you choose to be straight?
cuz i dont like butt stuff
Point proven. You made a choice based on your "i dont like butt stuff" mentality.
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11 Bravo
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more of a visual and smell thing tbh
Mekstizzle
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11 Bravo wrote:

ok this thread has gone stupid but....

i find this a weird civil rights issue.  i mean they were not barred from being in the military...you just couldnt say you were gay.  well what if you are a nazi skinhead?  they wont let you in or will kick you out if they find out.
So you're saying being gay is as bad as a nazi skinhead and should be group in that same general category? Really?
11 Bravo
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what if both are not a choice?  isnt allowing one group and not another......................

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