Columbia University professor charged with incest

2010-12-15 14:13:11

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5587

David Epstein, 46, a political science professor at the Ivy League school, faces one count of incest in the third degree, according to a complaint filed by the Manhattan District Attorney's office.

He had relations with his daughter, now 24, from 2006 through 2009, the complaint said. Epstein was released on his own recognizance after appearing before a judge on Thursday.
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If convicted, Epstein faces up to four years behind bars.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B94RN20101210

Epstein was charged last week with one-count of third-degree incest for what was allegedly a consensual three-year sexual relationship with his 24-year-old daughter.

Galluzzo the lawyer wrote:
"Academically, we are obviously all morally opposed to incest and rightfully so," Galluzzo said. "At the same time, there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms."

"It's OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home," he said. "How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not."

Galluzzo also said that even though Epstein's daughter had emerged as a victim in the case, she could "be best described as an accomplice."

Galluzzo continued: "If we assume for a moment that both parties [involved in incest] are consenting, then why are we prosecuting this?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/1 … 97138.html

Reading the comments on HP, it seems like incest is inexcusable even if between two adults. But the lawyers logic is sound.

If homosexual relationships between two adults was considered an inexcusable thing a few years ago and is now considered a perfectly acceptable choice by most, how is regarding an incestuous relationship between two consenting adults as wrong not just another irrational cultural hangup?

I hope he manages to get off somehow. If they both consent, it's fine by me.

2010-12-15 14:26:59

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6651

Switzerland is considering making it legal because they feel it's a moral issue not a legal one. I can see the logic in that.

2010-12-15 14:31:12

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Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6740|Toronto | Canada

Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101

2010-12-15 14:31:42

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5703|College Park, MD

hope she was hot

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2010-12-15 14:33:39

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

If both people are legal adults, yeah... I don't see the problem.

I mean, I would never do something like that, but whatever floats your boat.

2010-12-15 14:43:02

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Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6001|...

I'm with winston on this.

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2010-12-15 14:44:43

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Sturgeon: Member; +488|4943|Flintshire

If they're not reproducing, why is it illegal when homosexual relationships aren't etc?

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2010-12-15 14:47:16

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Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6001|...

I doubt incest is a completely harmless relationship inbetween parent/kid. It's not like such relationships only start when they're both adults.

Still disturbing then.

inane little opines

2010-12-15 14:47:43

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krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|6781|Great Brown North

Sturgeon wrote:
If they're not reproducing, why is it illegal when homosexual relationships aren't etc?

they CAN'T reproduce

2010-12-15 14:50:46

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Sturgeon: Member; +488|4943|Flintshire

krazed wrote:
Sturgeon wrote:
If they're not reproducing, why is it illegal when homosexual relationships aren't etc?
they CAN'T reproduce

No shit two men can't have a baby with each other. What I'm saying is, why is an incestuous relationship that doesn't reproduce illegal when homosexual relationships aren't?

2010-12-15 14:54:33

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6651

Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101

Actually I don't think the numbers are anywhere near as bad as everyone makes out. Certainly not with cousins, not sure about parent/child, which lets be honest is far more fucked up.

But in any case, as long as they don't have kids what's the problem?

2010-12-15 15:18:55

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Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6001|...

how can you guarantee that

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2010-12-15 15:22:32

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5703|College Park, MD

dayarath wrote:
how can you guarantee that

you also can't guarantee that two people with an inheritable disease won't procreate but we don't outlaw that do we?

2010-12-15 16:21:46

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

dayarath wrote:
how can you guarantee that

Subsidize abortion.... although some people would kill me for saying that.

2010-12-15 16:27:29

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Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6356

Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101

If they make it legal here the Democrats will have a lock on both houses in a few years. Scary stuff.

2010-12-15 16:37:18

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nukchebi0: Пушкин, наше всё; +387|6325|New Haven, CT

ghettoperson wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101
Actually I don't think the numbers are anywhere near as bad as everyone makes out. Certainly not with cousins, not sure about parent/child, which lets be honest is far more fucked up.

But in any case, as long as they don't have kids what's the problem?

All the European royals had hemophilia because of the closeness of their bloodlines.

2010-12-15 16:48:59

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6651

nukchebi0 wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101
Actually I don't think the numbers are anywhere near as bad as everyone makes out. Certainly not with cousins, not sure about parent/child, which lets be honest is far more fucked up.

But in any case, as long as they don't have kids what's the problem?
All the European royals had hemophilia because of the closeness of their bloodlines.

I was under the impression that's because the same families were breeding with each other for hundreds of years. Long term it's an issue, if you fucked your sister, the chance of the kid having a genetic defect is tiny.

2010-12-15 16:49:10

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presidentsheep: Back to the Fuhrer; +208|5963|Places 'n such

nukchebi0 wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101
Actually I don't think the numbers are anywhere near as bad as everyone makes out. Certainly not with cousins, not sure about parent/child, which lets be honest is far more fucked up.

But in any case, as long as they don't have kids what's the problem?
All the European royals had hemophilia because of the closeness of their bloodlines.

That was a result of severe inbreeding though, not just two people.
Not that i agree with whats happening but its two consenting adults in private. I dont really care what theyre up to

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2010-12-16 06:53:34

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101
If they make it legal here the Democrats will have a lock on both houses in a few years. Scary stuff.

I don't know about that. The Deep South is best known for its incest, and most of the participants are redneck conservatives.

2010-12-16 07:16:36

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Stubbee: Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts; +223|6745|Reality

Winston_Churchill wrote:
Incest is illegal not just due to moral reasons. Its proven that incest brings about recessive mutations in the genotype of pretty well all organisms, basically causing severe problems or death in offspring.

Biology 101

Not talking about procreation here, talking about sexual activity. Oranges and apples. The lawyer does have a point. Consenting adults and all that. But how does he plan to reconcile the psychological power a parent has over a son/daughter? It might be 'consensual' as opposed to consensual if you get what I mean. Like an employee/boss relationship i.e sexual harassment.

You are correct about the genetic problems of the offspring of an incestuous relationship.

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2010-12-16 07:17:18

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DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6683|Disaster Free Zone

Why isn't the daughter getting charged as well?

Not that either should...

2010-12-16 07:17:57

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

DrunkFace wrote:
Why isn't the daughter getting charged as well?

Not that either should...

No kidding. It's the sort of sexism you never hear feminists talk about.

2010-12-16 07:19:50

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EVieira: Member; +105|6480|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Its immoral and unatural for a father to have a relationship with his own daugther. Just as poligamy is illegal too.

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2010-12-16 07:22:04

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

EVieira wrote:
Its immoral and unatural for a father to have a relationship with his own daugther. Just as poligamy is illegal too.

I'm not a fan of polygamy or Mormonism, but in all seriousness, if more than 2 adults want to marry, who am I to stop them?

Now, don't get me wrong, we'd definitely need to revise tax laws to deal with this sort of thing, but other than that, it's not really the business of the state.

2010-12-16 07:23:55

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5360|London, England

Turquoise wrote:
EVieira wrote:
Its immoral and unatural for a father to have a relationship with his own daugther. Just as poligamy is illegal too.
I'm not a fan of polygamy or Mormonism, but in all seriousness, if more than 2 adults want to marry, who am I to stop them?

Now, don't get me wrong, we'd definitely need to revise tax laws to deal with this sort of thing, but other than that, it's not really the business of the state.

It's not... but it's also just plain wrong. Whatever. To each his/her own.

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