Yea, but now we're monday morning quarterbacking it.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I'm not blaming him. I'm just making an observation.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea, but now we're monday morning quarterbacking it.
Oh, I know. He did mention that with all the board members sitting up he at the time didn't have a shot. Kinda went out the window when the guy started firing.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
trueDBBrinson1 wrote:
Oh, I know. He did mention that with all the board members sitting up he at the time didn't have a shot. Kinda went out the window when the guy started firing.
What I gathered was the guard fired after the gunman fired and the coucilmen hit the floor, taking cover behind the desk. It would have been one thing if the gaurd had just fired, but he didn't. It looks like he had to react when he did. Im not sure as to the layout of the building, but I think the guard was trying to coax him out that door for a reason.Turquoise wrote:
The thing that surprises me most about that situation is that the guard fired at the gunman from an angle where the council members were in the background. You would think he would've tried one of the side doors so that the angle of fire had less of a chance of hitting bystanders.Kmar wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyakMbVIosHis wife said he did, that he was an excellent marksman. Of course she may have wanted to believe he missed on purpose.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say he missed on purpose. You can't fire that many shots and miss from that distance unless you do it on purpose. He just wanted to die.
..and by the way the way the gunman went after the second councilman once he was hit, it's hard for me to believe that he wasn't trying to take someone elses life to.
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Saw an interview with the guard this morning. The shooter noticed the guard, but wasn't sure if he was armed. The guard didn't have a clean shot as the 'board' was behind his target. At one point the guard went to his car to retrieve body armor and a larger firearm. He was waiting for a clean shot when the shooter started firing. At that point he figured he didn't have a choice and engaged the shooter.
The interview is on the previous page.
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Did anyone notice how the guy went 1 handed shot?... Unless you're Dilbert, it is a bit harder to achieve rather than say posting up an firing from the weaver stance.. I think the guy was a bit doped up. He was too calm. He also Ad'ed into the floor. The Officer used a .40 in the confrontation hitting that psycho "at least 3 times"... He didn't hit critical areas but the guy did go down. However, he still was able to fire after going down. I'm probably going to go back to a bigger carry caliber. I'm currently carry a seecamp .32 (everywhere), but will now probably pick up a subcompact single stack glock chambered .45 or a .45 GAP.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Shot placement is critical. The guard hit him in the leg on the fist hit. The guy kept limping around. It took several more shots to bring him down. Even then, the guy was a threat.
The guy was not a good marksman with a pistol. He did not aim properly, and discharged into the floor. The board was extremely lucky.
The guy was not a good marksman with a pistol. He did not aim properly, and discharged into the floor. The board was extremely lucky.
I think the desk was the real victim here.
this one
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
This was a county away from me. Purse lady is bitch. System is a scam. lol V for Vendetta.
Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
not to sound like a dickhead but what was that lady trying to do sneak up on him and choke his ass she lucky he didnt kill her... I know she was going for the gun... but she should have ran... wtf trying to be a hero lolJestar wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/14/florida.meeting.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1
Theres a video too.
[e: also, MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40674270/ns … and_courts
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Yeah, her plan was idiotic. She tried to knock the gun out of his hand by swiping it with a purse. First, the ergonomics of that set her up for complete failure. Second, her follow up was pathetic. Third, what was the next part of her plan???...
If you are going to make a play, you need to have a good plan and the right stuff to make it work. She had an incomplete plan that had a low chance of success. If she had taken a minute to find a solid object and a few seconds to figure out beating him over the head was a better plan, things might have gone better.
If you are going to make a play, you need to have a good plan and the right stuff to make it work. She had an incomplete plan that had a low chance of success. If she had taken a minute to find a solid object and a few seconds to figure out beating him over the head was a better plan, things might have gone better.
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I think that the guard fired into the guy's leg to minimize the chances of hitting the board members with overpenetration. His strategy worked, the gunman fell to the ground where we was subsequently shot again. (well then again the board members ducked for cover as well, so I guess you could say that was a bad strategy)RAIMIUS wrote:
Shot placement is critical. The guard hit him in the leg on the fist hit. The guy kept limping around. It took several more shots to bring him down. Even then, the guy was a threat.
The guy was not a good marksman with a pistol. He did not aim properly, and discharged into the floor. The board was extremely lucky.
Guard should of just disabled him as soon as he saw the gun.
Would have been more interesting if the lady was packing and she took him down. Oh well, good work by the security guard.
ROFL, have you every experienced what stress does to shooting ability? That is one of the reasons people are usually taught to aim for center of mass--aim at the biggest thing so you have the largest margin of error. You don't take leg shots unless you have a dang good reason and are VERY well trained.Trotskygrad wrote:
I think that the guard fired into the guy's leg to minimize the chances of hitting the board members with overpenetration. His strategy worked, the gunman fell to the ground where we was subsequently shot again. (well then again the board members ducked for cover as well, so I guess you could say that was a bad strategy)RAIMIUS wrote:
Shot placement is critical. The guard hit him in the leg on the fist hit. The guy kept limping around. It took several more shots to bring him down. Even then, the guy was a threat.
The guy was not a good marksman with a pistol. He did not aim properly, and discharged into the floor. The board was extremely lucky.
What the guard did worked, so it ended OK. His shooting wasn't great, but it was effective.
#1 rule of shooting at bad guys with innocent people around: make your hits.
I guess, I've never been in an actual stressful situation involving live targets and actual people so I would not be able to say...RAIMIUS wrote:
ROFL, have you every experienced what stress does to shooting ability? That is one of the reasons people are usually taught to aim for center of mass--aim at the biggest thing so you have the largest margin of error. You don't take leg shots unless you have a dang good reason and are VERY well trained.Trotskygrad wrote:
I think that the guard fired into the guy's leg to minimize the chances of hitting the board members with overpenetration. His strategy worked, the gunman fell to the ground where we was subsequently shot again. (well then again the board members ducked for cover as well, so I guess you could say that was a bad strategy)RAIMIUS wrote:
Shot placement is critical. The guard hit him in the leg on the fist hit. The guy kept limping around. It took several more shots to bring him down. Even then, the guy was a threat.
The guy was not a good marksman with a pistol. He did not aim properly, and discharged into the floor. The board was extremely lucky.
What the guard did worked, so it ended OK. His shooting wasn't great, but it was effective.
#1 rule of shooting at bad guys with innocent people around: make your hits.
yeah, I guess it worked then.
Wow, I would be surprised if the shooter didn't piss his pants. Just goes to show how soul-less some of these murders are that kill people without looking back. This guy obviously knew he was doing something wrong and was freaking out, definately not a cold blooded killer and he had enough pride to at least kill himself. Kudos to to security cop and the Lady who had a pair.
To the people making fun of the shooting, well people get nervous and excited when they are (trying) to kill people, especially innocent people begging for their lives. I am sure the Guard ran to the room and pulled off a quick shot so go figure.
To the people making fun of the shooting, well people get nervous and excited when they are (trying) to kill people, especially innocent people begging for their lives. I am sure the Guard ran to the room and pulled off a quick shot so go figure.
Meeting
Adjourned
Adjourned
Even low amounts of stress can put people off. Take some intermediate shooters and put them on the clock. Their shooting will go to crap until they realize their priorities are 1. Making hits 2. Time.Trotskygrad wrote:
I guess, I've never been in an actual stressful situation involving live targets and actual people so I would not be able to say...RAIMIUS wrote:
ROFL, have you every experienced what stress does to shooting ability? That is one of the reasons people are usually taught to aim for center of mass--aim at the biggest thing so you have the largest margin of error. You don't take leg shots unless you have a dang good reason and are VERY well trained.Trotskygrad wrote:
I think that the guard fired into the guy's leg to minimize the chances of hitting the board members with overpenetration. His strategy worked, the gunman fell to the ground where we was subsequently shot again. (well then again the board members ducked for cover as well, so I guess you could say that was a bad strategy)
What the guard did worked, so it ended OK. His shooting wasn't great, but it was effective.
#1 rule of shooting at bad guys with innocent people around: make your hits.
yeah, I guess it worked then.
(For clarification: I have never had real bullets shot at me. I've only done competitions and training events.)