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Turquoise wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I <3 my Representative

Peter King can be a dick and extremely conservative, but stuff like this is why I just can't hate him. Would rather have him over Bishop any day of the week.

Well, it looks like Altschuler may defeat Bishop.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm all about free speech, but not when it comes at the expense of human lives. The information he has posted has undoubtedly already led to deaths in Afghanistan. Whether it's Afghan tribesmen or coalition soldiers, he has blood on his hands. Assange is a murderer, not a hero.

That's abit dramatic, at the end of the day it's a war going on. So the people responsible for the deaths are the guys who initiated it in the first place. People can be blamed for making things worse indirectly, but it's not much in the scope of the entire conflict itself.

No, it's not dramatic at all. He might as well be working for the Taliban and Al Quaeda and should be treated as at the very least an enemy combatant at this point.

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dayarath wrote:

Uzique wrote:

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have you missed the last few decades of internet history?

There has never been this much attention to an internet-based company.

Wreckognize wrote:

I like how everyone here is portraying Assange like some super villain bent on bringing down the US.  Wikileaks releases what is leaked to them.  They don't control what leaks they get or where they come from.  The United States will naturally attract the most leaks because we are the biggest player on the world stage.  I respect what Assange is trying to do; corporations and governments will never be voluntarily transparent.  Speaking of corporations, the next leak is apparently related to a major bank.

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JohnG@lt wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, it looks like Altschuler may defeat Bishop.

I'm registered in NY-8, not NY-1.

My district is basically TOBAY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ngress.png

The representative for where I live now is Anthony Weiner though Never changed my residency for voting.

Wreckognize wrote:

Wrong, try again.  Why so bitter old man?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

One could argue that the bosses in charge are the ones putting our countrymen in danger; Wikileaks is just exposing it.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

One could argue that the bosses in charge are the ones putting our countrymen in danger; Wikileaks is just exposing it.

I thought Afghanistan was 'the good war'. When did that change?

Huh?  Barking up the wrong tree methinks. 

I'd love to hear what you have me pegged as though.  Do tell.

JohnG@lt wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

One could argue that the bosses in charge are the ones putting our countrymen in danger; Wikileaks is just exposing it.

I thought Afghanistan was 'the good war'. When did that change?

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The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon women. The situation is getting so bad that one person in an editorial of the times compared the treatment of women there to the treatment of Jews in pre-Holocaust Poland.

Since the Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to DEATH by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative.

Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators, doctors, lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and stuffed into their homes, so that depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. There is no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the suicide rate among women, who cannot find proper medication and treatment for severe depression and would rather take their lives than live in such conditions, has increased significantly.

Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging on the street, even if they hold Ph.D.'s. There are almost no medical facilities available for women, and relief workers, in protest, have mostly left the country, taking medicine and psychologists and other things necessary to treat the skyrocketing level of depression among women. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear.

It is at the point where the term 'human rights violations' has become an understatement. Husbands have the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way. David Cornwell has told me that we in the United States should not judge the Afghan people for such treatment because it is a 'cultural thing', but this is not even true. Women enjoyed relative freedom, to work, dress generally as they wanted, and drive and appear in public alone until only 1996 — the rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the depression and suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as sub-human in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or 'culture', but is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures where fundamentalism is the rule. Besides, if we could excuse everything on cultural grounds, then we should not be appalled that the Carthaginians sacrificed their infant children, that little girls are circumcised in parts of Africa, that blacks in the deep south in the 1930s were lynched, prohibited from voting and forced to submit to unjust Jim Crow laws.

Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are women in a Muslim country in a part of the world that Americans do not understand.

If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, Americans can certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murder and injustice committed against women by the Taliban.

JohnG@lt wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I thought Afghanistan was 'the good war'. When did that change?

Huh?  Barking up the wrong tree methinks. 

I'd love to hear what you have me pegged as though.  Do tell.

Well, you seem to have taken the anti war stance with 'bosses in charge are etc'.