Well, by now... no. This next batch contains so much info they might aswell blow up wikileaks before they start releasing top secret documents.Shahter wrote:
really? more so than stuff that followed?
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That's abit dramatic, at the end of the day it's a war going on. So the people responsible for the deaths are the guys who initiated it in the first place. People can be blamed for making things worse indirectly, but it's not much in the scope of the entire conflict itself.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm all about free speech, but not when it comes at the expense of human lives. The information he has posted has undoubtedly already led to deaths in Afghanistan. Whether it's Afghan tribesmen or coalition soldiers, he has blood on his hands. Assange is a murderer, not a hero.ghettoperson wrote:
I thought I was on my own here. I'm all in favour of rooting out corruption, but this doesn't seem to be doing that at all, it's just exposing anything with secret written on it. At least the video of the Apaches blowing up some journalists you could sort of justify it as a moral reason. Their analysis of the video was completely wrong, but still. I was getting pissed off with all the hero worship that's going on on Reddit and other websites for this guy.JohnG@lt wrote:
He's aiding and abetting terrorists by posting information they can use in the war against us while also trying to undermine our ability on the world stage. Assange is a fucking moron and I hope he meets an assassins bullet tbh.
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.dayarath wrote:
Well, by now... no. This next batch contains so much info they might aswell blow up wikileaks before they start releasing top secret documents.Shahter wrote:
really? more so than stuff that followed?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
No, it's not dramatic at all. He might as well be working for the Taliban and Al Quaeda and should be treated as at the very least an enemy combatant at this point.Mekstizzle wrote:
That's abit dramatic, at the end of the day it's a war going on. So the people responsible for the deaths are the guys who initiated it in the first place. People can be blamed for making things worse indirectly, but it's not much in the scope of the entire conflict itself.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm all about free speech, but not when it comes at the expense of human lives. The information he has posted has undoubtedly already led to deaths in Afghanistan. Whether it's Afghan tribesmen or coalition soldiers, he has blood on his hands. Assange is a murderer, not a hero.ghettoperson wrote:
I thought I was on my own here. I'm all in favour of rooting out corruption, but this doesn't seem to be doing that at all, it's just exposing anything with secret written on it. At least the video of the Apaches blowing up some journalists you could sort of justify it as a moral reason. Their analysis of the video was completely wrong, but still. I was getting pissed off with all the hero worship that's going on on Reddit and other websites for this guy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.Shahter wrote:
when people make idiotic claims like those above about a coupla small timers pulling all that shit off? - yes.Spark wrote:
Is this your default argument?
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.dayarath wrote:
Well, by now... no. This next batch contains so much info they might aswell blow up wikileaks before they start releasing top secret documents.Shahter wrote:
really? more so than stuff that followed?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
... and all they do is bitch and moan.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.dayarath wrote:
Well, by now... no. This next batch contains so much info they might aswell blow up wikileaks before they start releasing top secret documents.
/sigh
you are hopeless, people. i'm outa here.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
"Screw you guys, I'm goin' home."Shahter wrote:
i'm outa here.
Regardless of freedom of speech Assange is merely tarnishing the US when it is attempting to reintegrate with other countries and settle differences and is putting people's lives and diplomatic relations at risk so he can look like a righteous crusader. Ironic how he says America should be held to account for its actions when his activities only cause damage and distrust.
Shahter rather than sighing or facepalming and rolling your eyes at how brainwashed by propaganda we are provide some valid motives other than the ones we've already established as probable and logical.Shahter wrote:
... and all they do is bitch and moan.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.
/sigh
you are hopeless, people. i'm outa here.
I'm open minded but I'm not about to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon and blames jews/us government/terrorists/illuminati/other government for this.
Here's a wild theory, occasional "small timers" and low ranks get this kind of intelligence and this guy happened to decide to leak it...
Pretty much. That one leak that didn't edit out the names of some of our allies got several Afghani leaders killed.M.O.A.B wrote:
Regardless of freedom of speech Assange is merely tarnishing the US when it is attempting to reintegrate with other countries and settle differences and is putting people's lives and diplomatic relations at risk so he can look like a righteous crusader. Ironic how he says America should be held to account for its actions when his activities only cause damage and distrust.
The guy's a total prick.
still pretty sad that an 18-20 year old could say that to a bunch of supposed wise, well-read, learned old men though... ehTurquoise wrote:
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.Shahter wrote:
when people make idiotic claims like those above about a coupla small timers pulling all that shit off? - yes.Spark wrote:
Is this your default argument?
jesus christ you guys must have been resting on your laurels for the last few decades
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I'll say this slowly for you...Uzique wrote:
still pretty sad that an 18-20 year old could say that to a bunch of supposed wise, well-read, learned old men though... ehTurquoise wrote:
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.Shahter wrote:
when people make idiotic claims like those above about a coupla small timers pulling all that shit off? - yes.
jesus christ you guys must have been resting on your laurels for the last few decades
No. One. On. This. Site. Likes. You.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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aww but the social company is the sole reason i keep coming back!
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Ego does not equal wisdom. Shahter will sometimes bring up good points, but he unfortunately has a tendency to let his arrogance blind him.Uzique wrote:
still pretty sad that an 18-20 year old could say that to a bunch of supposed wise, well-read, learned old men though... ehTurquoise wrote:
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.Shahter wrote:
when people make idiotic claims like those above about a coupla small timers pulling all that shit off? - yes.
jesus christ you guys must have been resting on your laurels for the last few decades
speak for yourself. i like zeek. he's responsible for me learning more english words than the rest here combined.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'll say this slowly for you...Uzique wrote:
still pretty sad that an 18-20 year old could say that to a bunch of supposed wise, well-read, learned old men though... ehTurquoise wrote:
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.
jesus christ you guys must have been resting on your laurels for the last few decades
No. One. On. This. Site. Likes. You.
edit: there goes another word...
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.dayarath wrote:
Well, by now... no. This next batch contains so much info they might aswell blow up wikileaks before they start releasing top secret documents.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.
the thing is though that you think by having more years on us, and by flitting between political ideologies like an amsterdam hooker changes underwear, that you're somehow accruing more 'knowledge' and more 'wisdom'. that's surely just your ego slowly inflating through a process of intellectual posturing, half-assed research and toying with new ideas? how do you qualify your 'wisdom'? just because you've turncoated a bunch of times and have revised your opinions on a few matters? that's not wisdom - you could just as easily say that it's simply being indecisive. perhaps even lazy and ill-informed, for some people.Turquoise wrote:
Ego does not equal wisdom. Shahter will sometimes bring up good points, but he unfortunately has a tendency to let his arrogance blind him.Uzique wrote:
still pretty sad that an 18-20 year old could say that to a bunch of supposed wise, well-read, learned old men though... ehTurquoise wrote:
Shahter -- the whole "I'm smarter than you" schtick is getting old. It got old with Uzique as well.
jesus christ you guys must have been resting on your laurels for the last few decades
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Guess what? That's how politics works. That's how life works. I'm sure your friends have occasionally said things about you behind your back that you wouldn't want said to your face.Ticia wrote:
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.
Not really. Perspective is what is needed. Assange clearly has a grudge against America. If he focused his energy more evenly between the various regimes of the world that could be construed as oppressive, then he'd be a true whistleblower.Ticia wrote:
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.Shahter wrote:
but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.
As things currently stand though, he's just aiming for the biggest target. He also is aiming for a target that is less willing to just kill him outright.
You can be sure that if he exposed more about say... the Chinese government, he would be dead by now.
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Haha, my friend just likened Julian Assange to the worlds first Super Villain non-state actor. Like the Cobra Commander.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Precisely.ghettoperson wrote:
Guess what? That's how politics works. That's how life works. I'm sure your friends have occasionally said things about you behind your back that you wouldn't want said to your face.Ticia wrote:
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Guess what? My friends are not dangerous greedy liars.ghettoperson wrote:
Guess what? That's how politics works. That's how life works. I'm sure your friends have occasionally said things about you behind your back that you wouldn't want said to your face.Ticia wrote:
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.JohnG@lt wrote:
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.
I don't know what the US government is thinking but they're probably either unable to do anything to wikileaks as of yet or they're afraid of what the public and media will say as soon as they take down wikileaks.Shahter wrote:
... and all they do is bitch and moan.
/sigh
you are hopeless, people. i'm outa here.
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