KEN-JENNINGS
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I know this is a very simplistic answer, but just stay off social media.

As someone who has never been on fb, insta, TikTok, etc, it's crazy to see the general "terminally online" dynamic move from teenage 4chan edgelords to working professionals who reflexively scroll insta and TikTok. I guess it makes sense as that generation was the first to be fully immersed in the online world, but i will never understand the value and satisfaction people get from being on social media. And it's interesting to interact with those people in the real world and see how far their brain has been rotted. "Doing it for the lulz" was annoying, but generally harmless. Getting health and dating advice from an influencer on TikTok is not.

I know social media is the latest form of mass communication, and its just replacing pamphlets or radio or TV in it's ability to disseminate propaganda, but the disinformation beam seems much more laser-focused, hyper-accelerated, and with significantly more negative consequences to society.
unnamednewbie13
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i've seen a lot of whining about wfh coming from the white-collar side of things. some low level people genuinely missed water cooler talk as far as i can tell, and some of the management middlemen are concerned about their positions' sustainability. a lot of anti-wfh being churned out can probably be traced back to people with a lot to lose if big, expensive office buildings become passé.

the greasy blue-collar people, who are already outspoken against the office people, will express disdain for them regardless of whether they work at home with their cat or in an office building.

the grimy hand thing is basically memes. any given hardware or auto parts store will offer a selection of specialized hand cleaners and skin lotions and ppe. your hands can be soft like baby even if you work with them. coming home with filthy hands is an unhygienic affectation. keeping your nails in good order is more masculine than not.
uziq
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i honestly pity anyone who claims they want to go back to the office for the sake of their social life. that's what hobbies and interests are for. 95% of your work friends aren't really your friends, and will step on your head the first chance they get to clamber over you for a promotion or to curry favour. and, what, gossip about sports or the latest tv show is that important to your emotional wellbeing? fucking NPCs, man.

i understand the importance of networking and of cultivating team dynamics and maintaining a company ethos/vibe, or whatever. all that stuff can be achieved with purposive get-togethers, company days out, big calendar events, etc. but for day-to-day stuff, i swear to god you do not need to spend 2-3 hours a day chatting to people at the coffee machine or gossiping across desks. commuting for 2.5 hours a day to attend meetings in person rather than via a video-call is really not boosting your productivity. it gives the illusion of busyness.

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unnamednewbie13
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i have a friend online who works at amazon under one of the most dystopian surveillance iterations of this stereotypical sort of "officey" atmosphere i've ever had described to me. otherwise, supposedly all the cliquey trappings and a weird social ladder rather like Saw, but also you wear a vest and push boxes.

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uziq
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there's a weird '12 principles' thing in amazon's corporate culture, set by jeff bezos. it reads like cringey TEDtalk shite.

i have to bite my tongue as one of my good british friends in tokyo is a senior data manager in their amazon office there. he has drank the kool-aid.
SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

there's a weird '12 principles' thing in amazon's corporate culture, set by jeff bezos. it reads like cringey TEDtalk shite.

i have to bite my tongue as one of my good british friends in tokyo is a senior data manager in their amazon office there. he has drank the kool-aid.
Remember the dummies who called themselves "Googlers." A lot of articles like "I was a 25 year Googler before I got laid off."
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

i honestly pity anyone who claims they want to go back to the office for the sake of their social life. that's what hobbies and interests are for. 95% of your work friends aren't really your friends, and will step on your head the first chance they get to clamber over you for a promotion or to curry favour. and, what, gossip about sports or the latest tv show is that important to your emotional wellbeing? fucking NPCs, man.
What if I told you - there are some people who aren't exactly like you?

There's a proportion who are naturally social, outgoing etc and find it easy. These people think they're the majority when in fact they aren't, still they sneer at and ridicule everyone else.

There's a proportion who find it hard work but still manage it.

There's a proportion who find it hard work and fail, or find themselves shunned for whatever reason no fault of their own.
A different background, minor mental affliction, depression or anxiety is unattractive and becomes a vicious death spiral quite quickly.

There's a proportion who got burned enough times they stopped trying.

And then there are the people who don't crave loud noisy groups and are a lot happier by themselves.

But yeah, everyone should be more outgoing, and could be if they just put in a teeny bit of effort.

i understand the importance of networking and of cultivating team dynamics and maintaining a company ethos/vibe, or whatever. all that stuff can be achieved with purposive get-togethers, company days out, big calendar events, etc. but for day-to-day stuff, i swear to god you do not need to spend 2-3 hours a day chatting to people at the coffee machine or gossiping across desks. commuting for 2.5 hours a day to attend meetings in person rather than via a video-call is really not boosting your productivity. it gives the illusion of busyness.
Companies could work a lot better if they accepted that most of the people don't actually want to be there.
Honesty is the new thing now.
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uziq
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what are you even disagreeing with me over? i’m in support of flexible working, dipshit. it’s mandatory return to office orders that i think are spurious.

a bunch of large UK companies mandated them, following moronically the example of their american corporate betters. turns out productivity in the UK has been in free fall during the last few quarters. clearly the great push to return to offices isn’t having some miraculous effect.

i work for a non-profit. my working conditions are superb. none of my above posts even concern my own working arrangements. i’m not posting and complaining out of my own personal experience.

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