uziq
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insurgency wasn't a good game. it had a nice niche during the era of 'modern shooters', though, the whole realism sim thing. but red orchestra did it better, way back when.

anyone remember america's army? pretty sure that was the fons et origo of the genre. i actually played that quite a lot.

nothing speaks for the zeitgeist of the bush era like everyone playing a game devised as US army propaganda.
SuperJail Warden
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Insurgency is the closest game to Battlefield 2 I have ever played. It lacks a lot of features modern shooters have forced into their games. For instance there is no kill cam, no unlockables at all, no ranking system or stats to track, no HUD or minimap. If you die, you stay dead for however long it takes for you to respawn.
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uziq
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erm, the main attraction for a great many people of bf2 was ranks/stats. we are on a bf2 stats website.

having a 'persistent' account to track outside of individual servers/discrete gaming sessions was a huge bonus, back then.

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SuperJail Warden
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Persistent stat tracking was a mistake. It encouraged people to play for their stats and not play to win.
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uziq
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the win:loss ratio was a pretty coveted stat.
SuperJail Warden
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Bullshit. People were all about that KDR, points, rank, medals.
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uziq
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in the inf-only scene people cared a lot about W:L ratio.

stats are better, anyway. i miss them. even having played games like TF2, where the whole point was to work together to win, i thought stats would have been nice.

the game has to properly incentivise people to win and then it's fine. it's no different from players in games not pursuing the fucking objectives and just death matching endlessly, whilst 2-3 players per server try to actually fulfil the win conditions. bad game design is bad game design, stats or not.
Dilbert_X
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On topic: This thing is going to be bad but I think it'll be done in 3-6 months, maybe 12, so nows the time to pick up a few quality stocks at depressed prices.
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DesertFox-
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I honestly really didn't care for BF2. The stats were and medals were the most interesting part.
unnamednewbie13
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To me, 1942 > 2 ~ Vietnam > 2142 > all the others I bothered with. What puts Vietnam up next to 2 in my opinion was the mobile base dynamic. It was fun making sneaky spawn points that don't depend on a squad leader being alive. 1942 had carriers, destroyers, subs and an engaging teamwork artillery dynamic. Not exactly simulator class, but still enjoyable. 2 had the stats everyone cared so much about. Got through my entire time without "winning" a single purple heart!
Dilbert_X
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I have an old copy of Vietnam, will it install on my XP box and work in SP mode?
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uziq
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the latest call of duty battle royale game, whilst i'm sure has a toxic as fuck and lame community, and is full of pay-2-win nonsense, looks and seems to play a lot like BF2.

big open map, squad play, reviving, helicopters, etc.
Dilbert_X
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Do you mean Warzone?
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unnamednewbie13
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I have an old copy of Vietnam, will it install on my XP box and work in SP mode?
In single player mode? Would be garbage for anything longer than 15 minutes. XP is listed via systemrequirementslab.com in supported OSs
SuperJail Warden
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Socialist have always said that it is the workers who produce the things we need to live while the capitalist leech off of the proletariat's labor.

If this crisis isn't a perfect demonstration of that I don't know what can be one. It's upper income people who are taking supplies and barricading themselves while the working class goes out and keeps the world running.
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uziq
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the labour theory of value is very outdated even in marxist circles, let alone contemporary economics. that theory of value pertained to manufacturing economies, Fordism essentially. large worker bases and owners of the means of production who do relatively little except have the capital (or credit) for the assets.

the people keeping the world running as well as the shop workers are medical staff, emergency services, etc. not sure i could call ICU nurses and doctors ‘the working class’.

though i am in agreement that the big corporations we continually bail out, after they recklessly fuck up time and time again, and immediately let go of their staff the minute there’s any disruption or uncertainty, are nowhere near as fucking useful as we all make believe. we need the nurses and the shelf stackers and the schoolteachers in loco parentis more than we need these ‘essential’ hedge fund managers and stockbrokers.

we are realising that social value, moral and ethical value, is more important than fucking profit value. well, duh.

ironically one of the main groups classed as ‘unskilled’ labour in the UK govt’s brexit migration system are hospital carers and nurses. the NHS is critically understaffed and underfunded and the brexit ideologues wanted to get rid of 80% of our european staff. lol. ffs

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SuperJail Warden
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The U.S. has 22 or whatever trillion dollars debt and the world still buys our treasury bonds. I don't know why Trump doesn't just ask Congress to dump a billion dollars or two into making more medical equipment and giving it away to hospitals. I know it will happen once we have 4,000 dead like Italy. To make it worse the Trump admin will find ways to not only rip off the money for cronies but also discriminate against supplying blue states with equipment.
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SuperJail Warden
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The real class divide in America is between the people who have to buy toilet paper at a store and people who have Amazon prime.
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Dilbert_X
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The class divide is between people who will go bankrupt and lose their homes and people for whom this is a ripple which will allow them to buy stocks and properties at bargain prices.
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unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

The real class divide in America is between the people who have to buy toilet paper at a store and people who have Amazon prime.
Just checked out of curiosity. Chinese toilet paper rated 1/5 stars for whatever spooky reason with three week shipping (not prime-eligible), set up an alert for a western brand's ambiguous availability, or buy from a TP scalper at the bargain price of $40 per six-pack. Real class privilege. Definitely the source of all American social woes.

I can still buy the stuff locally, like I always do.
unnamednewbie13
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Americans really showing off financial swagger by flashing their loyalty cards at Fred Meyer. $0.15 off a soup can. Cheap bastards.
Dilbert_X
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Is this enough gun to go shopping for toilet paper.

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SuperJail Warden
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I am in favor of bank bailouts but no bailouts for almost any other industry. We just lowered taxes for corporations. They should have used the money more wisely. Any corporation that requires a bailout should instead be nationalized or allowed to fail. Cruise liners should be allowed to fail along with a lot of other service industry corporations. Service workers could instead be employed in new local manufacturing and construction. America doesn't need a dozen national cheeseburger chains. We need ventilators.
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SuperJail Warden
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There's a lot of "land Lords shouldn't exist" among the internet left right now. I don't completely agree with that line of reasoning. I would maybe argue that a lot of property management businesses need to be better controlled.
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SuperJail Warden
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I appreciate the fact that we are in a real genuine economic crisis and not a fake banking one. The Great Recession started when people couldn't pay the made up numbers banks sell houses for and the fake numbers on wall street then went down. This is different and actually real. People literally cannot engage in economically productive task. The potential consequences of this actually feel real and deserved in a way that in retrospect the Great Recession wasn't. Hopefully we get real long lasting economic changes instead of band aid fixes like we got in 2008.
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