BF2S Forums American Exceptionalism: Truth or Bullshit?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

We have a Hell of aways to go before we equal Europe in Historic humanitarian debacles and that is just counting the last half a century

You mean like the American native Indians?

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

We have a Hell of aways to go before we equal Europe in Historic humanitarian debacles and that is just counting the last half a century

You mean like the American native Indians?

Are you saying Europe didn't play the first hand in that Deck of cards ? or for that matter Europe didn't out doe the U.S.A. all together in its conflict with the native Indians ? Are you saying that the " natives " weren't 100 x worse in there atrocities against immigrants ?

Lets go all out here. Would you rather fall into the hands of an Islamic Terrorist ( were you prayed they didn't cut off your head ) or " native Indians " were you prayed and hoped that they would and the sooner the better ?

Nice try.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

You mean like the American native Indians?

Are you saying Europe didn't play the first hand in that Deck of cards ? or for that matter Europe didn't out doe the U.S.A. all together in its conflict with the native Indians ? Are you saying that the " natives " weren't 100 x worse in there atrocities against immigrants ?

Lets go all out here. Would you rather fall into the hands of an Islamic Terrorist ( were you prayed they didn't cut off your head ) or " native Indians " were you prayed and hoped that they would and the sooner the better ?

Nice try.

We were talking about europeans and native americans, how did islamic terrorists creep in there?

Thats another thing, whenever Americans did any historical wrong, eg to the Native Indians or the Mexicans, then suddenly their forefathers were evil europeans and not puritan pilgrims.

Either accept your history or stop saying america is sweetness and fluffy bunnies and you won't get called on it.

Uzique wrote:

the pious and brutal expansionism of early puritan settlers and their 'divine project' had NOTHING to do with the motivations or political wills of european imperialism. completely different ideologies from two complete different ends of the spectrum: the founding fathers (mostly) genuinely believed that the new continent was their land, given to them by god, and that the natives present were a bit of an inconvenience-- an entirely ignorable one. europeans on the other hand were expanding as part of commercial and militaristic progress. you didn't learn 'hypocrisy' from us... but you apparently found a weak scapegoat.

Dilbert_X wrote:

America doesn't 'reward' anything, it just leaves people to keep their winnings - not quite the same thing.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Uzique wrote:

the pious and brutal expansionism of early puritan settlers and their 'divine project' had NOTHING to do with the motivations or political wills of european imperialism. completely different ideologies from two complete different ends of the spectrum: the founding fathers (mostly) genuinely believed that the new continent was their land, given to them by god, and that the natives present were a bit of an inconvenience-- an entirely ignorable one. europeans on the other hand were expanding as part of commercial and militaristic progress. you didn't learn 'hypocrisy' from us... but you apparently found a weak scapegoat.

This is true. It also doesn't matter anymore. None of us alive gave smallpox ridden blankets to the natives. Nor did any of us enslave black people The history of my country prior to my birth is largely irrelevant (to me). Can't lay sins at my feet that I had nothing to do with

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Do try to forget the Europeans who raped and pillaged the natives, Dilbert. Focus on the facts that suit you. It's much easier that way.

OK, so Custer is European now?

Who mentioned Custer? He wasn't European, Dilbert.

Cortez et al most certainly were, however.

Do try to keep up.

Dilbert_X wrote:

We learned well from our forefathers on how to treat the natives. Then were told how barbaric we were for treating them that way.

Like I said, when it suits you your forefathers are pious and brave pilgrims fleeing evil european persecution, when it doesn't they're evil europeans who slaughtered the indians - nothing to do with americans.

Pretty sure nobody here thinks our forefathers treated the Native Americans with anything resembling kindness or fairness, Dilbert. Shows that people aren't monochromatic, as you would paint them.

[...] in his [US President James Monroe's] 1823 State of the Union address, the US opinion [was] that European powers should no longer colonise the Americas or interfere with the affairs of sovereign nations located in the Americas. In return, the US planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and in wars between a European power and its colonies.